RavenBC
Jun 10 2005, 02:38 PM
I read this last night and thought it interesting, in light of the BFRO's new stance that Bigfoot have their own spoken lanquage.
http://www.bfro.net/GDB/show_report.asp?id=11656QUOTE
Report # 11656 (Class A)
Submitted by witness J. W. on Tuesday, May 10, 2005. Couple Has Early Evening Encounter Near Stumpy Meadow Reservoir
YEAR: 2004
SEASON: Winter
STATE: California
COUNTY: El Dorado County
LOCATION DETAILS: the dam or reservoir, what ever you call it, has a road running over the top of it. coming from gorgetown going to loon lake you would start going over the dam before you cross it you go over the spillway. a big cement canal runs down the back of the dam down into a cannel. on side has a shear face the other has an access road leading down along the spillway to the bottom. a maintenance road you might say. but at the top of the road has a gate with a lock. but its enough to park a car of the road. if a ranger came we would of surly gotten a ticket.
NEAREST TOWN: Georgetown
NEAREST ROAD: Wentworth Springs Rd.
OBSERVED: i went fishing with my girlfriend at stumpy meadows last winter. we been up their about five days out of the week. early in the morning we would arrive try to get the line in the water as much as possible. the rest of the time i would be looking for gold. we mostly stuck around the dam and the spillway. my gold fever and wanting to catch a trout with my fly poll got me to wonder down along the spill way. the hole time i couldn’t shake the bad filling i had well we had. it was the hair on the back of your neck being watched felling. i was at the vary bottom of the spillway in the middle of the stream standing on a rock fishing. my girlfriend was about twenty feet away panning. she said something lick lets get otta here something’s watching us. i told her i was catching it for awhile now to. so we climbed out of our little spot and onto a service rode that ran along the spillway. the hole time rubbernecking left right and especially behind us .some thing was putting the creep on us and was getting closer. we were walking as fast as you could without running or looking like you were scared sh**liss .but we both knew if one or the other broke and made for the car you might be last. so we held our ground and walked as casually as could be. i informed her that something was up on the other side of the spillway the hole time we were their watching us. and it was keeping pace with us as we made our way up the steep road. the thing behind us came from down bellow us on the same side of the stream and it was following just far enough not to be seen. we would stop it would stop. im a native american from auburn, and some of my relatives live in foresthill. and ive spent many nights with my cousins hunting though hills. I’ve been followed by mountain cities a couple times. so i know the experience when that’s the case. this was not the case sadly, if you were there you could say sadly, i would much rather a cat follow me somehow. but just in case it was a cat driving us or not. i told her to lock and load. that usually does the trick for the hiby jibys but not this time. the things present made my firearm fill like it was a rubber band and folded paper, and extra weight for when she bolted before me to the car. the last twenty feet to the car was easy. the thing had stopped about seventy feet before the car i stood watch as she loaded the car in record speed. a inflatable two man canoe four fishing poles ice chest, tackle, fit in the back set of my camero some how in thirty seconds. we pulled out of the entrance way and on to the road in the middle of the dam. it was dark by now no cars nothing all day. we got out to gather ourselves and unload and put away the pistols, while she did that i walked back towered the spillway something big and black came up and around the spillway and up the other side of the hill were the other thing was. i was about one hundred feet from were they were. i didn’t feel the fear as before. in a gap between some cwaycky brush one large thing and two smaller things followed. i yelled “hey” loudly. the things gurgled some what back at me. they kept this up as they walked up over the hill from me. it was some what like four quick gereag gereag gereag gerags, than lick two than a couple more. than they some what repeated the same sequence again. all the while walking up over the crest of the hill, into the darkness. it reminded me of a mother giving me a tongue lashing or her children one after a close call. well thats what i related it to, but what was fact is it was talking something. im not to certain on the right number of individual words there were but it definitely was in some sort of sentence structure, stopped than repeated again.
ALSO NOTICED: just the similarities in the conduct of how they waited for the one lone thing to catch up. how you could say they were waiting for the other to catch up. this is after i seen the other two already up on the other side. the one that followed us was smaller than the one with the big one. at the time it was following us but it appears that it was just making its way up and around the spillway to were the others were waiting for it and definitely the way it talked in sentences or in a structured manner over and over not continually but stop for a second than started over again what sounded the same thing again.
OTHER WITNESSES: there was no one else. maybe a camper on the other end of the dam in the parking lot ,about seven hundred feet down the dam
OTHER STORIES: yes i have. after this im not sure how long, but i was listening to art bell about bigfoot recordings some guy made of these things that (was) supposed (to be) of bigfoot. it was the same words. I recall them words because thats what they were. not how they made some kind of sentence but the individual gurgle like talk. it was the same thing. same sounds. the recordings didnt have the structure but definitely the same sounds.
TIME AND CONDITIONS: i was late in the day when things got worse to the point were we had to leave was getting dark fast the sun was just bellow the hills on the horizon. when we pulled out into the middle of the dam it was dark you cold see things in deep blue thought.
ENVIRONMENT: forest, pine trees manzaneta and what i call qayky brush, its this tree that has bright green leaves not tall but bushy with gray bark.
Follow-up investigation report by BFRO Investigator Robert Strain:
Following a telephone conversation with this witness, the following details can be added to the report:
- The witness reported a foul odor in the area prior to the sightings. He reported the smell as "the smell of feet."
- He reports the larger form higher on the hillside to be the size of "a portable outhouse."
- He also reports seeing something cross the road and join the others before they all disappeared over the ridge and out of sight.
The witness shared another experience with me from about 12 years earlier. The witness stated he was deer hunting with his family in an area nearby this location in the early morning hours when he and his cousin had an unusual experience.
He stated they were hiking to their deer stands near daybreak when they heard an animal coming down the embankment above them. Out of the thick brush emerged a deer that, in his words, appeared to be "drunk." He says the deer was staggering, walking sideways and looking behind him as if he were looking for something following him.
He stated even though the deer saw them, it began to come towards them while "bucking like a bronco." He stated the deer was hopping and bouncing and kicking up its rear legs while approaching their location.
As this was during open deer season, they shot and killed the deer and began to field dress it. Shortly after approaching the downed deer, they heard a very loud vocalization from the brush on the hillside above them. The witness described the sound as a "roar / growl that turned into what sounded like a woman screaming." He stated he had never before heard anything similar to that vocalization.
The witness then stated they began hearing what sounded like very large tree branches being broken and snapped off, along with a violent thrashing sound. He stated large, broken off tree limbs were thrown from the brush above them down towards them.
He also reported there were very large rocks thrown in their direction from the hillside above them as well. He says they were obviously thrown over the top of the thick brush and all landed very close to them. He stated the size of the rocks varied from grapefruit size to watermelon size.
It was at this point they decided to abandon the deer kill and evacuate the area and they left immediately. He says they did not return to attempt to retrieve the deer, nor have they returned since then.
About BFRO Investigator Robert Strain:
Robert Strain is an Investigator in Northern California.
Chewy
Jun 10 2005, 05:48 PM
I'd fell so much butter if the peepull reporting sightings wood lurn to spill. Butt that's jest me.
Neat report, other than that. Makes one wonder. We've read of bird-speech, growls, ancient Indian languages, and now, gurgling. Hmmm. Very interesting. Not sure what to make of it.
billkirbywofb
Jun 10 2005, 06:29 PM
Problem is that since there was no recording of the vocalization of this report, we are dependent on peoples discriptions. And their definition of "gurgling" may not be the same as mine or yours definition of gurgling. :help:
EmpireStateBloke
Jun 10 2005, 06:58 PM
QUOTE(Chewy @ Jun 10 2005, 05:48 PM)
I'd fell so much butter if the peepull reporting sightings wood lurn to spill. Butt that's jest me.
Neat report, other than that. Makes one wonder. We've read of bird-speech, growls, ancient Indian languages, and now, gurgling. Hmmm. Very interesting. Not sure what to make of it.
Gurgling? Gargleing more like. If you smell like wet dog you should at least gargle a little listemint.
SASTUOLCO
Jun 10 2005, 06:59 PM
A good report with the exception of the speaking part. I never have heard what I thought was a big foot but I seriously doubt they have a language. I have the Sierra sound recordings and I have my doubts about it being legit JMO
Hairy Man
Jun 10 2005, 08:25 PM
This is one of the best reports I have ever read. I too have interviewed witnesses that have had rocks thrown at them and they all say the same thing: whomever was throwing the rocks could have hit them, but didn't.... Obviously in this case, the rock thrower was more interested in the deer and wanted the hunters to leave.
I think we are all getting hung up on the word "language"....all animals communicate...birds sing, dogs bark, etc. All those sounds have meaning to others in the same species. Being able to understand each other doesn't mean it has to be complex.
The Sierra sounds document sounds from something. It's clear to me that it is some form of communication. Is it complex? No, and I wouldn't use the term language to describe it either. But it is communication. I think that is all this report was trying to convey.
SOFoggy
Jun 10 2005, 09:10 PM
QUOTE(Hairy Man @ Jun 10 2005, 08:25 PM)
This is one of the best reports I have ever read. I too have interviewed witnesses that have had rocks thrown at them and they all say the same thing: whomever was throwing the rocks could have hit them, but didn't.... Obviously in this case, the rock thrower was more interested in the deer and wanted the hunters to leave.
I think we are all getting hung up on the word "language"....all animals communicate...birds sing, dogs bark, etc. All those sounds have meaning to others in the same species. Being able to understand each other doesn't mean it has to be complex.
The Sierra sounds document sounds from something. It's clear to me that it is some form of communication. Is it complex? No, and I wouldn't use the term language to describe it either. But it is communication. I think that is all this report was trying to convey.
Precisely.
belleoftheball
Jun 10 2005, 09:58 PM
I'm glad someone was able to make out what was being said.
52Tele
Jun 10 2005, 10:51 PM
Hate to say it but the language of the witness made it VERY hard to understand what the heck happened. Grammar and spelling..don't they teach that in schools anymore? Read about half of it and decided to try again tommorrow...
Kudos to those that can interpret it.
Hairy Man
Jun 10 2005, 11:19 PM
I believe he said he was Native American. I would bet he grew up on a reservation and sometimes you don't have access to the best of schools. Cut him some slack...I'm sure he did the best he could.
sosha
Jun 10 2005, 11:32 PM
Ya know...all animals have some form of communication that we can sometimes understand if we make an effort and sometimes not. Dolphins and Whales clearly commmunicate...and we cannot understand them...yet we can teach them our form of communication and make them do stupid tricks....
Communication can be verbal or non verbal...cats say a lot with their bodies without making a sound...dogs too. But when they growl we all know what that means.
This guy obviously saw something and tried to communicate it as best he could. We never know what a persons circumstances are...just because some of us had the benefit of a nice education and maybe a brain that functions properly doesn't mean there aren't hundreds of people out there who may have learning disabilities or are not the best typists.
It is a good story. I'd like to go up there and check it out someday.
WillinYC
Jun 11 2005, 03:46 PM
This is an interesting story, but I don't think it's anything more than that. I've got serious doubts that this event happened at all. The area in question is very much like the individual in question describes it. The outlet stream from Stumpy flows out of a pipe to provide continual flow making a perennial, year round stream. There's also a mechanism to provide higher volume flows under runoff releases and for water sales. The "stream bed" is highly channelized and highly scoured. The streambed is composed of mainly larger bolders that have a high degree of embeddedness, with almost no smaller substrate since it has all been washed out of the area via the mechanism of downstream sediment transport with no chance of gravel replenishment because of the dam. This makes for a very sterile stream with a very limited inventory of aquatic biota. As a result, the stream does not support a good fish population. It does have a smaller population of generally very small, stunted fish. Even in the dead heat of summer when the lake is drawn down, the water in the stream remains painly cold to the degree that even the slower moving portions of the stream do not grow algae or vegetation, because the discharge pipe draws from somewhere near the bottom of the reservior. This leads to very sluggish fish even in the summer months. Catching a single, small fish here, is a hard sell, even for an experienced flyangler in the more optimal fishing conditions in the summer months. I"m having a difficult time believing that a newbie fly angler that refers to a flyrod as a"fly pole" would have much success here at anytime let alone in the dead cold of winter. I also believe it's illegal to fish here until the general trout opener, which doesn't occur until the last week in April. It also creates a condition where there simply isn't much to pan in the way of gold.
Regardless of the individual's level of experience in either fishing or gold mining, I'm finding it hard to believe that any individual doing either would take all day to arrive at the conclusion that this simply is a poor place for either activity. Let alone would state they had spent 5 complete days in this particular spot. Unless something has drastically changed in this stream over the last decade, this one smells like BS to me.
Saskwatcher
Jun 11 2005, 03:59 PM
Will,
Is this a spot you've been to ?
flycatch
Jun 11 2005, 04:27 PM
Am I the only one who saw all the ingredients of a hoax. This report could be real however all the things necessary to make it real where included. Most reported sightings are missing minor details. I could be wrong but this individual used every available source to make it a real happening.
He included vocalalization, smell, visual impressions and compressed this into a believable story.
Ocoee
Jun 11 2005, 05:27 PM
I read this one late at night, and I was coping with all the misspellings till I got to this part:
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I’ve been followed by mountain cities a couple times. so i know the experience when that’s the case. this was not the case sadly, if you were there you could say sadly, i would much rather a cat follow me somehow. but just in case it was a cat driving us or not. i told her to lock and load.
I may have been tired, but I kept wondering what he meant by being "followed by a mountain city." Then I figured out that he meant "kitty."
I also liked this part:
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i stood watch as she loaded the car in record speed. a inflatable two man canoe four fishing poles ice chest, tackle, fit in the back set of my camero some how in thirty seconds.
His girlfriend loaded all that by herself? Wouldn't it have taken less time to do it together? And I thought his girlfriend was the one with the gun, since he told her to "lock and load." I guess he meant, "Load" the car?
I don't know. . . it is very visual, but he keeps talking about how dark it was at the same time. I'm unclear whether he ever got as good of a look as it seems, or if he just sensed what he was seeing:
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when we pulled out into the middle of the dam it was dark you cold see things in deep blue thought.
That is rather poetic, but somewhat unclear.
Terry
Jun 12 2005, 08:40 AM
QUOTE(flycatch @ Jun 11 2005, 04:27 PM)
Am I the only one who saw all the ingredients of a hoax. This report could be real however all the things necessary to make it real where included. Most reported sightings are missing minor details. I could be wrong but this individual used every available source to make it a real happening.
He included vocalalization, smell, visual impressions and compressed this into a believable story.
Teenager...
t.
Saskwatcher
Jun 12 2005, 10:23 AM
"Schooooool's out
for Summer !"
A. Cooper
SFork1015
Jun 12 2005, 11:35 AM
Although it seems hoaxy... Aren't there reports where sasquatch mimic sounds and words to lure pets... I read that somewhere... I think it was from Thom Powell's book. I really can't remember.
When i hear about a Sasquatch talk... I think of the end of "Harry and the Hendersons"
Just my opinion - Sean
Redwolf
Jun 12 2005, 11:36 AM
QUOTE(sosha @ Jun 10 2005, 09:32 PM)
Ya know...all animals have some form of communication that we can sometimes understand if we make an effort and sometimes not. Dolphins and Whales clearly commmunicate...and we cannot understand them...yet we can teach them our form of communication and make them do stupid tricks....
Communication can be verbal or non verbal...cats say a lot with their bodies without making a sound...dogs too. But when they growl we all know what that means.
This guy obviously saw something and tried to communicate it as best he could. We never know what a persons circumstances are...just because some of us had the benefit of a nice education and maybe a brain that functions properly doesn't mean there aren't hundreds of people out there who may have learning disabilities or are not the best typists.
It is a good story. I'd like to go up there and check it out someday.
Excellent points Sasha. I think in some of the threads mentioning communication, people seem to be assuming that human speech is the only form of communication. All animals communicate, to various extents.
In regards to the rock throwing incident. I took a report out of S. Oregon a few years back that described rocks being thrown towards a young man mowing property for a vacationing family. I thought it interesting that the young man's father initially sent in the report and told me that the kid was actually hit by the rocks. When I interviewed the young man, he told me that the rocks never hit him but came close. It was one of my favorite interviews because the kid was far more relaxed and analytical about the situation than the dad. Both nice guys though. The young man did catch a glimpse of whatever threw the rocks.
Whatever threw the rocks wasn't aiming to hurt the person, just make them leave.
Oh, and the rocks were coming from a different direction than what would have been kicked up by a mower.
I learned a long time ago not to automatically discount a report based on spelling or grammar mistakes. It is frustrating to read them, but on several occasions, I have found these reports to be more honest and credible than those written perfect form. The witness is concentrating on getting his/her thoughts across and sometimes they are nervous or excited when thinking back on the event. There has also been the occasional witness who contacts me after the report has been published and asks me to please correct their spelling.
It all comes down to the actual interview and if you find the witness credible or not regardless of grammar or spelling.
Redwolf
LaurieB2851
Jun 12 2005, 12:39 PM
I just started looking at this thread and have to finish reading your discussions, but I had just listened to a recording from the BRFO site that really intrigued me. I wasn't prepared to create a new thread because I didn't think others would be as intrigued with it as myself (and has likely been heard 100's of times already by all of you, but I just noticed it). This recording sounded like a distinct language being used and the individual recording is trying to respond in kind. I think it's very easy to tell which is the supposed "sasquatch and which is the individual doing the recording. Here's the recording:
http://www.bfro.net/avevid/SierraSounds/911.asp#sammy
LaurieB2851
Jun 12 2005, 12:47 PM
QUOTE
Communication can be verbal or non verbal...cats say a lot with their bodies without making a sound...dogs too. But when they growl we all know what that means.
Sometimes hubby & I need only to exchange a glance towards one another and we can read the other's thoughts.
LaurieB2851
Jun 12 2005, 12:55 PM
QUOTE
I read this one late at night, and I was coping with all the misspellings till I got to this part:
QUOTE
I’ve been followed by mountain cities a couple times. so i know the experience when that’s the case. this was not the case sadly, if you were there you could say sadly, i would much rather a cat follow me somehow. but just in case it was a cat driving us or not. i told her to lock and load.
I may have been tired, but I kept wondering what he meant by being "followed by a mountain city." Then I figured out that he meant "kitty."
I also liked this part:
QUOTE
i stood watch as she loaded the car in record speed. a inflatable two man canoe four fishing poles ice chest, tackle, fit in the back set of my camero some how in thirty seconds.
His girlfriend loaded all that by herself? Wouldn't it have taken less time to do it together? And I thought his girlfriend was the one with the gun, since he told her to "lock and load." I guess he meant, "Load" the car?
I don't know. . . it is very visual, but he keeps talking about how dark it was at the same time. I'm unclear whether he ever got as good of a look as it seems, or if he just sensed what he was seeing:
QUOTE
when we pulled out into the middle of the dam it was dark you cold see things in deep blue thought.
That is rather poetic, but somewhat unclear.
I had just not more then 15 minutes ago was reading this new posting. I too wondered what "cities" were. I had to laugh about your observation. The picture of the poor woman being the only one to run around and load up the car while he watched was priceless also!
HuntFish
Jun 12 2005, 04:01 PM
To shoot this report down base on fishable waters isn't doing anything for me.
Found this:
"Stumpy has a good holdover population of rainbows and browns. Annually the DFG plants the reservoir with 10,000 catchable rainbows, 2,000 catchable browns and 10,000 brown trout fingerlings. Stumpy's trout run smaller than those at French Meadows and Hell Hole yet fish in the 4-pound range are common. Much larger browns cruise the lake and are occasionally caught. The mouth of Pilot Creek traditionally produces Stumpy's biggest browns."
http://www.californiagameandfish.com/fishi..._02/index2.htmlSeems there could be any number of fish down stream if there was a "continual flow" ???
I like this line... "The witness described the sound as a roar / growl that turned into what sounded like a woman screaming." ...caught me.
Gee4orce
Jun 13 2005, 08:31 AM
It's clearly an attempt at a primitive form of communication - there are words in there, I just can't work out what they are because the spelling is so bad.
Sorry - that's a very non-PC joke. I"m sure the witness hasn't had the best education. I'm all for hearing reports as they are submitted, 'in their own words' as it were. But in this case, I think a bit of spell correction would be good, and a few paragraphs wouldn't go amiss either.
Guy
Jun 13 2005, 08:35 AM
"we were walking as fast as you could without running or looking like you were scared sh**liss .but we both knew if one or the other broke and made for the car you might be last. so we held our ground and walked as casually as could be."
Well, which was it? Were they walking as fast as they could or as casually as could be? At any rate, I'm sure the creatures were just trying to bum some garlic off them...
LaurieB2851
Jun 13 2005, 08:39 AM
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Sorry - that's a very non-PC joke. I"m sure the witness hasn't had the best education. I'm all for hearing reports as they are submitted, 'in their own words' as it were. But in this case, I think a bit of spell correction would be good, and a few paragraphs wouldn't go amiss either.
The thing is though - most of what he used for words were actually words and would creep right on by the spell check. For example: where he used "cities" for "kitties."
Hairy Man
Jun 14 2005, 05:24 PM
Stumpy Meadows is an excellent place to fish! It is a well known place for fishermen to go.
I talked to the investigator and the witness was an adult. Remember, the gentleman is Native American and didn't have access to great schools. He did the best he could with grammar and spelling. I've seen worse, trust me! Hell, I seen worse on this board!
I actually know what the witness meant by causually running....I've done it. It's a half-walk, half-run type thing, where you pretend you aren't running and aren't scared, but in reality, you are... I don't know how to explain it, but I think I understood what he meant...I think!
LaurieB2851
Jun 14 2005, 05:40 PM
QUOTE
talked to the investigator and the witness was an adult. Remember, the gentleman is Native American and didn't have access to great schools. He did the best he could with grammar and spelling. I've seen worse, trust me! Hell, I seen worse on this board!
My hubby spells horribly and he actually feels bad about it so I don't even mention it to him. When he asks how to spell something I am more then happy to spell it for him. He's a smart man about a lot of things. Some people just aren't into the spelling thing. I find the less I read, the worse my spelling is. I don't think too much on the spelling of this report - I tried to get what I could out of it. There were a few things I wondered about (cities versus kitties), but otherwise it was rather entertaining. Aside from the spelling, I don't think his writing skills were too bad actually.
Spikeace
Jun 14 2005, 06:56 PM
Interesting story! Is it believable? Depends a lot on if you have ever had a bigfoot encounter. I notice a vast majority of the sceptics in this forum have the word NO or NOT SURE in the encounter section of their profiles. I really don't understand the attraction by such sceptics. Unless it's just to discourage everyone. I have seen and been communicated with by bigfoot's. (hows that for grammr?) I have heard them and seen trees busted off above human reach. I have been told by them where I will and will not be allowed to go in the area I have seen them. Don't belive me? That's because you don't know. And chances are YOU never will. They don't let just anybody see them.
Guy
Jun 14 2005, 07:51 PM
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I notice a vast majority of the sceptics in this forum have the word NO or NOT SURE in the encounter section of their profiles. I really don't understand the attraction by such sceptics. Unless it's just to discourage everyone.
I'm here because I find the bigfoot phenomenon interesting. I accept the possibility of their existence. I'm interested in discouraging falacious thinking and encouraging critical thinking.
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I have seen and been communicated with by bigfoot's. (hows that for grammr?) I have heard them and seen trees busted off above human reach. I have been told by them where I will and will not be allowed to go in the area I have seen them.
How did they do this? How do you know it was communication and not something else? How do you know it was a bigfoot? How do you know the tree didn't just fall down or get blown down in high wind?
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Don't belive me? That's because you don't know.
I accept the possibility you had this experience, but I won't accept is as fact just on your say-so. No offense, but critical thinking involves things a bit more substantive than taking the word of an anonymous person on the internet.
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They don't let just anybody see them.
In other words, I'll see it when I believe it?
JayleeD
Jun 14 2005, 08:57 PM
QUOTE(Spikeace @ Jun 14 2005, 07:56 PM)
Interesting story! Is it believable? Depends a lot on if you have ever had a bigfoot encounter. I notice a vast majority of the sceptics in this forum have the word NO or NOT SURE in the encounter section of their profiles. I really don't understand the attraction by such sceptics. Unless it's just to discourage everyone. I have seen and been communicated with by bigfoot's. (hows that for grammr?) I have heard them and seen trees busted off above human reach. I have been told by them where I will and will not be allowed to go in the area I have seen them. Don't belive me? That's because you don't know. And chances are YOU never will. They don't let just anybody see them.
Sorry dude, but that is just too far out for me to even consider. If you'll notice I have "YES" in my encounter profile. I saw the sucker full on for a good amount of time and he didn't tell me squat. Either he was not in the mood to communicate, or I wasn't especially receptive that morning.
DTK, here's your second one.
LaurieB2851
Jun 14 2005, 10:54 PM
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Sorry dude, but that is just too far out for me to even consider. If you'll notice I have "YES" in my encounter profile. I saw the sucker full on for a good amount of time and he didn't tell me squat. Either he was not in the mood to communicate, or I wasn't especially receptive that morning.
Jaylee, you know I'm with you on that score! The UFO aspect is way too far out for me as well. Way too many encounters by people who were not told anything by the creature they saw. While plenty of people have experienced some pretty profound things through the ages - they cannot be attributed to bigfoot/sasquatch. I have corresponded with someone on the forum that has spoken to me about footprints that end, but he just doesn't know why and hasn't been able to figure it out. I think the idea spooks him out as much as it does the rest of us. Right now it is too much for us to comprehend as we don't even know much about the basic things regarding bigfoot/sasquatch. First things first. The rest will come later if it's meant to.
Spike, I know you think you have the world by the tail - but you would do well to consider the fact that other people have experienced things you have not experienced. The fact that you may have experienced something no one else has does not mean you know all there is to know about life. Trust me, there's much more to learn. To me, the thought of knowing everything there is to know bores me silly. I look for new and exciting learning experiences every day of my life and when they come up I'm like an excited little kid. Give me that anyday over knowing all there is to know.
Ocoee
Jun 14 2005, 11:46 PM
QUOTE(Hairy Man @ Jun 14 2005, 07:24 PM)
Stumpy Meadows is an excellent place to fish! It is a well known place for fishermen to go.
I talked to the investigator and the witness was an adult. Remember, the gentleman is Native American and didn't have access to great schools. He did the best he could with grammar and spelling. I've seen worse, trust me! Hell, I seen worse on this board!
I actually know what the witness meant by causually running....I've done it. It's a half-walk, half-run type thing, where you pretend you aren't running and aren't scared, but in reality, you are... I don't know how to explain it, but I think I understood what he meant...I think!
I understood the part about "casually running." That is something I can easily visualize.
And I understand about the bad spelling skills! My father couldn't spell anything - he always had my mother write things for him.
But when you are reporting something online, it is about communicating what you saw. If you want people to believe you or understand what you've been through, you need to be very clear and edit a little bit as you go.
I've read lots of reports on BFRO that were dictated to someone so they could type it up properly. Heck, I do that for my husband all the time when he needs to write an e-mail.
If I was the person who interviewed this guy, I would have asked some questions to clarify his report and maybe cleaned up the spelling a little bit, just to make it more understandable. I don't know if they are allowed to that.
billgreen2005bigfoot
Jun 14 2005, 11:52 PM
i hope ca sasquatch researchers here can do a very indept research follow up investigation to this sighting. maybe do a expedition to the sighting location with cameras to look for any possible sasquatch evidence. please keep me posted. also im sure the bfro is doing a follow up to it. thanks bill green
LaurieB2851
Jun 14 2005, 11:56 PM
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If I was the person who interviewed this guy, I would have asked some questions to clarify his report and maybe cleaned up the spelling a little bit, just to make it more understandable. I don't know if they are allowed to that.
I'm thinking it gets typed by the person experiencing the report via the website's reporting form. Even still, I would think they had the option to clarify some of that before having it be a final report on-line.
billgreen2005bigfoot
Jun 15 2005, 12:11 AM
QUOTE(LaurieB2851 @ Jun 15 2005, 05:56 AM)
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If I was the person who interviewed this guy, I would have asked some questions to clarify his report and maybe cleaned up the spelling a little bit, just to make it more understandable. I don't know if they are allowed to that.
I'm thinking it gets typed by the person experiencing the report via the website's reporting form. Even still, I would think they had the option to clarify some of that before having it be a final report on-line.
hi laurie i totaly agree with post about this sasquatch sighting. this eyewittness should try to go back to the sighting location and take photos of the area. also the eyewittness should try to draw a sketch of what he saw. like i said before the bfro should do a follow up to this sighting to get total truthfull interview with the eyewittness. my opinion . bill green
LaurieB2851
Jun 15 2005, 02:20 AM
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hi laurie i totaly agree with post about this sasquatch sighting. this eyewittness should try to go back to the sighting location and take photos of the area. also the eyewittness should try to draw a sketch of what he saw. like i said before the bfro should do a follow up to this sighting to get total truthfull interview with the eyewittness. my opinion . bill green
Hi Bill! You're absolutely right. We were just talking about maybe they should have helped him a little on his spelling because some things we had a hard time trying to figure it out. I don't know if they look at it or not before they put it on-line. I thought it was a very good report and enjoyed it.
Teresa
Jun 15 2005, 06:46 AM
A little something on illiteracy in America. It isn't new, it isn't rare and it isn't declining, matter of fact, functional illiteracy is on the rise.
http://firstbook.org/about/factsonilliteracy.shtmlhttp://www.broometiogaliteracy.com/facts.htmhttp://www.articlesfactory.com/articles/ed...in-america.htmland finally:
http://www.literacyvolunteers.org/To help you might try these sites:
http://www.literacyvolunteers.org/giving/https://commerce1.cera.net/rrcna/sections/home/gift.aspThe BFRO doesn't edit very many witness statements for spelling or typos. We don't rewrite them either unless a witness asks us to. If we did, every report in the database would sound almost identical with good spelling and grammar. It is the BFRO's stance to allow the witness to say what they have to say in their own words, to give their own account of their experience. Otherwise, we'd run the risk of being accused of changing reports or manufacturing them ourselves since they'd all sound identical with no errors. There are some witnesses who realize all too well they are unable to spell and/or type, and apologize profusely for it, and ask us to clean up their spelling errors and sentence structure.
As Laurie said, her husband doesn't spell well and feels bad about it. I would venture to guess most people who cannot spell, write, or type well, do feel bad about it. Some are downright ashamed of their inabilities. Most of the reports that are dictated to investigators are verbal reports over the telephone where a report was not submitted to the database or a face-to-face conversation with a witness who hasn't submitted a report. You run into someone at a market or something who recognizes you are a researcher and they want to tell you about their experience. A lot of people simply don't have computers. I've had as many as five computers at one time, but there are those who don't, and wouldn't know how to operate one if they had one. I know many people like that.
Personally, this thread has made me want to volunteer my time to help the functionally illiterate in my area by teaching them to read and write. I'll let you know how that's going.
WillinYC
Jun 15 2005, 06:59 AM
QUOTE(HuntFish @ Jun 12 2005, 04:01 PM)
To shoot this report down base on fishable waters isn't doing anything for me.
Found this:
"Stumpy has a good holdover population of rainbows and browns. Annually the DFG plants the reservoir with 10,000 catchable rainbows, 2,000 catchable browns and 10,000 brown trout fingerlings. Stumpy's trout run smaller than those at French Meadows and Hell Hole yet fish in the 4-pound range are common. Much larger browns cruise the lake and are occasionally caught. The mouth of Pilot Creek traditionally produces Stumpy's biggest browns."
http://www.californiagameandfish.com/fishi..._02/index2.htmlSeems there could be any number of fish down stream if there was a "continual flow" ???
I like this line... "The witness described the sound as a roar / growl that turned into what sounded like a woman screaming." ...caught me.
Stumpy is a reservoir that was constructed for water storage. The perennial stream is part of the licensing agreement similar to most reserviors that are constructed for water storage/sales. The outflow in the summer is maybe 30 cfs. It's a trickle. I stand by my original statement that anyone that's been there would have a hard time believing that any individual claiming they spent the entire day(let alone 5 days), dawn till dusk at this location fishing/panning for gold would find this aspect of this account hard to believe. Stumpy might be a good fishing location but the stream IMHO is a waste of time.
Another aspect of this account that is questionable is the timing(i.e. winter). Stumpy isn't an Alpine lake but it has to be at about the 4500-5000ft level, well above the snowline. From memory it's about 20-25 miles from Georgetown. The road to Stumpy typically wasn't plowed until about mid April. I would encourage anyone actually thinking about following up on this one to at least contact the USFS office of the El Dorado Nat'l forest and ask if it's even feasible that anyone could have even gotten to the spot in question. 530-622-5061
530-642-5122
dude
Jun 15 2005, 11:54 AM
Hello,
I am new to this forum and have been interested in the vocalizations of BF...There has been a report by a woman in my local area about hearing an eery howling and as an ambulance with the siren approached the howling began to mimc the ambulance until it passed out of ear shot...Just thought I owuld add my two cents
dude
Jun 15 2005, 12:54 PM
One more random comment from a newbie.
You people are ruthless! Now I realize that every subject, and topic of interest has its fair share of elitists.
In the words of Rodney King" Can't we all get along?'' :blacknblue:
utahdude
Jun 15 2005, 01:20 PM
QUOTE(dude @ Jun 15 2005, 11:54 AM)
One more random comment from a newbie.
You people are ruthless! Now I realize that every subject, and topic of interest has its fair share of elitists.
In the words of Rodney King" Can't we all get along?'' :blacknblue:
Frankly, I would hate to see this forum softened just so we can "all get along".
dinosaurman
Jun 15 2005, 01:24 PM
Hardcore all the way.
dude
Jun 15 2005, 01:27 PM
Hardcore via the internet
Blackdog
Jun 15 2005, 01:42 PM
No one is begging you to stay. You found your way in.....
dude
Jun 15 2005, 01:48 PM
Yea your are right. I thought this was going to be a chance to check out recent sightings and info.
JayleeD
Jun 15 2005, 02:58 PM
I think you'd be much happier with one of the websites of one of the bf orgs. if you're looking for recent sighting reports. As far as info goes, we've got more than most folks can handle.
rockinkt
Jun 15 2005, 03:51 PM
QUOTE(ARsquatch @ Jun 15 2005, 05:46 AM)
Personally, this thread has made me want to volunteer my time to help the functionally illiterate in my area by teaching them to read and write. I'll let you know how that's going.
Very commendable!
rockinkt
Jun 15 2005, 03:54 PM
QUOTE(dude @ Jun 15 2005, 10:54 AM)
Hello,
I am new to this forum and have been interested in the vocalizations of BF...There has been a report by a woman in my local area about hearing an eery howling and as an ambulance with the siren approached the howling began to mimc the ambulance until it passed out of ear shot...Just thought I owuld add my two cents
Canines are known to do that a lot.
LaurieB2851
Jun 15 2005, 04:15 PM
I truly love you guys!!!!!!!!!!
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