What a mess

i have herd this story before in this web site. i wish i could remember a title or such. there is a thread here i hope you can find it. it was at least 6 or more months ago.

When I read about bf killing people, they usually have limbs torn off or they were beaten to a pulp, and there's guns involved. There were even reports of Yowie which pull of people's heads.

1-Has anyone ever made a 1200 grain slug for .458? Most .458 bullets run in the 400-500 grain range. I'm thinking that a 1200 grainer would increase the COL to the point where it wouldn't cycle or even chamber in any 458 rifle ever built. Considering most bullets for the 50 BMG are in the 600-700 grain range, 1200 sounds more like something shot out of a 37mm AA gun to me.

2- Did Weatherby ever make a chambering for the .458, differing from the 458 win magnum?

3- What the hell is "Nitro Express" powder? I've never heard of this. Can't say I've spent any time reloading anything really exotic for dangerous game.

4- Why would the Yerkes Primate center be calibrating tranquilzer dosages for bison????

5- Why does the plane he chartered to fly into Happy Camp become a chopper on extraction??


Just thinking out loud........

The .460 Weatherby Magnum is based on the .378 Weatherby belted case necked up to accept .458" bullets. These are the same bullets used by the .458 Winchester Magnum.
I agree with your views regarding the bullet weight being not a rational size.
I have heard of Nitro Express rifles - but have also never heard of Nitro Express powder.
The story is very suspicious in my opinion.

OOOOKKKKKKKAAAAAYYYY!

That is a mess!

I am sure it could be made. Hell it might even fire out of a gun if loaded right. But chances are it would give one hell of a kick beyond anything made today. Also chances are it would need to be used very short range as it would arc like a rain bow.

I have a couple questions tumbling around in my head...

1. Anyone know when infrared film for a handheld 16mm camera became available? Was it prior to 1969?

2. Why would the Yerkes Regional Primate Center base the tranquillizer dosage on a bison? Wouldn't they be more knowledgeable about gorilla dosages?

3. Why, if there were "quite a few people" in Happy Camp, a pilot of a helicopter, and the police involved, hasn't another witness/informant come forward?

Notice the credibility rating of 0?

RayG

There was a thread about this some time ago. It was concluded that the story was a load of fertilizer, based on such details as the gun. Do you have any idea how long a .458 bullet would have to be to weight 1200 grains? Too long to fit the chamber of any gun chambered for .458. There were several other factors. The report is full of it.

This is one of those stories for which the title "bullshit" is quite appropriate. As was mentioned several times, no .458 Wby. mag. It is either a .458 Win. Mag. OR .460 Wby. Mag. 1200 grain bullet would not leave much room for powder, and would have an unbelievably poor trajectory, as stated above. You also mught not want to fire it from the shoulder. Also, what kind of police force would investigate a death like this and not suspect the survivor? The police investigator took pictures of the crime scene from the air, but didn't want to step foot on the ground? No gathering of evidence? I have never been involved in Law Enforcement, but it puzzles me that an officer or a detective would do that. My BS meter is not too sensitive, I guess, but this story has it pegged.
BSF

Just what I was thinking!

I was briefly involved in it and I can tell you no forensics crew would behave as described in this story.

Wow, I feel like I have arrived today in the BFF as being an Old-timer since I remember this topic before.

Bullet weight is astronomical. I will admit I have never shot anything over a .338 Mag however I have read many stories of professional hunters in Africa and know that a 1200 grain bullet is absurd for that calibur. I recall the largest double rifle I've read about was the .700 Nitro Express which fired a roughly 700 grain bullet and was more than adequate for Elephant.

As far as a 10 gauge shotgun being used. My father used to fish Kodiak Island for silver salmon and told me of the locals favorite anti-bear gun. This being a 12 gauge shotgun with buckshot (size of shot I do not recall, probably the standard double-odd). He described to me how at close range this load would just "devistate" a bears head. Translation... A bloody pulp. I'm not one for bf being supernatural and this load would be more than adequate for a bf.
10 gauge > 12 gauge so you decide for yourself.

The story seems to be patooey. On a happier note I fished near Happy Camp on the Klamath river when I was a kid. That was the first time I really heard about BF due to some local signs and stuff. Did I ever tell my experience of being kidnapped and raised in a cave with a bf family?

We need Huntster in this thread, as his Alaskan bush experience would be very useful.

If I'm incorrect, please correct me... "Nitro Express" is an old term for older hunting calibers with extra powder added. It comes from pre-Magnum days, in the golden age of big game hunting. Nowadays, the term "Magnum" is used for souped up calibers.

The hunters of the time wanted extra oomph for their rifles, as they found that the older pwder that was used (we're talkin late 1800's - early 1900's) in their rifles wasn't up to snuff for rhinos, cape town buffalos, elephants, and other humongous animals.

Nitro Express rifles still exist, though most are collectible pieces. I think they might still be made by custom order gun shops, but the cost is high.

This misuse of the term, and the ignorance of the bullet weight of a .458, also make me belive this story is false. If it isn't false, then the writer has taken some embellishment liberties with it.

Edited for spelling boo-boo's.

I'd been running through the reports on that site and came across that one and thought why would they post such a load...full 'O' :bs:

Gosh darnit, you all beat me to the punch I'm gettin slow in my old age!
As stated above way too many holes in this story... :bs:

You are correct. The guns originated when black powder was the only gun powder. Due to its slow burn rate, modern velocities simply aren't possible with it. The only way to increase killing power is to use humongous bullets and prodigious powder charges. In the muzzle loading era they used guns as big as 8 or even 4 gauge that weighed in excess of 20 pounds. These were called express cartridges. When modern "smokeless" powder came along, the name was upgraded to Nitro Express due to modern powder containing nitro cellulose.

You can always tell a bullshit report when the writer spends more time obsessively describing his guns and firepower than he does the the actual bigfoot "sighting".

-Ray

Yeah, and what happened to the great film they got, presumably ripped apart in the attack? :rolleyes:

The dog ate it -along with their homework.

Nobody wants to hear about me being kidnapped by bf?

It all started when I was carrying a 2 gauge shotgun at the age of 9 years old. I was hunting moose in california......

That is most definately quote worthy.

Hey lewdogg21 - I want to hear your kidnapping story. in 1979, I too was kidnapped by a family of bigfoots, but I killed the largest one, and escaped from the rest while they were distracted chewing on bazooka gum. I lost my rifle loaded with buckshot and my digital video camera while trying to drag the dead bf out of the wilderness of Philadelphia. He was too heavy and I gave up. By the way, I was 11 at the time.

I was raised around a family of Bigfoot.


Wait, no, that was just my hillbilly cousins and uncles.

Whike we're on Ibfs:

http://www.internationalbigfootsociety.com...ort.php?id=1051

While 10 gauge shotguns were popular in the black powder era (due to the kick with smokeless powder, pleople dropped back to the more manageable 12 gauge for most hunting) the rest of the story is really not believeable. The police would have returned in force to check out the scene. And there would have been some attempt to recover the remains. Besides the helicopter charter company would have had (required by the F.F.A.) records of the charter. I'm more likely to believe in the Killer Rabbit from Monty Python's Search for the Holy Grail than in this report.

OOoooo


Lanterns and guns...

see what happens?


dont do it

I'm such an amateur. Sure I thought it was cattle digestive byproduct when I got to all the gun detail, but my first choice of avenues of debunkery were to 1) find out if in September of 1969 it rained for 6 days in the Siskiyou National Forest, and 2) try to find birth or death records for one John Syrrell of New York. (In retrospect I shouldn't have thought this useful. After all, "He never would say just where, and I didn't ask.")

Another thing I might have thought of at some point or another:

Contact Yerkes. Were they, in 1969, in the habit of providing citizens with large amounts of animal tranquilizers? (Looking at the history section of their website, I was surprised to find that Yerkes was in existence in 1969. The person who wrote the story did his or her homework.)

Limbs mistaken for bloody clumps of grass? A leg (the right leg mind you) embedded in a tree? Damn. Those bigfeet must think we're supernatural in origin. Why else would they be so thorough? Even after reducing the naked ape to slurry they feel they must twist its boomstick into a curlycue.

A ghost story.

I'm not sure how true these accounts are, but I do know one thing for sure; with most animals - fish, chickens, ducks, bear, etc. If you mess with their kids, momma or sometimes poppa will attack you like there's no tomorrow.

That might explain the mutilple shotgun reports. The first probably came about when Mr. Syrrell found that he had blundered his way in between a female grizzly and her cub(s). Were grizzlies still in CA in '69? Not any more.

No sooner had he taken down the mother bear did he realize a much more dangerous foe had closed in on him. But Bigfeet, being bulletproof, survived the blasts, collected the bear carcass (it's all they really cared about anyway since each of their equally bulletproof kids outweighed this clumsy hairless mutant and his noisy sticks), and got the hell out of their because they knew they too would be done in by the animal Mr. Syrrell should have been the most worried about.

The duck. Conisdering that your average duck is going to have more than two offspring in her care, her response to a perceived attack on her ducklings is going to be proportionally greater, turning what is otherwise aplacid, somewhat comical waterfowl into a feathered killing machine. Hearing the racket caused by an enraged duck tearing through the brush with her razor-sharp bill, Mr. Syrrell was probably expecting a menace with a higher profile. Naturally he missed and probably spent the last few seconds of his life wishing the bear had mauled him instead.

Just another fantic story, sensationalized to draw attention to the author and their desire to prove they had contact with Bigfoot. Sadly it does more to hurt the view of Bigfoot to the general public than we think. Hopefully we will discover Bigfoot scientifically soon, so all these urban legends will disappear.

Amen to that, D-man !

Did anybody else notice that the victim had time enough to get off twelve, count'em, twelve rounds from a double barreled shotgun? That's quite a span of time. What exactly are we to conclude that the creature(s) were doing during this fusillade? Bobbing and weaving until they finally got tired of toying with Mr. Syrrell and decided to put an end to this hairless nuisance?

This is a hoax, this Jackson Moore also reported that in San Diego county that a man name john and this fellow went to investigate a sighting or tracks and that night John went to relieve himself and disappeared into thin air, he called the police they brought out indian trackers and got scared and left this guy is not doing our cause any good at all.

Hairless nuisance. I guess they finally got tired of being pelted with shots. I hear those things are worse than mosquitoes!

Even my BS detector is going off loud and clear with this report. At least it was entertaining ... although a tad messy.

I wonder what the guy is up today still writing fake reports about killer bigfoot or if he has moved on to something else like claiming his friends were eaten by a chupacabra.