Hey guys here is the first report from my findings in a new research are here in NE OK. We will be researching here 1-2 times per week and I will post more significant info as it happens.
NE Oklahoma Unknown Primate Research
Preliminary Report
June 17, 2005
Background- The purpose of this trip is to prove the existence of an unknown primate commonly known as Bigfoot or Sasquatch in a remote location in northeast Oklahoma. The weather for this particular trip was sunny, with the occasional cloud and was 83 degrees. Before our arrival into the location it had rained about 2/10s of an inch that morning and 1 inch the night before. Despite this rain we found that the forest floor had dried enough to still make distinctive, typical noise usually associated with walking through forests.
Location- A large wildlife management area in NE Oklahoma and surrounding lands. The total research area is in excess of 45,000 acres of sparsely inhabited terrain, with the majority of our research being conducted on 14,000 acres of the WMA, which is uninhabited except for the state caretaker. This area is a 30 minute drive from my house, due to terrain and lakes, yet is only 6 1/2 miles at its closest to my house.
Terrain- This is area is a part of the foothills of the Ozark Uplift and consists of steep hills, deep gullies (hollars), rocky crags, lush hardwood bottom and the occasional plateau. The general soil composition is a dark loamy soil that has a high content of small limestone and mudstone rock. Many of the roads are not lending to the possibility of finding footprints due additional gravel added for traction and their compactness, yet the areas off of the roads have a less compacted soil, which would allow for a better possibility of finding footprints. Additionally elevation readings were taken and ranged from 770 ft to 1,152 ft. A few of the hollars observed were in excess of 250 ft deep, many having 60 deg.+ sidewalls.
Flora and Fauna- The ecology of the area is an oak, hickory and pine forest that consists of hardwood bottoms, hardwood mix, large stands of pine and upland prairie. An extensive survey of the makeup of the flora was not preformed but the following trees were observed in abundance; northern white oak, northern red oak, post oak, black oak, chinkapin oak, black walnut, pecan, bitternut hickory, white ash, american sycamore, common hackberry, black locust, redbud, american basswood, shortleaf pine. Fauna observed this trip consisted of; white-tail deer, northern gray squirrel, fox squirrel, red-tailed hawk, common crow, turkey, blue tailed skink, many songbirds and plenty of ticks, chiggers and ants.
Research Methods- The methods used on this trip were driving, hiking and sitting in wildlife blinds. The majority of this trip consisted of driving the roads to get acquainted with the area. We did hike in a few of the hollars to better survey the terrain. Techniques used were observation, listening, tree thumping and vocalizations.
Evidence Found- No conclusive evidence of an unknown primate was found but a few interesting events did happen. These events did not occur until 2 hours into our research, with the last event happening 2 ½ hours after our first incident. These incidents, while unusual, can possibly be explained away by other causes and therefore should not be viewed as solid proof for the existence of an unknown primate. I am classifying these incidents as possible evidence, until I can prove them either as not primate related or as primate behavior that is typical for this animal.
The first such incident happened at our first stop to hike. We had driven 4 miles, stopping occasionally and surveying the area, into the WMA and were approximately 7 miles from any house, aside from the WMA headquarters (3.5 miles away) and decided to hike into a hollar. We hiked for 200 yards and decided to sit and look into a draw and listen. About 5 minutes after we had sat down we heard the sound of footsteps walking away from us that appeared to sound like large bipedal footsteps. The cadence of the steps was like that of an adult human walking in a hardwood bottom at a slightly hurried pace. They started in the bottom about 45 yds east of our location and stopped abruptly 75 yards from us at the bottom of a steep hill (the vegetation in the hollar allowed for a clear visibility of 40 yds). We surveyed with our binoculars through gaps in the vegetation for movement or animals and saw nothing. About 6 minutes after the footsteps stopped, we heard a loud large thump that sounded like a large rock hitting the ground and then silence. The songbirds that I had heard behind me stopped singing momentarily after this happened and resumed a few minutes later. The interesting thing is the area this sound came from was not flat, but was high up on a 65 degree + incline so that any rock thrown would have rolled down making considerable noise. The source of this sound is still very puzzling to me, as I have never heard anything like it in the woods ever. I have heard similar sounds to this made by humans dropping 100 lb dumbbells onto the ground. After this we heard more footsteps until they faded away. We waited 15 minutes and hiked towards the general area of the sounds and found a few large rocks (40-200 lb range), yet saw no evidence that any had been disturbed. We then hiked a one-mile loop back to the truck, having no other events happen.
I doubt that what I heard was a person for many reasons, one of which is that the WMA worker informed me that this place is void of human activity from Feb-Oct. Another is the fact that the remoteness of the location where I was someone would have had to walk to this location 7 miles from the closet road. My first thought is that what we heard was an animal walking from the bottom (we were about 45 feet higher than the bottom) up onto the hill to get a better look at us. The slope that it would have climbed was steep, rocky and was generally void of debris and leaves due to a fire that had occurred last year. I believe that it was slowly making its way up the steep slope and had slipped off of a rock causing the noise, or had caused a rock to slip and fall into tree. Considering that we only heard this one sound and then silence, this is my best guess as to what we heard. It would stand to reason that if this sound had been made in an attempt to warn us to stay away that more sounds would have been heard.
The second incident we had driven on the WMA roads, approximately 2 miles from the area of our first incident and decided to stop on top of a hogback and try more tree thumping (we had tried at 5 other locations with no response). We hiked 100 yards from the truck and waited for 10 minutes. I struck a small white oak (8” diameter) with my stick 3 times. Immediately after the 3rd strike we heard a loud ‘woof’ sound about 400 yards south of our location. It was not like a woof a dog would make but was more like a deep breathy ‘huh’ sound. After this we waited 5 minutes I snuck to a tree 20 yards further up hill and struck it 3 times and waited. This time in a more southeasterly direction we heard footsteps approximately 75 yards away, which was across a hollar. We also heard what appeared to be one slight thump on a tree from the vicinity of the footprints. After this we thumped 2 more sequences at 5-minute intervals, each time hearing footsteps in the distance, seemingly getting further away. We did 2 more thumping sequences and had no answer, no footsteps and no other sounds.
The third incident occurred 1/3 mile from our second incident. We were heading home as it was 1 hour before dark and decided to stop one more time, as we were on the other side of the ‘woof’ sound that we had heard previously. We waited about 10 minutes, and this time I had my son try a vocalization he has mastered fairly well. The vocalization was a high-pitched ‘oooohh-aaahhhh’ sound we have heard in some possible Sasquatch recordings. He did this three times in sequence and then we waited. From the direction of our 2nd incident and approximately the same location we heard a response that sounded very similar, only higher pitched, less human sounding and louder in volume. We walked the road towards the response, listening and observing. I had him do 3 more vocalization sequences each 3 minutes apart. We got a return vocalization on the 1st of these two sequences, but it appeared to be getting further from our location. After the 3rd vocalization sequence and know response we decided to head to the truck. I had my son do one more of his vocalizations at the truck and I did 2 more tree thumping sequences and got no further responses.
We decided to head to on to the house, satisfied with our first day preliminary findings. Our research will continue in the area 1-2 times per week for the remainder of the summer. Each time we will be searching new areas (mostly on foot in the future) and trying new research techniques.
One additional note is that we found one tree break about six feet up, near a road on a small white oak. This break could have occurred from many possible sources, yet was found in an area between the 1st and 2nd incident. We also on the way out of the WMA we found a large shortleaf pine, approximately 2’ diameter, that had a place of bark clear off 6 inches wide and 3 feet long starting 5 feet high. I examined for claw marks and found none, but examination did prove that it was not from mechanical sources.
We will be compiling our findings each trip into a field research notebook and will post any significant findings that we have in the future.
Justin Cottrell
Full Version: NE Oklahoma Research
Nice report, Dinosaurman. 
Did you have any type of recording devices to record the sounds you heard?
Did you have any type of recording devices to record the sounds you heard?
Interesting report....thanks. What is the name of the particular WMA that you were exploring in Oklahoma?
QUOTE(dinosaurman @ Jun 18 2005, 05:02 PM)
Hey guys here is the first report from my findings in a new research are here in NE OK. We will be researching here 1-2 times per week and I will post more significant info as it happens.
NE Oklahoma Unknown Primate Research
Preliminary Report
June 17, 2005
Background- The purpose of this trip is to prove the existence of an unknown primate commonly known as Bigfoot or Sasquatch in a remote location in northeast Oklahoma. The weather for this particular trip was sunny, with the occasional cloud and was 83 degrees. Before our arrival into the location it had rained about 2/10s of an inch that morning and 1 inch the night before. Despite this rain we found that the forest floor had dried enough to still make distinctive, typical noise usually associated with walking through forests.
Location- A large wildlife management area in NE Oklahoma and surrounding lands. The total research area is in excess of 45,000 acres of sparsely inhabited terrain, with the majority of our research being conducted on 14,000 acres of the WMA, which is uninhabited except for the state caretaker. This area is a 30 minute drive from my house, due to terrain and lakes, yet is only 6 1/2 miles at its closest to my house.
Terrain- This is area is a part of the foothills of the Ozark Uplift and consists of steep hills, deep gullies (hollars), rocky crags, lush hardwood bottom and the occasional plateau. The general soil composition is a dark loamy soil that has a high content of small limestone and mudstone rock. Many of the roads are not lending to the possibility of finding footprints due additional gravel added for traction and their compactness, yet the areas off of the roads have a less compacted soil, which would allow for a better possibility of finding footprints. Additionally elevation readings were taken and ranged from 770 ft to 1,152 ft. A few of the hollars observed were in excess of 250 ft deep, many having 60 deg.+ sidewalls.
Flora and Fauna- The ecology of the area is an oak, hickory and pine forest that consists of hardwood bottoms, hardwood mix, large stands of pine and upland prairie. An extensive survey of the makeup of the flora was not preformed but the following trees were observed in abundance; northern white oak, northern red oak, post oak, black oak, chinkapin oak, black walnut, pecan, bitternut hickory, white ash, american sycamore, common hackberry, black locust, redbud, american basswood, shortleaf pine. Fauna observed this trip consisted of; white-tail deer, northern gray squirrel, fox squirrel, red-tailed hawk, common crow, turkey, blue tailed skink, many songbirds and plenty of ticks, chiggers and ants.
Research Methods- The methods used on this trip were driving, hiking and sitting in wildlife blinds. The majority of this trip consisted of driving the roads to get acquainted with the area. We did hike in a few of the hollars to better survey the terrain. Techniques used were observation, listening, tree thumping and vocalizations.
Evidence Found- No conclusive evidence of an unknown primate was found but a few interesting events did happen. These events did not occur until 2 hours into our research, with the last event happening 2 ½ hours after our first incident. These incidents, while unusual, can possibly be explained away by other causes and therefore should not be viewed as solid proof for the existence of an unknown primate. I am classifying these incidents as possible evidence, until I can prove them either as not primate related or as primate behavior that is typical for this animal.
The first such incident happened at our first stop to hike. We had driven 4 miles, stopping occasionally and surveying the area, into the WMA and were approximately 7 miles from any house, aside from the WMA headquarters (3.5 miles away) and decided to hike into a hollar. We hiked for 200 yards and decided to sit and look into a draw and listen. About 5 minutes after we had sat down we heard the sound of footsteps walking away from us that appeared to sound like large bipedal footsteps. The cadence of the steps was like that of an adult human walking in a hardwood bottom at a slightly hurried pace. They started in the bottom about 45 yds east of our location and stopped abruptly 75 yards from us at the bottom of a steep hill (the vegetation in the hollar allowed for a clear visibility of 40 yds). We surveyed with our binoculars through gaps in the vegetation for movement or animals and saw nothing. About 6 minutes after the footsteps stopped, we heard a loud large thump that sounded like a large rock hitting the ground and then silence. The songbirds that I had heard behind me stopped singing momentarily after this happened and resumed a few minutes later. The interesting thing is the area this sound came from was not flat, but was high up on a 65 degree + incline so that any rock thrown would have rolled down making considerable noise. The source of this sound is still very puzzling to me, as I have never heard anything like it in the woods ever. I have heard similar sounds to this made by humans dropping 100 lb dumbbells onto the ground. After this we heard more footsteps until they faded away. We waited 15 minutes and hiked towards the general area of the sounds and found a few large rocks (40-200 lb range), yet saw no evidence that any had been disturbed. We then hiked a one-mile loop back to the truck, having no other events happen.
I doubt that what I heard was a person for many reasons, one of which is that the WMA worker informed me that this place is void of human activity from Feb-Oct. Another is the fact that the remoteness of the location where I was someone would have had to walk to this location 7 miles from the closet road. My first thought is that what we heard was an animal walking from the bottom (we were about 45 feet higher than the bottom) up onto the hill to get a better look at us. The slope that it would have climbed was steep, rocky and was generally void of debris and leaves due to a fire that had occurred last year. I believe that it was slowly making its way up the steep slope and had slipped off of a rock causing the noise, or had caused a rock to slip and fall into tree. Considering that we only heard this one sound and then silence, this is my best guess as to what we heard. It would stand to reason that if this sound had been made in an attempt to warn us to stay away that more sounds would have been heard.
The second incident we had driven on the WMA roads, approximately 2 miles from the area of our first incident and decided to stop on top of a hogback and try more tree thumping (we had tried at 5 other locations with no response). We hiked 100 yards from the truck and waited for 10 minutes. I struck a small white oak (8” diameter) with my stick 3 times. Immediately after the 3rd strike we heard a loud ‘woof’ sound about 400 yards south of our location. It was not like a woof a dog would make but was more like a deep breathy ‘huh’ sound. After this we waited 5 minutes I snuck to a tree 20 yards further up hill and struck it 3 times and waited. This time in a more southeasterly direction we heard footsteps approximately 75 yards away, which was across a hollar. We also heard what appeared to be one slight thump on a tree from the vicinity of the footprints. After this we thumped 2 more sequences at 5-minute intervals, each time hearing footsteps in the distance, seemingly getting further away. We did 2 more thumping sequences and had no answer, no footsteps and no other sounds.
The third incident occurred 1/3 mile from our second incident. We were heading home as it was 1 hour before dark and decided to stop one more time, as we were on the other side of the ‘woof’ sound that we had heard previously. We waited about 10 minutes, and this time I had my son try a vocalization he has mastered fairly well. The vocalization was a high-pitched ‘oooohh-aaahhhh’ sound we have heard in some possible Sasquatch recordings. He did this three times in sequence and then we waited. From the direction of our 2nd incident and approximately the same location we heard a response that sounded very similar, only higher pitched, less human sounding and louder in volume. We walked the road towards the response, listening and observing. I had him do 3 more vocalization sequences each 3 minutes apart. We got a return vocalization on the 1st of these two sequences, but it appeared to be getting further from our location. After the 3rd vocalization sequence and know response we decided to head to the truck. I had my son do one more of his vocalizations at the truck and I did 2 more tree thumping sequences and got no further responses.
We decided to head to on to the house, satisfied with our first day preliminary findings. Our research will continue in the area 1-2 times per week for the remainder of the summer. Each time we will be searching new areas (mostly on foot in the future) and trying new research techniques.
One additional note is that we found one tree break about six feet up, near a road on a small white oak. This break could have occurred from many possible sources, yet was found in an area between the 1st and 2nd incident. We also on the way out of the WMA we found a large shortleaf pine, approximately 2’ diameter, that had a place of bark clear off 6 inches wide and 3 feet long starting 5 feet high. I examined for claw marks and found none, but examination did prove that it was not from mechanical sources.
We will be compiling our findings each trip into a field research notebook and will post any significant findings that we have in the future.
Justin Cottrell
NE Oklahoma Unknown Primate Research
Preliminary Report
June 17, 2005
Background- The purpose of this trip is to prove the existence of an unknown primate commonly known as Bigfoot or Sasquatch in a remote location in northeast Oklahoma. The weather for this particular trip was sunny, with the occasional cloud and was 83 degrees. Before our arrival into the location it had rained about 2/10s of an inch that morning and 1 inch the night before. Despite this rain we found that the forest floor had dried enough to still make distinctive, typical noise usually associated with walking through forests.
Location- A large wildlife management area in NE Oklahoma and surrounding lands. The total research area is in excess of 45,000 acres of sparsely inhabited terrain, with the majority of our research being conducted on 14,000 acres of the WMA, which is uninhabited except for the state caretaker. This area is a 30 minute drive from my house, due to terrain and lakes, yet is only 6 1/2 miles at its closest to my house.
Terrain- This is area is a part of the foothills of the Ozark Uplift and consists of steep hills, deep gullies (hollars), rocky crags, lush hardwood bottom and the occasional plateau. The general soil composition is a dark loamy soil that has a high content of small limestone and mudstone rock. Many of the roads are not lending to the possibility of finding footprints due additional gravel added for traction and their compactness, yet the areas off of the roads have a less compacted soil, which would allow for a better possibility of finding footprints. Additionally elevation readings were taken and ranged from 770 ft to 1,152 ft. A few of the hollars observed were in excess of 250 ft deep, many having 60 deg.+ sidewalls.
Flora and Fauna- The ecology of the area is an oak, hickory and pine forest that consists of hardwood bottoms, hardwood mix, large stands of pine and upland prairie. An extensive survey of the makeup of the flora was not preformed but the following trees were observed in abundance; northern white oak, northern red oak, post oak, black oak, chinkapin oak, black walnut, pecan, bitternut hickory, white ash, american sycamore, common hackberry, black locust, redbud, american basswood, shortleaf pine. Fauna observed this trip consisted of; white-tail deer, northern gray squirrel, fox squirrel, red-tailed hawk, common crow, turkey, blue tailed skink, many songbirds and plenty of ticks, chiggers and ants.
Research Methods- The methods used on this trip were driving, hiking and sitting in wildlife blinds. The majority of this trip consisted of driving the roads to get acquainted with the area. We did hike in a few of the hollars to better survey the terrain. Techniques used were observation, listening, tree thumping and vocalizations.
Evidence Found- No conclusive evidence of an unknown primate was found but a few interesting events did happen. These events did not occur until 2 hours into our research, with the last event happening 2 ½ hours after our first incident. These incidents, while unusual, can possibly be explained away by other causes and therefore should not be viewed as solid proof for the existence of an unknown primate. I am classifying these incidents as possible evidence, until I can prove them either as not primate related or as primate behavior that is typical for this animal.
The first such incident happened at our first stop to hike. We had driven 4 miles, stopping occasionally and surveying the area, into the WMA and were approximately 7 miles from any house, aside from the WMA headquarters (3.5 miles away) and decided to hike into a hollar. We hiked for 200 yards and decided to sit and look into a draw and listen. About 5 minutes after we had sat down we heard the sound of footsteps walking away from us that appeared to sound like large bipedal footsteps. The cadence of the steps was like that of an adult human walking in a hardwood bottom at a slightly hurried pace. They started in the bottom about 45 yds east of our location and stopped abruptly 75 yards from us at the bottom of a steep hill (the vegetation in the hollar allowed for a clear visibility of 40 yds). We surveyed with our binoculars through gaps in the vegetation for movement or animals and saw nothing. About 6 minutes after the footsteps stopped, we heard a loud large thump that sounded like a large rock hitting the ground and then silence. The songbirds that I had heard behind me stopped singing momentarily after this happened and resumed a few minutes later. The interesting thing is the area this sound came from was not flat, but was high up on a 65 degree + incline so that any rock thrown would have rolled down making considerable noise. The source of this sound is still very puzzling to me, as I have never heard anything like it in the woods ever. I have heard similar sounds to this made by humans dropping 100 lb dumbbells onto the ground. After this we heard more footsteps until they faded away. We waited 15 minutes and hiked towards the general area of the sounds and found a few large rocks (40-200 lb range), yet saw no evidence that any had been disturbed. We then hiked a one-mile loop back to the truck, having no other events happen.
I doubt that what I heard was a person for many reasons, one of which is that the WMA worker informed me that this place is void of human activity from Feb-Oct. Another is the fact that the remoteness of the location where I was someone would have had to walk to this location 7 miles from the closet road. My first thought is that what we heard was an animal walking from the bottom (we were about 45 feet higher than the bottom) up onto the hill to get a better look at us. The slope that it would have climbed was steep, rocky and was generally void of debris and leaves due to a fire that had occurred last year. I believe that it was slowly making its way up the steep slope and had slipped off of a rock causing the noise, or had caused a rock to slip and fall into tree. Considering that we only heard this one sound and then silence, this is my best guess as to what we heard. It would stand to reason that if this sound had been made in an attempt to warn us to stay away that more sounds would have been heard.
The second incident we had driven on the WMA roads, approximately 2 miles from the area of our first incident and decided to stop on top of a hogback and try more tree thumping (we had tried at 5 other locations with no response). We hiked 100 yards from the truck and waited for 10 minutes. I struck a small white oak (8” diameter) with my stick 3 times. Immediately after the 3rd strike we heard a loud ‘woof’ sound about 400 yards south of our location. It was not like a woof a dog would make but was more like a deep breathy ‘huh’ sound. After this we waited 5 minutes I snuck to a tree 20 yards further up hill and struck it 3 times and waited. This time in a more southeasterly direction we heard footsteps approximately 75 yards away, which was across a hollar. We also heard what appeared to be one slight thump on a tree from the vicinity of the footprints. After this we thumped 2 more sequences at 5-minute intervals, each time hearing footsteps in the distance, seemingly getting further away. We did 2 more thumping sequences and had no answer, no footsteps and no other sounds.
The third incident occurred 1/3 mile from our second incident. We were heading home as it was 1 hour before dark and decided to stop one more time, as we were on the other side of the ‘woof’ sound that we had heard previously. We waited about 10 minutes, and this time I had my son try a vocalization he has mastered fairly well. The vocalization was a high-pitched ‘oooohh-aaahhhh’ sound we have heard in some possible Sasquatch recordings. He did this three times in sequence and then we waited. From the direction of our 2nd incident and approximately the same location we heard a response that sounded very similar, only higher pitched, less human sounding and louder in volume. We walked the road towards the response, listening and observing. I had him do 3 more vocalization sequences each 3 minutes apart. We got a return vocalization on the 1st of these two sequences, but it appeared to be getting further from our location. After the 3rd vocalization sequence and know response we decided to head to the truck. I had my son do one more of his vocalizations at the truck and I did 2 more tree thumping sequences and got no further responses.
We decided to head to on to the house, satisfied with our first day preliminary findings. Our research will continue in the area 1-2 times per week for the remainder of the summer. Each time we will be searching new areas (mostly on foot in the future) and trying new research techniques.
One additional note is that we found one tree break about six feet up, near a road on a small white oak. This break could have occurred from many possible sources, yet was found in an area between the 1st and 2nd incident. We also on the way out of the WMA we found a large shortleaf pine, approximately 2’ diameter, that had a place of bark clear off 6 inches wide and 3 feet long starting 5 feet high. I examined for claw marks and found none, but examination did prove that it was not from mechanical sources.
We will be compiling our findings each trip into a field research notebook and will post any significant findings that we have in the future.
Justin Cottrell
hi dinosaurman good morning wow thats a great oklahoma sasquatch field report. remember please keep us updated and always bring your camera in sasquatch activity areas in oklahoma. thanks bill green
Arm Chair- Due to our recent move, and still having dozens of boxes to unpack, I have not been able to find my recording equipment (I'm looking today). I had everthing else though. Will be going out later this week, with bait traps, sound recording equipment and an optomistic spirit.
Justin
Justin
QUOTE(dinosaurman @ Jun 20 2005, 09:33 AM)
Arm Chair- Due to our recent move, and still having dozens of boxes to unpack, I have not been able to find my recording equipment (I'm looking today). I had everthing else though. Will be going out later this week, with bait traps, sound recording equipment and an optomistic spirit.
Justin
Justin
I hope you have fun!
hi dinosaurman good evening there is a very interesting class a sighting of a oklahoma white sasquatch in the resent reports section of the bfro website. maybe you can go the sighting location with a camera or camcorder to look for sasquatch evidence. the sighting i mentioned happen in january 2005. thanks bill green please keep me & everyone here on this great forum posted ok
Excellent, excellent report Justin, and your preliminary work (researching the area, flora, fauna, weather etc.) is outstanding! This is a shining example of how to write up a report and document possible incidents without making any assumptions.
Ditto! 
seriously dinosaurman you SHOULD walk in through the backside near the lake,entering from the park,thats where I go in,
and also when ya have to take a leak in the woods don`t pee on the third bush to the left thats me!
*wink wink*
and also when ya have to take a leak in the woods don`t pee on the third bush to the left thats me!
*wink wink*
Justin, nice going. I'm sure everyone is wishing you good luck. As you get familiar with the area, maybe you will be able to find things like rock stacks, and possibly even a nest. Are there caves or undercut banks in the area? I was born and raised in NE Oklahoma, so I have a pretty good idea what your WMA must look like. No reason why you shouldn't find sasquatch in those woods. Another thing is to be sure to take plastic bags with you so you can protect any samples of skat or hair that you find. You've probably already got that one covered though. Do you plan to be out there after midnight? Sasquatch are so much more active at night. Lot of reports are at what I call Big Foot Rush HOur (around 2:00 A.M.) WC
I am in SW Missouri, and I research Barry County...an accumulated 20 reports in a 40 mile N/S area. I did a trip last weekend in an area similar to the terrain on your report. Tops at 1400 ft, bottoms at 1200, slopes 50 degrees plus. I spent a good four hours down there (yes, alone). The area was completely silent. At one point in the creek bed I was just frozen in place about ten minutes. I absolutely couldn't move ahead around the bend. The feeling lifted and I continued. The area is lined with overhangs on several levels, and I saw one tiny cave. There have been at least five or six reports in this area that I know of, including some of my own experiences in this place. The residents of the woods have been quite hostile to locals and interlopers. I've encountered no hostily during any encounter, there or elsewhere in my research areas...but I'm a slender, tall harmless looking woman so I am not that threatening. I don't carry a camera or a gun or a knife and my main purpose is not to get proof but to make contact and communicate. My goal is to prove their humanity. I don't think they are primates. I think they are the original native inhabitants of this continent. Just a theory.
MObigfoot, that is an interesting theory....would you relate your own encounter and what did you see/experience that contibuted to your theory?
QUOTE(caledon35 @ Nov 11 2005, 10:48 AM)
MObigfoot, that is an interesting theory....would you relate your own encounter and what did you see/experience that contibuted to your theory?
I don't think my own experiences add up to my theory, but the experiences of others in that area, and also nationwide. I have read thousands and thousands of reports and have taken a number as well. I have listened to recordings of them talking to each other and I took the time...alot of time to write down their words and it is a language. I am comparing this with Tlingit and Salish Indian languages of the region to see if there is a comparison.
I also know of six encounters in which the sasquatch have kidnapped women and had babies with them. Orangutan will assault women, but to my knowledge the difference in chromosomal numbers does not allow for a child to be born of such an incident. That was an outright attack, not a kidnapping, taking elsewhere and then mating with. It was lack of self control.
There is an incident in my study area where the female retrieved a dead infant she'd left hidden and she was chasing away the man who was in the area. You can research ancient societies and see that in a great percentage that when a woman has an unacceptable child, a dead child, multiple births, or whatever reason it's unacceptable that the child is left to the elements in a place far from the home. This is done by the mother, or another woman. I believe that she came back, afraid of the baby being discovered. And knowing how I felt after having my children, I'm quite sure my reaction would have been the same as hers.
I think we are too quick to discount the possiblity of their humanity because we are intimidated. I think they were the original inhabitants of this continent, and I think that is shown in population numbers here versus overseas. I think if there was ever a path to Europe there were some that took it over there and spread out thinly. It is possible that they interbred with Neanderthal or just within their own race. We all assume that this continent was bare before the Euro-Asian peoples migrated here. I don't think that is the case here. In almost all Indian legends, the sasquatch were always here. I think the legends were correct. I think they are their own kind of human, but human none the less.
As for my story, I was followed for over a mile, circled and then left alone. I found the footprints. Later that night one of them walked to my bedroom window and stood there for several minutes. I was twelve then...seventeen years ago. Since then I have been watched and heard him/her breathing. Loud even breathing that is only human. I have been paralleled on a path after leaving when I heard the tapping rhythms. Those don't add up to my theory, no, but as I said, other reports certainly do.
That was interesting.................. 
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooookay.....
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I...uh...hmmm.....
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QUOTE(Wildman @ Nov 14 2005, 12:54 PM)
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooookay.....
Um...yeah...ummm....
I...uh...hmmm.....
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Um...yeah...ummm....
I...uh...hmmm.....
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My thoughts as well lol.
dinosaurman might want to start another post and hope it does not get side tracked again.
By the way dinosaurman GREAT post and I look forward to reading more from you in the future.
QUOTE(MObigfoot @ Nov 14 2005, 01:41 PM)
I also know of six encounters in which the sasquatch have kidnapped women and had babies with them.
Ummmm....'kaaaayyyyyyyyyy....
This is a momentous occasion!! Never have I seen 3 members here...speechless(in a row).
QUOTE(MObigfoot @ Nov 14 2005, 07:41 PM)
I also know of six encounters in which the sasquatch have kidnapped women and had babies with them. Orangutan will assault women, but to my knowledge the difference in chromosomal numbers does not allow for a child to be born of such an incident. That was an outright attack, not a kidnapping, taking elsewhere and then mating with. It was lack of self control.
There is an incident in my study area where the female retrieved a dead infant she'd left hidden and she was chasing away the man who was in the area. You can research ancient societies and see that in a great percentage that when a woman has an unacceptable child, a dead child, multiple births, or whatever reason it's unacceptable that the child is left to the elements in a place far from the home. This is done by the mother, or another woman. I believe that she came back, afraid of the baby being discovered. And knowing how I felt after having my children, I'm quite sure my reaction would have been the same as hers.
There is an incident in my study area where the female retrieved a dead infant she'd left hidden and she was chasing away the man who was in the area. You can research ancient societies and see that in a great percentage that when a woman has an unacceptable child, a dead child, multiple births, or whatever reason it's unacceptable that the child is left to the elements in a place far from the home. This is done by the mother, or another woman. I believe that she came back, afraid of the baby being discovered. And knowing how I felt after having my children, I'm quite sure my reaction would have been the same as hers.
I'm sorry - You just crossed a huge threshold there.
Please feel free to email me and point me in the direction of the evidence for orang-utans sexually assaulting human females - until then, you have yanked your last chain on this forum.
Six encounters? Why are you so privildged to be blessed with six of the most outlandish sasquatch encounters on the planet?
Sooner or later, they all show their true colours.
Why didn't I see this post sooner?
There were so many of them... I can see how you could miss one.
hi teresa arsquatch yes ive been hearing there has been alot of sasquatch activity in oklahoma forests resently. thats becouse its winter now the creatures are looking for food resources & caves etc to keep warm therefore they will be seen more by hunters. thanks bill . sidenote how is your broken arm doing i hope it got all better. please keep in touch ok. :bf: :flagusa:
NOOOOOOOWWW I see what thread finally did it!
Can I please ask everyone to drop the subject when someone is removed from this forum?
What purpose does it serve to harp on about it in a 'I told you so' fashion?
What purpose does it serve to harp on about it in a 'I told you so' fashion?
QUOTE(dinosaurman @ Jun 18 2005, 09:02 AM)
Hey guys here is the first report from my findings in a new research are here in NE OK. We will be researching here 1-2 times per week and I will post more significant info as it happens.
NE Oklahoma Unknown Primate Research
Preliminary Report
June 17, 2005
Background- The purpose of this trip is to prove the existence of an unknown primate commonly known as Bigfoot or Sasquatch in a remote location in northeast Oklahoma. The weather for this particular trip was sunny, with the occasional cloud and was 83 degrees. Before our arrival into the location it had rained about 2/10s of an inch that morning and 1 inch the night before. Despite this rain we found that the forest floor had dried enough to still make distinctive, typical noise usually associated with walking through forests.
Location- A large wildlife management area in NE Oklahoma and surrounding lands. The total research area is in excess of 45,000 acres of sparsely inhabited terrain, with the majority of our research being conducted on 14,000 acres of the WMA, which is uninhabited except for the state caretaker. This area is a 30 minute drive from my house, due to terrain and lakes, yet is only 6 1/2 miles at its closest to my house.
Terrain- This is area is a part of the foothills of the Ozark Uplift and consists of steep hills, deep gullies (hollars), rocky crags, lush hardwood bottom and the occasional plateau. The general soil composition is a dark loamy soil that has a high content of small limestone and mudstone rock. Many of the roads are not lending to the possibility of finding footprints due additional gravel added for traction and their compactness, yet the areas off of the roads have a less compacted soil, which would allow for a better possibility of finding footprints. Additionally elevation readings were taken and ranged from 770 ft to 1,152 ft. A few of the hollars observed were in excess of 250 ft deep, many having 60 deg.+ sidewalls.
Flora and Fauna- The ecology of the area is an oak, hickory and pine forest that consists of hardwood bottoms, hardwood mix, large stands of pine and upland prairie. An extensive survey of the makeup of the flora was not preformed but the following trees were observed in abundance; northern white oak, northern red oak, post oak, black oak, chinkapin oak, black walnut, pecan, bitternut hickory, white ash, american sycamore, common hackberry, black locust, redbud, american basswood, shortleaf pine. Fauna observed this trip consisted of; white-tail deer, northern gray squirrel, fox squirrel, red-tailed hawk, common crow, turkey, blue tailed skink, many songbirds and plenty of ticks, chiggers and ants.
Research Methods- The methods used on this trip were driving, hiking and sitting in wildlife blinds. The majority of this trip consisted of driving the roads to get acquainted with the area. We did hike in a few of the hollars to better survey the terrain. Techniques used were observation, listening, tree thumping and vocalizations.
Evidence Found- No conclusive evidence of an unknown primate was found but a few interesting events did happen. These events did not occur until 2 hours into our research, with the last event happening 2 ? hours after our first incident. These incidents, while unusual, can possibly be explained away by other causes and therefore should not be viewed as solid proof for the existence of an unknown primate. I am classifying these incidents as possible evidence, until I can prove them either as not primate related or as primate behavior that is typical for this animal.
The first such incident happened at our first stop to hike. We had driven 4 miles, stopping occasionally and surveying the area, into the WMA and were approximately 7 miles from any house, aside from the WMA headquarters (3.5 miles away) and decided to hike into a hollar. We hiked for 200 yards and decided to sit and look into a draw and listen. About 5 minutes after we had sat down we heard the sound of footsteps walking away from us that appeared to sound like large bipedal footsteps. The cadence of the steps was like that of an adult human walking in a hardwood bottom at a slightly hurried pace. They started in the bottom about 45 yds east of our location and stopped abruptly 75 yards from us at the bottom of a steep hill (the vegetation in the hollar allowed for a clear visibility of 40 yds). We surveyed with our binoculars through gaps in the vegetation for movement or animals and saw nothing. About 6 minutes after the footsteps stopped, we heard a loud large thump that sounded like a large rock hitting the ground and then silence. The songbirds that I had heard behind me stopped singing momentarily after this happened and resumed a few minutes later. The interesting thing is the area this sound came from was not flat, but was high up on a 65 degree + incline so that any rock thrown would have rolled down making considerable noise. The source of this sound is still very puzzling to me, as I have never heard anything like it in the woods ever. I have heard similar sounds to this made by humans dropping 100 lb dumbbells onto the ground. After this we heard more footsteps until they faded away. We waited 15 minutes and hiked towards the general area of the sounds and found a few large rocks (40-200 lb range), yet saw no evidence that any had been disturbed. We then hiked a one-mile loop back to the truck, having no other events happen.
I doubt that what I heard was a person for many reasons, one of which is that the WMA worker informed me that this place is void of human activity from Feb-Oct. Another is the fact that the remoteness of the location where I was someone would have had to walk to this location 7 miles from the closet road. My first thought is that what we heard was an animal walking from the bottom (we were about 45 feet higher than the bottom) up onto the hill to get a better look at us. The slope that it would have climbed was steep, rocky and was generally void of debris and leaves due to a fire that had occurred last year. I believe that it was slowly making its way up the steep slope and had slipped off of a rock causing the noise, or had caused a rock to slip and fall into tree. Considering that we only heard this one sound and then silence, this is my best guess as to what we heard. It would stand to reason that if this sound had been made in an attempt to warn us to stay away that more sounds would have been heard.
The second incident we had driven on the WMA roads, approximately 2 miles from the area of our first incident and decided to stop on top of a hogback and try more tree thumping (we had tried at 5 other locations with no response). We hiked 100 yards from the truck and waited for 10 minutes. I struck a small white oak (8? diameter) with my stick 3 times. Immediately after the 3rd strike we heard a loud ?woof? sound about 400 yards south of our location. It was not like a woof a dog would make but was more like a deep breathy ?huh? sound. After this we waited 5 minutes I snuck to a tree 20 yards further up hill and struck it 3 times and waited. This time in a more southeasterly direction we heard footsteps approximately 75 yards away, which was across a hollar. We also heard what appeared to be one slight thump on a tree from the vicinity of the footprints. After this we thumped 2 more sequences at 5-minute intervals, each time hearing footsteps in the distance, seemingly getting further away. We did 2 more thumping sequences and had no answer, no footsteps and no other sounds.
The third incident occurred 1/3 mile from our second incident. We were heading home as it was 1 hour before dark and decided to stop one more time, as we were on the other side of the ?woof? sound that we had heard previously. We waited about 10 minutes, and this time I had my son try a vocalization he has mastered fairly well. The vocalization was a high-pitched ?oooohh-aaahhhh? sound we have heard in some possible Sasquatch recordings. He did this three times in sequence and then we waited. From the direction of our 2nd incident and approximately the same location we heard a response that sounded very similar, only higher pitched, less human sounding and louder in volume. We walked the road towards the response, listening and observing. I had him do 3 more vocalization sequences each 3 minutes apart. We got a return vocalization on the 1st of these two sequences, but it appeared to be getting further from our location. After the 3rd vocalization sequence and know response we decided to head to the truck. I had my son do one more of his vocalizations at the truck and I did 2 more tree thumping sequences and got no further responses.
We decided to head to on to the house, satisfied with our first day preliminary findings. Our research will continue in the area 1-2 times per week for the remainder of the summer. Each time we will be searching new areas (mostly on foot in the future) and trying new research techniques.
One additional note is that we found one tree break about six feet up, near a road on a small white oak. This break could have occurred from many possible sources, yet was found in an area between the 1st and 2nd incident. We also on the way out of the WMA we found a large shortleaf pine, approximately 2? diameter, that had a place of bark clear off 6 inches wide and 3 feet long starting 5 feet high. I examined for claw marks and found none, but examination did prove that it was not from mechanical sources.
We will be compiling our findings each trip into a field research notebook and will post any significant findings that we have in the future.
Justin Cottrell
NE Oklahoma Unknown Primate Research
Preliminary Report
June 17, 2005
Background- The purpose of this trip is to prove the existence of an unknown primate commonly known as Bigfoot or Sasquatch in a remote location in northeast Oklahoma. The weather for this particular trip was sunny, with the occasional cloud and was 83 degrees. Before our arrival into the location it had rained about 2/10s of an inch that morning and 1 inch the night before. Despite this rain we found that the forest floor had dried enough to still make distinctive, typical noise usually associated with walking through forests.
Location- A large wildlife management area in NE Oklahoma and surrounding lands. The total research area is in excess of 45,000 acres of sparsely inhabited terrain, with the majority of our research being conducted on 14,000 acres of the WMA, which is uninhabited except for the state caretaker. This area is a 30 minute drive from my house, due to terrain and lakes, yet is only 6 1/2 miles at its closest to my house.
Terrain- This is area is a part of the foothills of the Ozark Uplift and consists of steep hills, deep gullies (hollars), rocky crags, lush hardwood bottom and the occasional plateau. The general soil composition is a dark loamy soil that has a high content of small limestone and mudstone rock. Many of the roads are not lending to the possibility of finding footprints due additional gravel added for traction and their compactness, yet the areas off of the roads have a less compacted soil, which would allow for a better possibility of finding footprints. Additionally elevation readings were taken and ranged from 770 ft to 1,152 ft. A few of the hollars observed were in excess of 250 ft deep, many having 60 deg.+ sidewalls.
Flora and Fauna- The ecology of the area is an oak, hickory and pine forest that consists of hardwood bottoms, hardwood mix, large stands of pine and upland prairie. An extensive survey of the makeup of the flora was not preformed but the following trees were observed in abundance; northern white oak, northern red oak, post oak, black oak, chinkapin oak, black walnut, pecan, bitternut hickory, white ash, american sycamore, common hackberry, black locust, redbud, american basswood, shortleaf pine. Fauna observed this trip consisted of; white-tail deer, northern gray squirrel, fox squirrel, red-tailed hawk, common crow, turkey, blue tailed skink, many songbirds and plenty of ticks, chiggers and ants.
Research Methods- The methods used on this trip were driving, hiking and sitting in wildlife blinds. The majority of this trip consisted of driving the roads to get acquainted with the area. We did hike in a few of the hollars to better survey the terrain. Techniques used were observation, listening, tree thumping and vocalizations.
Evidence Found- No conclusive evidence of an unknown primate was found but a few interesting events did happen. These events did not occur until 2 hours into our research, with the last event happening 2 ? hours after our first incident. These incidents, while unusual, can possibly be explained away by other causes and therefore should not be viewed as solid proof for the existence of an unknown primate. I am classifying these incidents as possible evidence, until I can prove them either as not primate related or as primate behavior that is typical for this animal.
The first such incident happened at our first stop to hike. We had driven 4 miles, stopping occasionally and surveying the area, into the WMA and were approximately 7 miles from any house, aside from the WMA headquarters (3.5 miles away) and decided to hike into a hollar. We hiked for 200 yards and decided to sit and look into a draw and listen. About 5 minutes after we had sat down we heard the sound of footsteps walking away from us that appeared to sound like large bipedal footsteps. The cadence of the steps was like that of an adult human walking in a hardwood bottom at a slightly hurried pace. They started in the bottom about 45 yds east of our location and stopped abruptly 75 yards from us at the bottom of a steep hill (the vegetation in the hollar allowed for a clear visibility of 40 yds). We surveyed with our binoculars through gaps in the vegetation for movement or animals and saw nothing. About 6 minutes after the footsteps stopped, we heard a loud large thump that sounded like a large rock hitting the ground and then silence. The songbirds that I had heard behind me stopped singing momentarily after this happened and resumed a few minutes later. The interesting thing is the area this sound came from was not flat, but was high up on a 65 degree + incline so that any rock thrown would have rolled down making considerable noise. The source of this sound is still very puzzling to me, as I have never heard anything like it in the woods ever. I have heard similar sounds to this made by humans dropping 100 lb dumbbells onto the ground. After this we heard more footsteps until they faded away. We waited 15 minutes and hiked towards the general area of the sounds and found a few large rocks (40-200 lb range), yet saw no evidence that any had been disturbed. We then hiked a one-mile loop back to the truck, having no other events happen.
I doubt that what I heard was a person for many reasons, one of which is that the WMA worker informed me that this place is void of human activity from Feb-Oct. Another is the fact that the remoteness of the location where I was someone would have had to walk to this location 7 miles from the closet road. My first thought is that what we heard was an animal walking from the bottom (we were about 45 feet higher than the bottom) up onto the hill to get a better look at us. The slope that it would have climbed was steep, rocky and was generally void of debris and leaves due to a fire that had occurred last year. I believe that it was slowly making its way up the steep slope and had slipped off of a rock causing the noise, or had caused a rock to slip and fall into tree. Considering that we only heard this one sound and then silence, this is my best guess as to what we heard. It would stand to reason that if this sound had been made in an attempt to warn us to stay away that more sounds would have been heard.
The second incident we had driven on the WMA roads, approximately 2 miles from the area of our first incident and decided to stop on top of a hogback and try more tree thumping (we had tried at 5 other locations with no response). We hiked 100 yards from the truck and waited for 10 minutes. I struck a small white oak (8? diameter) with my stick 3 times. Immediately after the 3rd strike we heard a loud ?woof? sound about 400 yards south of our location. It was not like a woof a dog would make but was more like a deep breathy ?huh? sound. After this we waited 5 minutes I snuck to a tree 20 yards further up hill and struck it 3 times and waited. This time in a more southeasterly direction we heard footsteps approximately 75 yards away, which was across a hollar. We also heard what appeared to be one slight thump on a tree from the vicinity of the footprints. After this we thumped 2 more sequences at 5-minute intervals, each time hearing footsteps in the distance, seemingly getting further away. We did 2 more thumping sequences and had no answer, no footsteps and no other sounds.
The third incident occurred 1/3 mile from our second incident. We were heading home as it was 1 hour before dark and decided to stop one more time, as we were on the other side of the ?woof? sound that we had heard previously. We waited about 10 minutes, and this time I had my son try a vocalization he has mastered fairly well. The vocalization was a high-pitched ?oooohh-aaahhhh? sound we have heard in some possible Sasquatch recordings. He did this three times in sequence and then we waited. From the direction of our 2nd incident and approximately the same location we heard a response that sounded very similar, only higher pitched, less human sounding and louder in volume. We walked the road towards the response, listening and observing. I had him do 3 more vocalization sequences each 3 minutes apart. We got a return vocalization on the 1st of these two sequences, but it appeared to be getting further from our location. After the 3rd vocalization sequence and know response we decided to head to the truck. I had my son do one more of his vocalizations at the truck and I did 2 more tree thumping sequences and got no further responses.
We decided to head to on to the house, satisfied with our first day preliminary findings. Our research will continue in the area 1-2 times per week for the remainder of the summer. Each time we will be searching new areas (mostly on foot in the future) and trying new research techniques.
One additional note is that we found one tree break about six feet up, near a road on a small white oak. This break could have occurred from many possible sources, yet was found in an area between the 1st and 2nd incident. We also on the way out of the WMA we found a large shortleaf pine, approximately 2? diameter, that had a place of bark clear off 6 inches wide and 3 feet long starting 5 feet high. I examined for claw marks and found none, but examination did prove that it was not from mechanical sources.
We will be compiling our findings each trip into a field research notebook and will post any significant findings that we have in the future.
Justin Cottrell
Outstanding job Justin!!!
Man this thread got whacked . I have no good updates yet. The WMA closed for hunting season(s) in September and I have been striking out everywhere else I have looked. I have found some killer arrowheads and fossils on private land where I have been looking.
Maybe I should change my style, bigfoot might be looking for me when I go into the woods. This could really revolutionize things.....
. I have no good updates yet. The WMA closed for hunting season(s) in September and I have been striking out everywhere else I have looked. I have found some killer arrowheads and fossils on private land where I have been looking. Maybe I should change my style, bigfoot might be looking for me when I go into the woods. This could really revolutionize things.....
hi dinosaurman good evening i hope you go into the oklahoma forests this week etc to look for sasquatch evidence in areas where sasquatch activity is realy well known. please remember to bring camcorder or camera in the woods. do you set cams in the forests where activity is known. please keep us posted here. merry christmas bill :flagusa: p.s. i hope other oklahoma researchers here are finding sasquatch evidence as well. has sasquatch been mentioned on any oklahoma radio talk shows lately.
Have patience D-man, you're sitting on one of the national hotspots of recent activity, something will rear it's head sooner or later...
QUOTE(Paul1968UK @ Nov 29 2005, 02:32 AM)
QUOTE(MObigfoot @ Nov 14 2005, 07:41 PM)
I also know of six encounters in which the sasquatch have kidnapped women and had babies with them. Orangutan will assault women, but to my knowledge the difference in chromosomal numbers does not allow for a child to be born of such an incident. That was an outright attack, not a kidnapping, taking elsewhere and then mating with. It was lack of self control.
There is an incident in my study area where the female retrieved a dead infant she'd left hidden and she was chasing away the man who was in the area. You can research ancient societies and see that in a great percentage that when a woman has an unacceptable child, a dead child, multiple births, or whatever reason it's unacceptable that the child is left to the elements in a place far from the home. This is done by the mother, or another woman. I believe that she came back, afraid of the baby being discovered. And knowing how I felt after having my children, I'm quite sure my reaction would have been the same as hers.
There is an incident in my study area where the female retrieved a dead infant she'd left hidden and she was chasing away the man who was in the area. You can research ancient societies and see that in a great percentage that when a woman has an unacceptable child, a dead child, multiple births, or whatever reason it's unacceptable that the child is left to the elements in a place far from the home. This is done by the mother, or another woman. I believe that she came back, afraid of the baby being discovered. And knowing how I felt after having my children, I'm quite sure my reaction would have been the same as hers.
I'm sorry - You just crossed a huge threshold there.
Please feel free to email me and point me in the direction of the evidence for orang-utans sexually assaulting human females - until then, you have yanked your last chain on this forum.
Six encounters? Why are you so privildged to be blessed with six of the most outlandish sasquatch encounters on the planet?
Sooner or later, they all show their true colours.
Why didn't I see this post sooner?
SgtFang
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On the ape rape thing, as far as I know, it wasn't Jane, but a cook working for her friend Birute Galdikas, in Sumatra. It was an orang that did the deed.
"Online Magazine" article
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The most astonishing incident resulting from the aggressive tendencies of Galdikas's ex-captive orangutans took place when an ex-captive male named Gundul attacked a Dayak woman who was working as a cook at Camp Leakey. In Reflections of Eden, Galdikas describes how she tried in vain to pull Gundul away. She continues, "I began to realize that Gundul did not intend to harm the cook, but had something else in mind. The cook stopped struggling. 'It's all right,' she murmured. She lay back in my arms, with Gundul on top of her. Gundul was very calm and deliberate. He raped the cook. As he moved rhythmically back and forth, his eyes rolled upward to the heavens."
As in Yeager's story of Rico's attack, Galdikas, in her reaction to the rape, seems almost unbelievably blas. "Gundul was behaving like a normal subadult orangutan male," she writes. "Nonetheless, his behavior was worrisome.
Mobigfoot's orangutan sexual assault comment was probably based on this article by Bobbie Short.
Here's another story about the same occurrence. Longer article but quite interesting.
http://outside.away.com/magazine/0598/9805ape.html
http://outside.away.com/magazine/0598/9805ape.html
QUOTE(Six Rivers @ Dec 24 2005, 03:09 AM)
Here's another story about the same occurrence. Longer article but quite interesting.
http://outside.away.com/magazine/0598/9805ape.html
http://outside.away.com/magazine/0598/9805ape.html
Yes, that's an interesting article. It doesn't show the Orangutan Foundation International or its founder, Biruté Galdikas, in a very favorable light. Hopefully the OFI now has their act together.
The rape of the woman by the orangutan doesn't appear to be in dispute, but wild orangs are not the concern. According to the article, the wretched animals that are taken from the jungle as infants and raised as pets are the ones most likely to suffer emotional distress and developmental disruption; these are the individuals that subsequently demonstrate dangerous abnormal behaviors. That being the case, such "ape rape" accounts hardly qualify as any kind of evidence in support of the contention that sasquatches have the potential to sexually assault humans.
hi oklahoma sasquatch researchers here has there been any new sightings or footprints strange sounds or other evidence of the oklahoma sasquatch creatures in the creeks and forests of oklahoma this week so far. please keep me informed ok. yes put night vision cameras in areas where sasquatch activity is realy known to accur oklahoma. bill
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