Full Version: Another missing boy scout in Unita Mts
I've always been interested in missing people and the possibility that sasquatch could be responsible. There is currently a young boy scout missing in the Uinta Mountains and this comes a year after another boy scout in the same area turned up missing and was never found. When I dogpiled Uinta Mountains and bigfoot you can find a number of sightings in the area where the boys went missing. The pictures on MSN of the search area looks very rugged. A number of missing persons cases involving children occured when their parents were close by. It would be interesting to know if smells sounds or anything else was noticed by those nearby when he disappeared. Of course most people don't think that bigfoot might be the cause and so would not look for footprints or evidence of them in the trees. Sure wish some experienced researchers were involved in the search for the boy as they might be able to turn something up. Goldie
Any big cats in the area? That could also be the cause of the disappearance.
RayG
RayG
Goldie, I was thinking earlier of the same thing - scarey.
What would make you think it was a sasquatch? There's so many possibilities to what happened and so many that make much more sense than a bigfoot being responsible.
I too suspect missing persons could be attibuted to BFs...since so many reports of them interested in children...looking at children through their bedroom windows etc...maybe they took them to be a part of their family...
If this is true then there must be some hybridization of Humans/Bfs..and that might explain why some BFs are shorter...has different hair color...and more importantly why some witness say they see a gorilla like animal..and why some say they see a human face...just a thought...
Again I will say what I told my wife ther other day:
"the biggest shock of the century could be that if we eventually find out most of the missing persons were taken by Bigfoot!"
If this is true then there must be some hybridization of Humans/Bfs..and that might explain why some BFs are shorter...has different hair color...and more importantly why some witness say they see a gorilla like animal..and why some say they see a human face...just a thought...
Again I will say what I told my wife ther other day:
"the biggest shock of the century could be that if we eventually find out most of the missing persons were taken by Bigfoot!"
I'm following this missing boyscout story, and it is scary! I can't imagine what these parents are going through, and on Father's Day - oh my gosh!
I'm not ready to say that these boys are disappearing because of Bigfoot, but it is rather a strange story.
Another boy disappeared just 15 miles away. This recent boy was seen on a trail. He was supposed to be with a "buddy," but they must have gotten separated. Of course, there are plenty of other explanations, as people have said, ranging from cougars to predatory human beings, unfortunately.
I don't live in Utah, but my daughter just got back from a 4-H camp in the Tennessee mountains where she was a leader for a group of children. They roamed all over the woods and the lake, but no one got lost and absolutely nothing extraordinary happened. No one ever gets lost there, and these are young children who have never been to camp before.
I just don't see how these boy scouts are getting so lost on a trail that must lead right back to camp? :help: I just found the latest article, and people out there seem to be asking the same question:
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2812544
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I'm not ready to say that these boys are disappearing because of Bigfoot, but it is rather a strange story.
Another boy disappeared just 15 miles away. This recent boy was seen on a trail. He was supposed to be with a "buddy," but they must have gotten separated. Of course, there are plenty of other explanations, as people have said, ranging from cougars to predatory human beings, unfortunately.
I don't live in Utah, but my daughter just got back from a 4-H camp in the Tennessee mountains where she was a leader for a group of children. They roamed all over the woods and the lake, but no one got lost and absolutely nothing extraordinary happened. No one ever gets lost there, and these are young children who have never been to camp before.
I just don't see how these boy scouts are getting so lost on a trail that must lead right back to camp? :help: I just found the latest article, and people out there seem to be asking the same question:
http://www.sltrib.com/utah/ci_2812544
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Although the trees are thick enough to disorient someone who wanders in, veteran Scout leaders who know the area were mystified Sunday that a boy could vanish there.
"I don't understand how you can get lost going from the climbing wall," said Varsity Scout leader Dan Horne, of Sandy, referring to the last place Brennan was seen before he was supposed to walk back along a road to a group of tents for dinner. "Even if he was left alone for a minute, it's a road. And there are events happening and people all along the road."
Carlos Madsen, another Varsity Scout leader from Sandy, said, "It's not anything like hiking the High Uintas. You're within earshot of three different summer camps plus Rendezvous Meadows," a gathering spot for many Scout activities.
"I don't understand how you can get lost going from the climbing wall," said Varsity Scout leader Dan Horne, of Sandy, referring to the last place Brennan was seen before he was supposed to walk back along a road to a group of tents for dinner. "Even if he was left alone for a minute, it's a road. And there are events happening and people all along the road."
Carlos Madsen, another Varsity Scout leader from Sandy, said, "It's not anything like hiking the High Uintas. You're within earshot of three different summer camps plus Rendezvous Meadows," a gathering spot for many Scout activities.
~More at the Link
Interesting find Maheekat...
I'd still lean towards it being some sick human b@$#@^& or a cougar, then being Bigfoot though...
But interesting report none the less...
I'd still lean towards it being some sick human b@$#@^& or a cougar, then being Bigfoot though...
But interesting report none the less...
Just saw the report of the missing boy on the early news...they have many people looking for him...they even showed the swift river nearby....the currents look strong...anyway I hope they find him soon...
The thing about a case like this, Is that if he is never found no one will ever know what happened. Lets say it was some sick person who done it, he or she will get away with it free and clear. If it was a animal (Yes even a Bigfoot in included in there) then again they will get away with it free and clear.
No matter what happened it is a very sad thing.I would say not a damn thing could be said to the parents that could make anything better besides that he was found safe.
No matter what happened it is a very sad thing.I would say not a damn thing could be said to the parents that could make anything better besides that he was found safe.
Its really sad that it happened on or around Father's day...lets keep our fingers crossed... 
Another disturbing thing that has not been mention here is that in the past they have also found remains of people who were also lost.There also was a story of a missing boy who was lost and looked after by a creature.When found the boy mention that some type of creature took care of him and kept him warm through the night.I pray and I am hoping that this boy is found safe.
Mark A
Mark A
Boy scout or no, the kid could've just wandered off the trail and gotten disoriented. It's surprising how easily that can happen.
On a local news report this morning, it is being surmised that he may have tried to take a shortcut that would have taken him across a fast moving stream and could have been carried away. The streams and rivers here this spring and summer have had a larger than normal capacity due to high snow totals from this past winter and spring.
I've done a lot of research on missing and bigfoot and in the course of that research there are several things that would point to a possible bigfoot involvement.
1. Was there a big change in weather, drop in temperature around the time or just prior to the disappearance? Especially thunderstorms in the area?
2. Was the individual alone?
3. Does he have a pale complexion (a sign of aggression to a primate)
4. Was he angry loud or acting out for any reason. Angry people become even paler and tight lipped (another sign of aggression to primates)
5. Have there been other sightings in the area? In this case there have been many and also others that have turned up missing.
6. Was he carrying anything in his hand that might have been construed as a weapon to a primate?
7. Four kinds of dogs should have been called in immediately. A cougar tracking dog, a bear tracking dog, a dog that has in the past shown obvious signs of distress when encouraged to track a sasquatch, and a cadaver dog both air and water. I guess that is five kinds of dogs. And they should have been sent out prior to "thousands" of searchers going out. This would eliminate or possibly eliminate other animals.
8. Was he wearing glasses or any kind of hat? Another possible sign of aggression.
9. Are there lots of large trees and brush high grasses or rock bluffs in the area where a sasquatch could go or hide. Large trees is a big indicator that a child could be snatched without any tracks being left, and too high for dogs to track. If nothing pans out with the dog searches I would definetely be looking up in those trees. My opinion only, but the sasquatch are very very arboreal creatures.
There may be other things also but I need to get to work. Goldie
1. Was there a big change in weather, drop in temperature around the time or just prior to the disappearance? Especially thunderstorms in the area?
2. Was the individual alone?
3. Does he have a pale complexion (a sign of aggression to a primate)
4. Was he angry loud or acting out for any reason. Angry people become even paler and tight lipped (another sign of aggression to primates)
5. Have there been other sightings in the area? In this case there have been many and also others that have turned up missing.
6. Was he carrying anything in his hand that might have been construed as a weapon to a primate?
7. Four kinds of dogs should have been called in immediately. A cougar tracking dog, a bear tracking dog, a dog that has in the past shown obvious signs of distress when encouraged to track a sasquatch, and a cadaver dog both air and water. I guess that is five kinds of dogs. And they should have been sent out prior to "thousands" of searchers going out. This would eliminate or possibly eliminate other animals.
8. Was he wearing glasses or any kind of hat? Another possible sign of aggression.
9. Are there lots of large trees and brush high grasses or rock bluffs in the area where a sasquatch could go or hide. Large trees is a big indicator that a child could be snatched without any tracks being left, and too high for dogs to track. If nothing pans out with the dog searches I would definetely be looking up in those trees. My opinion only, but the sasquatch are very very arboreal creatures.
There may be other things also but I need to get to work. Goldie
There are plenty of possibly dangerous things in the woods without resorting to sick humans, or sasquatch. Some of the adults and senior scouts in the troop I belonged too when I was a scout were members of the local search & rescue team. They emphasized teaching us the more common dangers in the woods and things people do to make it harder to locate them.
Fast moving river currents, hypothermia, falling from a mis-step/poor stability in the ground, animal predators, dehydration, leaving the trail, etc.
I hope this boy scout is found alive, too.
Fast moving river currents, hypothermia, falling from a mis-step/poor stability in the ground, animal predators, dehydration, leaving the trail, etc.
I hope this boy scout is found alive, too.
QUOTE(goldie @ Jun 20 2005, 10:49 AM)
I've done a lot of research on missing and bigfoot and in the course of that research there are several things that would point to a possible bigfoot involvement.
1. Was there a big change in weather, drop in temperature around the time or just prior to the disappearance? Especially thunderstorms in the area?
2. Was the individual alone?
3. Does he have a pale complexion (a sign of aggression to a primate)
4. Was he angry loud or acting out for any reason. Angry people become even paler and tight lipped (another sign of aggression to primates)
5. Have there been other sightings in the area? In this case there have been many and also others that have turned up missing.
6. Was he carrying anything in his hand that might have been construed as a weapon to a primate?
7. Four kinds of dogs should have been called in immediately. A cougar tracking dog, a bear tracking dog, a dog that has in the past shown obvious signs of distress when encouraged to track a sasquatch, and a cadaver dog both air and water. I guess that is five kinds of dogs. And they should have been sent out prior to "thousands" of searchers going out. This would eliminate or possibly eliminate other animals.
8. Was he wearing glasses or any kind of hat? Another possible sign of aggression.
9. Are there lots of large trees and brush high grasses or rock bluffs in the area where a sasquatch could go or hide. Large trees is a big indicator that a child could be snatched without any tracks being left, and too high for dogs to track. If nothing pans out with the dog searches I would definetely be looking up in those trees. My opinion only, but the sasquatch are very very arboreal creatures.
There may be other things also but I need to get to work. Goldie
1. Was there a big change in weather, drop in temperature around the time or just prior to the disappearance? Especially thunderstorms in the area?
2. Was the individual alone?
3. Does he have a pale complexion (a sign of aggression to a primate)
4. Was he angry loud or acting out for any reason. Angry people become even paler and tight lipped (another sign of aggression to primates)
5. Have there been other sightings in the area? In this case there have been many and also others that have turned up missing.
6. Was he carrying anything in his hand that might have been construed as a weapon to a primate?
7. Four kinds of dogs should have been called in immediately. A cougar tracking dog, a bear tracking dog, a dog that has in the past shown obvious signs of distress when encouraged to track a sasquatch, and a cadaver dog both air and water. I guess that is five kinds of dogs. And they should have been sent out prior to "thousands" of searchers going out. This would eliminate or possibly eliminate other animals.
8. Was he wearing glasses or any kind of hat? Another possible sign of aggression.
9. Are there lots of large trees and brush high grasses or rock bluffs in the area where a sasquatch could go or hide. Large trees is a big indicator that a child could be snatched without any tracks being left, and too high for dogs to track. If nothing pans out with the dog searches I would definetely be looking up in those trees. My opinion only, but the sasquatch are very very arboreal creatures.
There may be other things also but I need to get to work. Goldie
First, Prayers for the Boy Scout & his Family for a safe return.
With all this research you have done could you post some of the links that supposedly would connect "several things that would point to a possible bigfoot involvement"
Thanks
QUOTE(goldie @ Jun 20 2005, 10:49 AM)
I've done a lot of research on missing and bigfoot and in the course of that research there are several things that would point to a possible bigfoot involvement.
1. Was there a big change in weather, drop in temperature around the time or just prior to the disappearance? Especially thunderstorms in the area?
2. Was the individual alone?
3. Does he have a pale complexion (a sign of aggression to a primate)
4. Was he angry loud or acting out for any reason. Angry people become even paler and tight lipped (another sign of aggression to primates)
5. Have there been other sightings in the area? In this case there have been many and also others that have turned up missing.
6. Was he carrying anything in his hand that might have been construed as a weapon to a primate?
7. Four kinds of dogs should have been called in immediately. A cougar tracking dog, a bear tracking dog, a dog that has in the past shown obvious signs of distress when encouraged to track a sasquatch, and a cadaver dog both air and water. I guess that is five kinds of dogs. And they should have been sent out prior to "thousands" of searchers going out. This would eliminate or possibly eliminate other animals.
8. Was he wearing glasses or any kind of hat? Another possible sign of aggression.
9. Are there lots of large trees and brush high grasses or rock bluffs in the area where a sasquatch could go or hide. Large trees is a big indicator that a child could be snatched without any tracks being left, and too high for dogs to track. If nothing pans out with the dog searches I would definetely be looking up in those trees. My opinion only, but the sasquatch are very very arboreal creatures.
There may be other things also but I need to get to work. Goldie
1. Was there a big change in weather, drop in temperature around the time or just prior to the disappearance? Especially thunderstorms in the area?
2. Was the individual alone?
3. Does he have a pale complexion (a sign of aggression to a primate)
4. Was he angry loud or acting out for any reason. Angry people become even paler and tight lipped (another sign of aggression to primates)
5. Have there been other sightings in the area? In this case there have been many and also others that have turned up missing.
6. Was he carrying anything in his hand that might have been construed as a weapon to a primate?
7. Four kinds of dogs should have been called in immediately. A cougar tracking dog, a bear tracking dog, a dog that has in the past shown obvious signs of distress when encouraged to track a sasquatch, and a cadaver dog both air and water. I guess that is five kinds of dogs. And they should have been sent out prior to "thousands" of searchers going out. This would eliminate or possibly eliminate other animals.
8. Was he wearing glasses or any kind of hat? Another possible sign of aggression.
9. Are there lots of large trees and brush high grasses or rock bluffs in the area where a sasquatch could go or hide. Large trees is a big indicator that a child could be snatched without any tracks being left, and too high for dogs to track. If nothing pans out with the dog searches I would definetely be looking up in those trees. My opinion only, but the sasquatch are very very arboreal creatures.
There may be other things also but I need to get to work. Goldie
Rather than any of what you posted pointing to sasquatch involvement, it's really a list of questions that you think might cause agression by a primate.
QUOTE(goldie)
Large trees is a big indicator that a child could be snatched without any tracks being left, and too high for dogs to track.
I really don't understand what you meant by this statement. What does large trees have to do with tracks being left?
QUOTE(goldie)
Four kinds of dogs should have been called in immediately. A cougar tracking dog, a bear tracking dog, a dog that has in the past shown obvious signs of distress when encouraged to track a sasquatch, and a cadaver dog both air and water. I guess that is five kinds of dogs. And they should have been sent out prior to "thousands" of searchers going out.
Getting "thousands" of volunteers along with tracking dogs (which I'm sure they have) out into the woods and doing a thorough search is the best way to find this person. The more people looking the better, IMO.
In this case I hope that BF nor any other creature was involved. My Only hope is the child is found alive and well! My young one just went to 4-H camp today and I hope her and her friends all return safely.
QUOTE(PEPPERSFARMS @ Jun 20 2005, 12:28 PM)
In this case I hope that BF nor any other creature was involved. My Only hope is the child is found alive and well! My young one just went to 4-H camp today and I hope her and her friends all return safely.
Right now I'm trying to find the site where it listed a HUGE number of people that dissapear just in the United States each year, to never be heard from or seen again. The number was staggering.
I know a lot of people become homeless, and some run away to get married and leave the country, and there must be a lot of other reasons.
But some are reported missing, like this kid, and no sign of them is ever found. Most animal attacks there is blood found, or some articles of clothing or personal possession recovered that shows their direction of travel, voluntary or not.
It does make you wonder if biggie is ever involved.
My heart goes out to the parents of this missing boy.
I know a lot of people become homeless, and some run away to get married and leave the country, and there must be a lot of other reasons.
But some are reported missing, like this kid, and no sign of them is ever found. Most animal attacks there is blood found, or some articles of clothing or personal possession recovered that shows their direction of travel, voluntary or not.
It does make you wonder if biggie is ever involved.
My heart goes out to the parents of this missing boy.
QUOTE(JayleeD @ Jun 20 2005, 10:11 AM)
QUOTE(goldie @ Jun 20 2005, 10:49 AM)
I've done a lot of research on missing and bigfoot and in the course of that research there are several things that would point to a possible bigfoot involvement.
1. Was there a big change in weather, drop in temperature around the time or just prior to the disappearance? Especially thunderstorms in the area?
2. Was the individual alone?
3. Does he have a pale complexion (a sign of aggression to a primate)
4. Was he angry loud or acting out for any reason. Angry people become even paler and tight lipped (another sign of aggression to primates)
5. Have there been other sightings in the area? In this case there have been many and also others that have turned up missing.
6. Was he carrying anything in his hand that might have been construed as a weapon to a primate?
7. Four kinds of dogs should have been called in immediately. A cougar tracking dog, a bear tracking dog, a dog that has in the past shown obvious signs of distress when encouraged to track a sasquatch, and a cadaver dog both air and water. I guess that is five kinds of dogs. And they should have been sent out prior to "thousands" of searchers going out. This would eliminate or possibly eliminate other animals.
8. Was he wearing glasses or any kind of hat? Another possible sign of aggression.
9. Are there lots of large trees and brush high grasses or rock bluffs in the area where a sasquatch could go or hide. Large trees is a big indicator that a child could be snatched without any tracks being left, and too high for dogs to track. If nothing pans out with the dog searches I would definetely be looking up in those trees. My opinion only, but the sasquatch are very very arboreal creatures.
There may be other things also but I need to get to work. Goldie
1. Was there a big change in weather, drop in temperature around the time or just prior to the disappearance? Especially thunderstorms in the area?
2. Was the individual alone?
3. Does he have a pale complexion (a sign of aggression to a primate)
4. Was he angry loud or acting out for any reason. Angry people become even paler and tight lipped (another sign of aggression to primates)
5. Have there been other sightings in the area? In this case there have been many and also others that have turned up missing.
6. Was he carrying anything in his hand that might have been construed as a weapon to a primate?
7. Four kinds of dogs should have been called in immediately. A cougar tracking dog, a bear tracking dog, a dog that has in the past shown obvious signs of distress when encouraged to track a sasquatch, and a cadaver dog both air and water. I guess that is five kinds of dogs. And they should have been sent out prior to "thousands" of searchers going out. This would eliminate or possibly eliminate other animals.
8. Was he wearing glasses or any kind of hat? Another possible sign of aggression.
9. Are there lots of large trees and brush high grasses or rock bluffs in the area where a sasquatch could go or hide. Large trees is a big indicator that a child could be snatched without any tracks being left, and too high for dogs to track. If nothing pans out with the dog searches I would definetely be looking up in those trees. My opinion only, but the sasquatch are very very arboreal creatures.
There may be other things also but I need to get to work. Goldie
Rather than any of what you posted pointing to sasquatch involvement, it's really a list of questions that you think might cause agression by a primate.
QUOTE(goldie)
Large trees is a big indicator that a child could be snatched without any tracks being left, and too high for dogs to track.
I really don't understand what you meant by this statement. What does large trees have to do with tracks being left?
QUOTE(goldie)
Four kinds of dogs should have been called in immediately. A cougar tracking dog, a bear tracking dog, a dog that has in the past shown obvious signs of distress when encouraged to track a sasquatch, and a cadaver dog both air and water. I guess that is five kinds of dogs. And they should have been sent out prior to "thousands" of searchers going out.
Getting "thousands" of volunteers along with tracking dogs (which I'm sure they have) out into the woods and doing a thorough search is the best way to find this person. The more people looking the better, IMO.
I agree with Jaylee. I suppose it's remotely possible for a child to be snatched by sasquatch but I think the odds are extremely slim. It's more likely in this case that the child was taken by another human.
article quote
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Nonetheless, investigators were exploring the possibility of foul play, especially since there were quite a few people in the mountains. "It's very important that we conduct a comprehensive investigation, and part of that is looking into possible criminal activity,'' Edmunds said. "We want to know who was in the woods up here.''
It sounds like there were a lot of people up there. Gosh, I sure hope they find him. My son is the same age and I'd be out of my mind if something happened to him.
That article is so sad......I just think it's a little "out there" to assume a large percentage of missing people are taken by sasquatches. If some day I'm proven wrong, I'll take my crow BBQ'd with teriyaki sauce.
We get adults and children that go missing in this tiny little country too, and to the best of my knowledge, we definately don't have any bigfoot running around here.
Look to the most likley causes for the answers, not the least likely.
Look to the most likley causes for the answers, not the least likely.
QUOTE(Paul1968UK @ Jun 20 2005, 02:38 PM)
We get adults and children that go missing in this tiny little country too, and to the best of my knowledge, we definately don't have any bigfoot running around here.
Look to the most likley causes for the answers, not the least likely.
Look to the most likley causes for the answers, not the least likely.
Exaclty. There are way too many variables to consider when it comes to missing children in forests. From the reports I have read, it seems a lot like foul play.....but that is just my opinion.
If a missing person sees their picture on a milk carton that offers a reward, would they get the money?
One can easily get disoriented in an unfamiliar place...I was once in the deep jungles in Malaysia and had to go no.1 so I left my group and went off on my own about like maybe 23-30 yards...and suddenly I looked around and everything looked the same!!! 
For a sec I felt lost...cause there was no trail etc...but for some reason lucky me I had some sense of which direction I had walked from and I followed it and to my surprise my group was just right there behind the shrubs and bushes...like 25 yards away and I couldnt see them!!! If I would have ventured further in the opposite direction I wouldnt be here today typing about it...I hope they find him...
For a sec I felt lost...cause there was no trail etc...but for some reason lucky me I had some sense of which direction I had walked from and I followed it and to my surprise my group was just right there behind the shrubs and bushes...like 25 yards away and I couldnt see them!!! If I would have ventured further in the opposite direction I wouldnt be here today typing about it...I hope they find him...
Anyone read the Stephen King book 'The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon' ? - the best description of what it is like to be lost in the woods I have ever read (and of how easy it is to get lost).
I've read that book, good one.
My prayers go out to this family. God only knows what has happened to that precious boy (extremely doubtful a squatch is the culprit though) :rolleyes: ..
I just pray he gets home safely..
My prayers go out to this family. God only knows what has happened to that precious boy (extremely doubtful a squatch is the culprit though) :rolleyes: ..
I just pray he gets home safely..
QUOTE(Paul1968UK @ Jun 20 2005, 03:38 PM)
Look to the most likley causes for the answers, not the least likely.
Exactly. This is "romanticism" at its finest. I understand that the topic of discussion on this board is Bigfoot, but this goes into the area of pure speculation with no evidence to support the premise other than maybe the Ostman story.
Perhaps if we hopped over to a forum dedicated to UFO's they would be having the same discussion blaming UFO’s, after all there are more stories of that phenomena then there is of BF abduction..
QUOTE(Paul1968UK @ Jun 20 2005, 01:55 PM)
Anyone read the Stephen King book 'The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon' ? - the best description of what it is like to be lost in the woods I have ever read (and of how easy it is to get lost).
Yeah, that was a good book. When I first read it I thought of a squatch when she realizes there is "something" out there watching her. Not what it turns out to be though.
Good book
I hope they find the boy, it's very sad......
QUOTE(Blackdog @ Jun 20 2005, 06:01 PM)
QUOTE(Paul1968UK @ Jun 20 2005, 03:38 PM)
Look to the most likley causes for the answers, not the least likely.
Exactly. This is "romanticism" at its finest. I understand that the topic of discussion on this board is Bigfoot, but this goes into the area of pure speculation with no evidence to support the premise other than maybe the Ostman story.
Yep dearie, but consider the source and the history.
The last time I checked the most common way to get dead in the woods was:
1) Falls, closely followed by
2) Drowning
Wild animals didn't even come close to those.
1) Falls, closely followed by
2) Drowning
Wild animals didn't even come close to those.
QUOTE(Blackbear @ Jun 19 2005, 11:02 PM)
I too suspect missing persons could be attibuted to BFs...since so many reports of them interested in children...looking at children through their bedroom windows etc...maybe they took them to be a part of their family...
If this is true then there must be some hybridization of Humans/Bfs..and that might explain why some BFs are shorter...has different hair color...and more importantly why some witness say they see a gorilla like animal..and why some say they see a human face...just a thought...
Again I will say what I told my wife ther other day:
"the biggest shock of the century could be that if we eventually find out most of the missing persons were taken by Bigfoot!"
If this is true then there must be some hybridization of Humans/Bfs..and that might explain why some BFs are shorter...has different hair color...and more importantly why some witness say they see a gorilla like animal..and why some say they see a human face...just a thought...
Again I will say what I told my wife ther other day:
"the biggest shock of the century could be that if we eventually find out most of the missing persons were taken by Bigfoot!"
I thought about this hybridization thing, like on that one video of the blond bf. It was where the guy was crying, and there was another laying down under a log.
Then stories of bf kidnapping, i.e. native american, and Ostman saying he was supposed to be a mate when he was taken.
The story of Zana (if true) shows that they can give birth to young, from a human parent.
I hate to sound like I'm constantly harping, but........
There is no evidence of any human/BF hybrid... none, zero, nada.
Most NA stories like that were used to keep kids from wandering away from thier homes.
How was Ostman (if the story is true) supposed to know he was to be used as a mate... telepathy?
And the Zana story is just that... a story.
There is no evidence of any human/BF hybrid... none, zero, nada.
Most NA stories like that were used to keep kids from wandering away from thier homes.
How was Ostman (if the story is true) supposed to know he was to be used as a mate... telepathy?
And the Zana story is just that... a story.
Time to call Occam...the stubble is getting really long.
QUOTE(Paul1968UK @ Jun 20 2005, 12:38 PM)
Look to the most likley causes for the answers, not the least likely.
Why? That would just be using logic and we can't have anyone doing that now can we?
Seriously, you must rule out the known first. A tree-swinging sasquatch enamored by a near-sighted boy scout is the last thing we should consider...if ever!
Like everyone else, I want this boy to be found alive very soon. I cannot imagine the hearbreak his parents are going through right now.
Redwolf
I'm wondering if they have FLIR systems available for use? Via helicopter.
Of course not all missing people are due to a sasquatch, however it does concern me that some of you think that sasquatches should not be considered at all as the culprit. Especially in this case where there have been other missing people and many sightings in this area. Don't forget the Indian legends of sasquatch kidnapping women and children.
Think for just a minute about primate history. All the way from chimpanzees to gorillas to hominids to modern humans. We have a history of violence, historical evidence points to cannabalism and violence. Can anyone give me a LOGICAL reason why the sasquatch would skip this evolutionary step and not be dangerous at certain times? That would be illogical in my opinion. The key is to figure out what triggers this and if steps can be taken to alert people that sasquatches have been seen in the area and could have the potential of being dangerous. Just like a bear. That also does not mean that some of them are shy. Just like humans and other animals they would have a range of emotions and reactions.
That is one of the big problems with organizations not admitting the existence of the sasquatch is that it is not factored in when it comes to evaluating the possible causes of what happens when people go missing in sasquatch territory. Remember there was another boy just 15 miles away last year that also disappeared. Yes of course the disappearance could be from a variety of other causes. But no possibile cause should be given any less weight than the other.
If the investigators decided that well gee it is a rugged area and he wandered off and got lost and fell and neglected to do a criminal check and other duties in regards to this case they would be slacking their responsibilities. I strongly feel that this is what search and rescue people do by not considering sasquatch type of evidence when they research these missing people cases.
In Oregon they actually treat a cougar kill just like a crime scene. I'm a believer in this animal because of what I've seen and I'm sure that those of you who have never seen a sasquatch or evidence that points to their existence it must be frustrating to make that leap in your own mind. This is not a mythical TV animal, this is a living breathing animal.
It surprises me that some of you in here are "investigators" for BFRO and don't even have a basic knowledge of human, hominoid, primate behavior.
And because you've never seen a sasquatch up in the trees does not mean anything. I have. Many times. Is this something BFRO doesn't want known? That would be my guess. And yes, most importantly I hope this child is found, alive and well.
Goldie
Think for just a minute about primate history. All the way from chimpanzees to gorillas to hominids to modern humans. We have a history of violence, historical evidence points to cannabalism and violence. Can anyone give me a LOGICAL reason why the sasquatch would skip this evolutionary step and not be dangerous at certain times? That would be illogical in my opinion. The key is to figure out what triggers this and if steps can be taken to alert people that sasquatches have been seen in the area and could have the potential of being dangerous. Just like a bear. That also does not mean that some of them are shy. Just like humans and other animals they would have a range of emotions and reactions.
That is one of the big problems with organizations not admitting the existence of the sasquatch is that it is not factored in when it comes to evaluating the possible causes of what happens when people go missing in sasquatch territory. Remember there was another boy just 15 miles away last year that also disappeared. Yes of course the disappearance could be from a variety of other causes. But no possibile cause should be given any less weight than the other.
If the investigators decided that well gee it is a rugged area and he wandered off and got lost and fell and neglected to do a criminal check and other duties in regards to this case they would be slacking their responsibilities. I strongly feel that this is what search and rescue people do by not considering sasquatch type of evidence when they research these missing people cases.
In Oregon they actually treat a cougar kill just like a crime scene. I'm a believer in this animal because of what I've seen and I'm sure that those of you who have never seen a sasquatch or evidence that points to their existence it must be frustrating to make that leap in your own mind. This is not a mythical TV animal, this is a living breathing animal.
It surprises me that some of you in here are "investigators" for BFRO and don't even have a basic knowledge of human, hominoid, primate behavior.
And because you've never seen a sasquatch up in the trees does not mean anything. I have. Many times. Is this something BFRO doesn't want known? That would be my guess. And yes, most importantly I hope this child is found, alive and well.
Goldie
The reports said that he was behind his friend walking toward the chow hall. It was only 1/4 mile down a path, but the river runs within 50 yards of the trail. He didn't have to cross the river.
A) He could have gone into the water.
B He could have become disoriented and wandered off...but I believe if he did, he would have turned up by now.
C) He could have run away.
D) There were a lot of people there - it could have been foul play.
E) It could have been an animal or bf.
It seems a bit odd that another boy about the same age, disappeared last year in that vicinity and hasn't been found.
We have to hope and pray that he wandered off and hasn't been located, or that he is okay if he is with a person or animal.
A) He could have gone into the water.
B He could have become disoriented and wandered off...but I believe if he did, he would have turned up by now.
C) He could have run away.
D) There were a lot of people there - it could have been foul play.
E) It could have been an animal or bf.
It seems a bit odd that another boy about the same age, disappeared last year in that vicinity and hasn't been found.
We have to hope and pray that he wandered off and hasn't been located, or that he is okay if he is with a person or animal.
Just my .02 cents...
I just finished watching the news story about this and watched the kid's parents and the search and resource people out there doing their best to hold it all together.
Then I come here and see this nonsense thread...
This is not a thread about speculation over unknowns who disappear in the wilderness!
This thread started by about speculating on this specific child whose parents I just watched on t.v!
Not only does this thread have no redeeming factors, in the pursuit of Sasquatch..imho...but I find it to be offensive on a personal level.
Maybe we should better spend out time praying for the poor kid..and not using him as an excuse to create yet another thread which has been beaten to death on so many occasions..... Again..just my .02 Carry on@
I just finished watching the news story about this and watched the kid's parents and the search and resource people out there doing their best to hold it all together.
Then I come here and see this nonsense thread...
This is not a thread about speculation over unknowns who disappear in the wilderness!
This thread started by about speculating on this specific child whose parents I just watched on t.v!
Not only does this thread have no redeeming factors, in the pursuit of Sasquatch..imho...but I find it to be offensive on a personal level.
Maybe we should better spend out time praying for the poor kid..and not using him as an excuse to create yet another thread which has been beaten to death on so many occasions..... Again..just my .02 Carry on@
Ok......at the risk of getting involved in a discussion when I really don't want to......
Then why does it say in your header BF Encounter - no?
I would say that the causes that have the greater odds (like 99%) should be given the most attention up front. The most likely scenario is that the child got lost, fell into the river, got attacked and carried off by a bear or cougar (which is slim too since no one saw or heard anything and an 11 year old is not that small) or was abducted by another human. It appears that these are being investigated thoroughly. It's not that no one believes it's not possible for a sasquatch to carry off someone, it's just that you focus on that being the cause with such laser-like precision it seems you are ignoring the obvious.
You also have no idea whether there are investigators within the BFRO who have extensive primate, hominoid or human behavior either, do you?
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And because you've never seen a sasquatch up in the trees does not mean anything. I have. Many times.
Then why does it say in your header BF Encounter - no?
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But no possibile cause should be given any less weight than the other.
I would say that the causes that have the greater odds (like 99%) should be given the most attention up front. The most likely scenario is that the child got lost, fell into the river, got attacked and carried off by a bear or cougar (which is slim too since no one saw or heard anything and an 11 year old is not that small) or was abducted by another human. It appears that these are being investigated thoroughly. It's not that no one believes it's not possible for a sasquatch to carry off someone, it's just that you focus on that being the cause with such laser-like precision it seems you are ignoring the obvious.
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It surprises me that some of you in here are "investigators" for BFRO and don't even have a basic knowledge of human, hominoid, primate behavior.
You also have no idea whether there are investigators within the BFRO who have extensive primate, hominoid or human behavior either, do you?
QUOTE(GrandCherokee @ Jun 20 2005, 09:21 PM)
Just my .02 cents...
I just finished watching the news story about this and watched the kid's parents and the search and resource people out there doing their best to hold it all together.
Then I come here and see this nonsense thread...
This is not a thread about speculation over unknowns who disappear in the wilderness!
This thread started by about speculating on this specific child whose parents I just watched on t.v!
Not only does this thread have no redeeming factors, in the pursuit of Sasquatch..imho...but I find it to be offensive on a personal level.
Maybe we should better spend out time praying for the poor kid..and not using him as an excuse to create yet another thread which has been beaten to death on so many occasions..... Again..just my .02 Carry on@
I just finished watching the news story about this and watched the kid's parents and the search and resource people out there doing their best to hold it all together.
Then I come here and see this nonsense thread...
This is not a thread about speculation over unknowns who disappear in the wilderness!
This thread started by about speculating on this specific child whose parents I just watched on t.v!
Not only does this thread have no redeeming factors, in the pursuit of Sasquatch..imho...but I find it to be offensive on a personal level.
Maybe we should better spend out time praying for the poor kid..and not using him as an excuse to create yet another thread which has been beaten to death on so many occasions..... Again..just my .02 Carry on@
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Of course not all missing people are due to a sasquatch, however it does concern me that some of you think that sasquatches should not be considered at all as the culprit. Especially in this case where there have been other missing people and many sightings in this area. Don't forget the Indian legends of sasquatch kidnapping women and children.
Sasquatch aren't considered as the culprit because the possibility is so remote. There are at least a dozen far more likely explanations. Indian legends are not evidence.
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Think for just a minute about primate history. All the way from chimpanzees to gorillas to hominids to modern humans. We have a history of violence, historical evidence points to cannabalism and violence. Can anyone give me a LOGICAL reason why the sasquatch would skip this evolutionary step and not be dangerous at certain times? That would be illogical in my opinion.
No, what's illogical is thinking a sasquatch did it when there is not a single, solitary scrap of evidence that even vaguely hints at it. By this logic I guess gremlins really are responsible for all those unexplained airplane crashes.
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Remember there was another boy just 15 miles away last year that also disappeared. Yes of course the disappearance could be from a variety of other causes. But no possibile cause should be given any less weight than the other.
Wrong. An investigation or search is more likely to meet with success if it is conducted along the lines of what probably happened. Sasquatch predation is way, way, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy, down the list of probabilities. I would say the prior disappearance of a boy in the vicinity hints at human predators.
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It surprises me that some of you in here are "investigators" for BFRO and don't even have a basic knowledge of human, hominoid, primate behavior.
We do have a basic knowledge of human behavior, which is one reason why, if the boy fell victim to a predator, we think it was most likely a human.
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And because you've never seen a sasquatch up in the trees does not mean anything. I have. Many times.
Many people claim to have seen Elvis many times. Does that mean Elvis is alive and kicking?
Hmm, if I have to believe in something, I'll believe it was the UFO's,
cause those lil grey ones're mean cusses, they just don't let on like
they are. Two faced lil aliens I tell ya...
Let me rephrase that, If I had to believe in something irrational.
:rolleyes:
cause those lil grey ones're mean cusses, they just don't let on like
they are. Two faced lil aliens I tell ya...
Let me rephrase that, If I had to believe in something irrational.
:rolleyes:
Edited because it just isn't worth it.
Let's hope this little guy comes home safe soon....
Redwolf
Let's hope this little guy comes home safe soon....
Redwolf
The little boy could've gotten lost.
Back in college - during my zoology field trips, I saw someone panic and "get lost" 50 feet away. We were in the Sierras, our group of 5 found a bench to eat lunch. After a really fast eat because of these big weird looking ants that appeared, he wandered off and I was cleaning up fast.
Anyhow, I look up and saw the "lost guy" really red, and panicked, and screaming all over like crazy. He was in a small clearing, and I can see him framed between 2 trees. From his vantage point, he didn't know where he was and couldn't see anyone. I could barely hear him screaming, but I walked over and he was so relieved. If I hadn't just walked over, he might have ran into the woods and really got lost.
Back in college - during my zoology field trips, I saw someone panic and "get lost" 50 feet away. We were in the Sierras, our group of 5 found a bench to eat lunch. After a really fast eat because of these big weird looking ants that appeared, he wandered off and I was cleaning up fast.
Anyhow, I look up and saw the "lost guy" really red, and panicked, and screaming all over like crazy. He was in a small clearing, and I can see him framed between 2 trees. From his vantage point, he didn't know where he was and couldn't see anyone. I could barely hear him screaming, but I walked over and he was so relieved. If I hadn't just walked over, he might have ran into the woods and really got lost.
QUOTE(thomas @ Jun 20 2005, 09:16 PM)
The little boy could've gotten lost.
Back in college - during my zoology field trips, I saw someone panic and "get lost" 50 feet away. We were in the Sierras, our group of 5 found a bench to eat lunch. After a really fast eat because of these big weird looking ants that appeared, he wandered off and I was cleaning up fast.
Anyhow, I look up and saw the "lost guy" really red, and panicked, and screaming all over like crazy. He was in a small clearing, and I can see him framed between 2 trees. From his vantage point, he didn't know where he was and couldn't see anyone. I could barely hear him screaming, but I walked over and he was so relieved. If I hadn't just walked over, he might have ran into the woods and really got lost.
Back in college - during my zoology field trips, I saw someone panic and "get lost" 50 feet away. We were in the Sierras, our group of 5 found a bench to eat lunch. After a really fast eat because of these big weird looking ants that appeared, he wandered off and I was cleaning up fast.
Anyhow, I look up and saw the "lost guy" really red, and panicked, and screaming all over like crazy. He was in a small clearing, and I can see him framed between 2 trees. From his vantage point, he didn't know where he was and couldn't see anyone. I could barely hear him screaming, but I walked over and he was so relieved. If I hadn't just walked over, he might have ran into the woods and really got lost.
The panic shut him down....tunnel vision.
Thanks Goldie for coming back and snapping us all back into the realm of rampant speculation instead of rational thought.
Just when I thought that this type of thing was behind us you come back and show us that our priorities lie not in actual reality, but in trying our best to associate Bigfoot with just about anything that happens in the forests of North America, especially if it’s sinister in nature. I forgot that we need to be more concerned about the Boogeyman than real people and how their lives are affected…where did I go wrong?
I’m so very happy that there are people like you to keep our priorities straight. Heaven help us all if we should stray from the path of actually thinking realistically. We definitely need more “out of the box” reasoning to make sure that we have things in perspective.
I mean, my God, just think of the people that are making the mistake of enjoying the outdoors and the forests of North America without having a clue that their very lives are in danger from Bigfoot every time that they go out there. I would recommend that anyone that thinks that they can have an enjoyable time leaving their homes to tackle the wilds of their local Boy Scout camp or State Park think twice about it before they do……….. Hell that leaves a lot more room for people like me.
Just when I thought that this type of thing was behind us you come back and show us that our priorities lie not in actual reality, but in trying our best to associate Bigfoot with just about anything that happens in the forests of North America, especially if it’s sinister in nature. I forgot that we need to be more concerned about the Boogeyman than real people and how their lives are affected…where did I go wrong?
I’m so very happy that there are people like you to keep our priorities straight. Heaven help us all if we should stray from the path of actually thinking realistically. We definitely need more “out of the box” reasoning to make sure that we have things in perspective.
I mean, my God, just think of the people that are making the mistake of enjoying the outdoors and the forests of North America without having a clue that their very lives are in danger from Bigfoot every time that they go out there. I would recommend that anyone that thinks that they can have an enjoyable time leaving their homes to tackle the wilds of their local Boy Scout camp or State Park think twice about it before they do……….. Hell that leaves a lot more room for people like me.
I did not mean to offend anyone with my post. It is just that yes when you watch the parents and the searchers looking for the kid it becomes "real". What if there had been a rogue bear in the area that had attacked people and nothing was done or told to the people that this bear was in the area and then a child disappears? How is that any different? People should be irrate that more is not done to alert people to the existence of these animals in this area or any area that has active sightings. How would you feel if you were the parents and later it was proven that there was a rogue sasquatch that was responsible and you delved into the subject matter and discovered all the evidence out there and how people in positions of authority refuse to admit the existence of this animal for the huge variety of reasons that have been discussed here many times. YOU WOULD FEEL ANGRY that your child was put in harms way in order to protect the logging industry, religion etc.
Guy as far as you saying there is not one shred of evidence that would point to a sasquatch I beg to differ. Just go out and do some research on Dogpile or google and some of the bigfoot web sites regarding sightings. There are lots of sightings in this area.
A bear or cougar would have left some blood evidence in my opinion. It seems dogs would have been able to track a body some where around that campground if it had been human. I find it hard to believe a boy scout camp would let total strangers just wander in or drive through? And I'd be asking serious questions if I was the parent why my child was not better supervised near a dangerous river.
Go to the web site that Maheekat mentioned and pull up the video pictures of the site. Look at that forested hillside and tell me that wouldn't be prime sasquatch habitat. Are you really willing to not consider the value of adding an experienced sasquatch researcher out there to the mix? Is it offensive to consider a bear attack? Is it offensive to consider calling in dogs trained to track bear or cougar and see if there is a scent? Then why should it be offensive to add a sasquatch researcher to the mix. As far as the child falling into the river a dog could have followed a scent to the edge of the river. There would have been obvious tracks or evidence showing that he was at the edge of the river.
This reluctance to take cautionary steps to protect the public in areas that bigfoot has been seen numerous times is irresponsible in my opinion and amounts to putting on blinders as to the danger this animal sometimes poses to those alone in the wilderness.
If you put bigfoot in the realm of sightings of elvis then you have no business on a bigfoot website in my opinion. It is offensive to me to be on a bigfoot website that should be devoted to issues exactly like this and have to listen to excuses made by people who obviously don't even believe in this animal or who use intimidation techniques in order to keep certain information unknown. You might want to ask yourself "why am I here" if this offends you. Of course money and fame is most likely at the root of some of this information withholding. Maybe guilt is kicking in because you know in your heart if you had information that could have saved someones life and you withheld it for financial reasons that is just wrong.
Unless you are one of those that run around in the woods with a bigfoot suit on and are here merely for entertainment then I fail to see why you would be offended by this possibility.
Guy as far as you saying there is not one shred of evidence that would point to a sasquatch I beg to differ. Just go out and do some research on Dogpile or google and some of the bigfoot web sites regarding sightings. There are lots of sightings in this area.
A bear or cougar would have left some blood evidence in my opinion. It seems dogs would have been able to track a body some where around that campground if it had been human. I find it hard to believe a boy scout camp would let total strangers just wander in or drive through? And I'd be asking serious questions if I was the parent why my child was not better supervised near a dangerous river.
Go to the web site that Maheekat mentioned and pull up the video pictures of the site. Look at that forested hillside and tell me that wouldn't be prime sasquatch habitat. Are you really willing to not consider the value of adding an experienced sasquatch researcher out there to the mix? Is it offensive to consider a bear attack? Is it offensive to consider calling in dogs trained to track bear or cougar and see if there is a scent? Then why should it be offensive to add a sasquatch researcher to the mix. As far as the child falling into the river a dog could have followed a scent to the edge of the river. There would have been obvious tracks or evidence showing that he was at the edge of the river.
This reluctance to take cautionary steps to protect the public in areas that bigfoot has been seen numerous times is irresponsible in my opinion and amounts to putting on blinders as to the danger this animal sometimes poses to those alone in the wilderness.
If you put bigfoot in the realm of sightings of elvis then you have no business on a bigfoot website in my opinion. It is offensive to me to be on a bigfoot website that should be devoted to issues exactly like this and have to listen to excuses made by people who obviously don't even believe in this animal or who use intimidation techniques in order to keep certain information unknown. You might want to ask yourself "why am I here" if this offends you. Of course money and fame is most likely at the root of some of this information withholding. Maybe guilt is kicking in because you know in your heart if you had information that could have saved someones life and you withheld it for financial reasons that is just wrong.
Unless you are one of those that run around in the woods with a bigfoot suit on and are here merely for entertainment then I fail to see why you would be offended by this possibility.
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