Very interesting article that Bobby Short had on her website. National Geographic Here are some interesting excerpts:

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Evidence for these giant chimpanzees collected by Ammann includes a photograph of a cadaver alongside the hunter that killed it and casts of some large footprints. The pronounced ridge, called a sagittal crest, on the skull that Ammann found in 1996 is thought to be formed to support large jaw muscles, an indication of large body size.

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"Giant chimpanzees occasionally occur here and there in the central and eastern subspecies, but evidence so far indicates that Karl [Ammann] may have a population of giants in his area," said Groves. "Presumably their giantism is relevant to their ground nesting behavior."

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Local hunters in the region added to the mystery when they told Ammann and his colleagues about two kinds of chimpanzees in the region. Normal chimps, so-called "tree-beaters," are easily killed with poisonous arrows when they feed in trees.

Another, large chimpanzee seldom climbs trees and does not succumb to the poison arrows shot by the hunters. Called "lion killers," these big chimpanzees flee through the thick forest and disappear when shot at by hunters.

I forgot Karl Ammann's website. He has a few interesting pics.

Wow Leeloo....

That's really interesting. Have to track this for future developments.

Some of the stuff they described sounds somewhat familiar... Flees from approaching hunters, aren't brought down by poison arrows... Huh...

Thanks for sharing it.

That is one big monkey.Great article Leeloo.

It's interesting that Karl Ammann's site (the "Bondo Mystery Ape" page) has Bigfoot/Yeti links at the bottom of the page.

Did you guys see the picture of the nests with the twisted limb formation?? Looks pretty familiar huh? (in the mystery Bondo ape pic series)

That's some damned exciting stuff! My favorite quote from NG:


Hmmm...sounds familiar! (Except for the skull part.)

Interesting site. I seem to remember discussion of a skull some months back (different site) similar to these, a largish chimpanzee with a sagittal crest. The thought of some kind of gorilla/chimpanzee hybridization. I will try to track that discussion down.

Kewl find Leeloo

Chimps and gorillas can NOT interbreed. Well, they can TRY, but cant produce any offspring. Its a species unto itself, this large chimpoid .. or is it really just a small gorilla ?

The photos of the 'bushmeat harvest' are a pretty good example of why Sassies keep the hell away from people

-robo

I doubted interbreeding, it was a speculation of the discussion and odd things do happen from time to time.

I tried to find the topic again but everytime it eluded me, I tried clearing my mind, thinking distracting thoughts but it was too wily for me.

Call me stupid, but I can't find the pic of the giant chimp. Can anybody point me to a direct link? Tank U

Hey GG, sorry, I couldn't find that link either...

But I did find this:

http://www.dailytelegraph.co.uk/news/main....09/ixworld.html

Ya gotta love elephants!!!

It was at the bottom of LeeLoo's post GG, try this
(same link) and you should be able to see pic's.
Very impressive article, and definitely one to point
out to people who claim that there "aren't any large
undiscovered animals left."


http://karlammann.com/

http://karlammann.com/images/bondo/deadchimp-200.jpg

http://karlammann.com/images/bondo/chimptr...apphoto-200.jpg

Thanks Howler! Yea, I didn't catch that before. Cool pics...... but very sad indeed.

Very sad indeed. Came across an article today presenting
information about the hazards faced by Africa's great apes,
from ebola virus to ending up on some "gourmet's" plate
in a big city. Unfortunately bushmeat is an acceptable thing
to a great many people there.

We may very well witness the demise of most apes in the
wild in our lifetimes...

Agogwe' ? wonder if these are responsible for some of the African Bf reports ?

I'm afraid you may be right...

You have a right to be Howlingmad...

I am also...

And they say humans are the intelligent ones...

At least they eat it for food. I am sickened by the chinese that consume endangered species because they think it will make them more virile . Like rhino horn. And their logic is, 'well, you can't prove it does not work'. Maybe SARS is nature's revenge.

Hey Branded, I got a problem with what they eat for food. I don't care about their aphrodisiacs. It's downright scarey when you think about it. It's not like they care a lot about endangered species. Or any for that matter!

I live in Albany Oregon. The Willamette river runs right through it. At it's headwaters it's the prettiest, cleanest, cold water stream in the world. Starts with snow runoff up in the beautiful high Cascades. It's absolutely beautiful. Till it gets to Eugene anyway.

From there on it runs the gauntlet of pulp and paper mills. Through Albany, Salem, Oregon City, to where it dumps into the Columbia. Then runs 100 miles to the ocean. You get near Portland and all you see on the banks of the river are Vietnamese. Every beach, every slough. And they're fishing for anything they can catch. Any species. Just for food. I only have one problem with that.

The Willamette has just about every known species of game fish known to man. Bass, Smallmouth and largemouth up tp 10 pounds. We used to float the catch and release sections of the river and catch Cutthroat trout up to 6 or 7 pounds. Salmon and steelhead. Perch, crappie, sturgeon, catfish, carp. About everything you could imagine. But they say it's just for food. It's subsistence, the same arguments the indians use.

The only problem is that from Eugene and downriver right it the game regulations it gives severe toxic warnings about eating ANY kind of fish. I used to be a recreational gold panner. About half the time I'd be panning out a bucket of concentrates at home and find b*lls of mercury from old mining operations. Mercury poisoning. Not to mentions the effects of all those chemicals those mills supposedly don't dump in there. Half them fish would glow in the damn dark! I had to hit my retriever in the head one time I as out hunting along the river because I didn't want him picking up that wierd looking pheasant I shot. They're doing studies in the lower river about why fish are being born with birth defects?? OK, that'll keep em busy spending my tax money for 10 years anyway

What I'm trying to say is those Eastern cultures are a whole differant game. If it comes out of the river we eat it. Or if we can catch it on land it's the same. Like they're gonna care about an endangered species? Not a chance! They'd bar-b-que a sas in a heartbeat. Just like the neiborhood dogs

thats really heart breaking that people would destroy nature that way from toxic waste to killing endangered species.I mean if people in the past would have gave a damn,think of some of the wonderful wildlife that might be here today.And even worse think of what might not be here in the future.Thats why I took up with TWRA,just to do my share in whats right..tennessee hills

just checked this out on the NG site-yes I am behind the times thanks to new hours at work. Looks like even more proof that unknown primates can exist even at this late stage in human exploration of the planet. Makes the case for BF even more plausible.