Feel free to shoot me if this has been discussed before, I couldn't find it.
Why have all references to the Manitoba footage been removed from BFRO? Not even a sighting report in the database?
I suspect either of two reasons: the footage has been deemed not credible by BFRO, or (as I suspect) someone who wants to have a monopoly on all things Bigfoot (MM) got his feelings hurt by not being asked (paid) to run an expedition with cameras rolling.
What others reasons are there to remove all references to this encounter?
Fire away.
Full Version: Why No Mention of Manitoba Footage on BFRO
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One word...WHOOPS!!! 
Because is one of the worst blobsquatches ever !!! 
I think Harry put it very eloquently......'foot in mouth' syndrome....again 
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See.....that's where he falls short (again) of being a "scientific" organization. ("The Only Scientific Organization Probing the Bigfoot Mystery")
A scientific organization discloses all findings objectively, good, bad or indifferent.
I think it's a wannabe media and tourism company leveraging the good work of many volunteers.
I wish a real, open scientific organization will be formed to display all findings, objectively, in a central clearinghouse web based database for all to analyze and opine.
He just needs to remove the claim of being a scientific organization.
A scientific organization discloses all findings objectively, good, bad or indifferent.
I think it's a wannabe media and tourism company leveraging the good work of many volunteers.
I wish a real, open scientific organization will be formed to display all findings, objectively, in a central clearinghouse web based database for all to analyze and opine.
He just needs to remove the claim of being a scientific organization.
Why would it be there? 
It's all here...
J/k folks
Yup!
Belle
It's all here...J/k folks
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One word...WHOOPS!!!
Yup!
Belle
But they promised? 
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You won't need to watch A Current Affair to find out about their daily "expediton updates".
On this web page we'll post daily updates about their daily updates, so you can keep track of them more easily.
You won't be missing any interesting new footage if you don't catch their updates. If they actually do get something good on tape while they are up there, then you can bet you'll hear loads of hype about it long before it airs on the show. They won't just show new footage in an update piece. They'll make a big deal out of it.
Until that day comes, we'll be able to brief you on their promised, daily progress bulletins, or the lack thereof.
On this web page we'll post daily updates about their daily updates, so you can keep track of them more easily.
You won't be missing any interesting new footage if you don't catch their updates. If they actually do get something good on tape while they are up there, then you can bet you'll hear loads of hype about it long before it airs on the show. They won't just show new footage in an update piece. They'll make a big deal out of it.
Until that day comes, we'll be able to brief you on their promised, daily progress bulletins, or the lack thereof.
It's a second WHOOPS! to remove it altogether. They should have just buried it with a disclaimer that their investigator "talked to the people involved, who had nothing further to add to the contents of the original report." Let the reader decide as they usually do. 
They must have removed comment on it. It was there. Matt Moneymaker after viewing the video wrote comments on it. I remember reading them. I am surprised there is no mention of it in the sightings by region. I look at it this way, If the guy had no camera and just reported what he saw to BFRO, it would of been just as believable, just as credible as any of the other class A reports on BFRO, and it would of been listed on the recent reports. But because the video was very poor, the guy has been shuned by Bigfoot enthuesiest, and his story ignored, even though there is not one piece of evidence he made the story up, or faked the video.
I worry that a person may not want to submit any video unless it is sharp as a tack the way this guy has been treated, and that ridiculas, because there may be something we can learn from even a bad piece of film. A little something, but something. So I say unless someone can provide proof he faked it, then lay off him, and give his story as least as much credibility as the other class A's on BFRO without film.
I worry that a person may not want to submit any video unless it is sharp as a tack the way this guy has been treated, and that ridiculas, because there may be something we can learn from even a bad piece of film. A little something, but something. So I say unless someone can provide proof he faked it, then lay off him, and give his story as least as much credibility as the other class A's on BFRO without film.
QUOTE(seadog @ May 12 2005, 09:05 PM)
So I say unless someone can provide proof he faked it, then lay off him, and give his story as least as much credibility as the other class A's on BFRO without film.
What happened to "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." ?
Are we back to a negative/negative arguement? "Claimant" can't prove his claims, but insists anyone who doesn't believe or accept them must prove they are false?
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But because the video was very poor, the guy has been shuned by Bigfoot enthuesiest, and his story ignored, even though there is not one piece of evidence he made the story up, or faked the video.
That maybe true for some here and at the BFRO. But there are alot more people who have spoken up for Mr. Clark.
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unless someone can provide proof he faked it, then lay off him, and give his story as least as much credibility as the other class A's on BFRO without film.
I take it you're talking to the BFRO? Again, there is only a handful here who has stated or hinted that it may have been faked... And again, I will remind you, a lot more has spoken up for Mr.Clark. I applaud them..... :clap:
Belle
One thing here we have to remember,Clark sent the video out to try to have it enhanced before he released it.If he faked the thing that would be the last thing he would want to do.JMO
The Manitoba page is still on the BFRO website
http://bfro.net/news/manitoba_footage.asp
And yes, it does sound like Matt Moneymaker is very bitter about the way 'A Current Affair' has treated BFRO, and the story in general.
This is my favourite part of Moneymaker's rant:
I think we can all agree that Mr. Moneymaker did a fantastic job of associating the BFRO with the "sleaziest sex-and-violence driven tabloid affairs program in America" - well done!
Here is the rest of the web page, just in case it gets taken down over at the BFRO website....
I thought this was interesting:
I'm not aware of Brett Hudson holding a gun to Bobby Clarke's head and forcing him to sign over the footage for their two shows - according to the Clarke family, they had offers from everyone, including MSN.
You take the money, you make your choice.
http://bfro.net/news/manitoba_footage.asp
And yes, it does sound like Matt Moneymaker is very bitter about the way 'A Current Affair' has treated BFRO, and the story in general.
This is my favourite part of Moneymaker's rant:
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"It's not an "expedition" even by the loosest definition of the word. It is a low-brow tabloid program's cheapest attempt to make you tune in to more shows. They don't care about anything else. They will fake whatever they need to in order to provide titillating updates. This TV genre is all about spending as little money as possible to grow the ratings.
Do not expect any integrity from A Current Affair. It is not a news program. They are the not "the media". They are the sleaziest sex-and-violence driven tabloid "affairs" program in America."
Do not expect any integrity from A Current Affair. It is not a news program. They are the not "the media". They are the sleaziest sex-and-violence driven tabloid "affairs" program in America."
I think we can all agree that Mr. Moneymaker did a fantastic job of associating the BFRO with the "sleaziest sex-and-violence driven tabloid affairs program in America" - well done!
Here is the rest of the web page, just in case it gets taken down over at the BFRO website....
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Updates, News Videos, and Newspaper Articles
* Friday May 7, 2005 -- Quoting another web site: "Ruehl, the crackpot in the Frank Buck hat, portrays himself as bizarre, eccentric moron whacking the air with a stick yelling 'may the cosmos be with you.' [He] promises the Manitoba Village of Norway House will show him a clump of sasquatch hair. ...Then, as the nutcase continues his stick whacking at imaginary things in the air, we are told to 'stay tuned' ..."
If you are in the U.S. and you saw this broadcast, and you happen to have friends on the Norway House Cree Reserve in Manitoba, do call them and tell them what Current Affair is actually saying and showing about them.
Current Affair is taking advantage of the fact tha"t the Cree cannot receive the American broadcast. The tribe may be told or shown something different than what is actually being broadcast in America.
If there is a video crew on the Cree Reserve gathering background footage for these sham updates, then the Cree are within their rights to confiscate their vehicles and equipment and make them leave immediately.
Bobby Clark and the Cree tribal council are hoping to do something beneficial for the tribe with this video. They hope to license it to other television production companies, or sell DVDs with the full footage and comparitive images included. That potential is being chipped away, day by day, by Brett Hudson, among others, as he makes a mockery of the footage, the Wetigo, and the Cree, every day on American television.
Please call or email the Norway House Cree Nation and describe to them what they are not able to see for themselves on television.
* Update - Friday afternoon, May 6, 2005 - The first Current Affair episode, which showed some portions of the footage, can be viewed at (an anonymous web site):
http://64.70.39.65:80/bigfoot_2_small.wmv
* Update - Friday, May 6, 2005 - A Current Affair's first "expedition update" was shots of the "expedition team".
Only one of the people in the "expedition team" is actually going up to Manitoba -- the unit producer Brett Hudson.
Dr. Reuhl, the "anomalist" from Glendale (the "footage of the century" guy), was shown as one of the three expedition team members, but he is not in Manitoba with Hudson. Neither is the scantily clad, 40-something, blonde chick with the chainsaw ... The scene of the three of them walking in the woods "in Manitoba" was filmed in Los Angeles. Notice the palm tree in the background.
It's not an "expedition" even by the loosest definition of the word. It is a low-brow tabloid program's cheapest attempt to make you tune in to more shows. They don't care about anything else. They will fake whatever they need to in order to provide titillating updates. This TV genre is all about spending as little money as possible to grow the ratings.
Do not expect any integrity from A Current Affair. It is not a news program. They are the not "the media". They are the sleaziest sex-and-violence driven tabloid "affairs" program in America.
If they need to hoax some footage themselves in Manitoba, they'll do it, especially if the New Jersey office likes the idea. If they have to embarrass the Cree Nation for the sake of ratings, they will do it in a heart beat.
The Norway House Cree may only be thinking only of positive exposure for their community, but they are now at the mercy of tabloid executives in Los Angeles and New Jersey who have less than zero journalistic integrity.
The Cree cannot easily see the American version of A Current Affair, so they may be falsely assuming that it is a respectable program. The tribal council needs to see all these "daily updates" on Current Affair, supposedly taped on their reserve. Producer Brett Hudson already knows he will have to make big promises and even bigger excuses to gain the tribe's co-operation in the short term. He is buying time to keep the show's ratings up for his own career advancement.
The Norway House Cree tribal council should demand their own daily briefings from the Current Affair's "expedition team". The council should demand to know what they are doing each day, and what they plan to broadcast in America each day, and whether there is any modicum of truth to what they are saying or showing on television.
The Current Affair program will create impressions about the Cree Nation that won't soon be forgotten. The story of Bobby Clark's footage and its aftermath will become a permanent part of tribal history. The Cree Nation needs to take control of their history right now.
Even if the "expedition updates" do not mention or show any tribal members, the story in general is about the reserve territory and the animals in it. Anything and everything they will say, show or omit on TV is directly related to the tribe and the reserve, so the council must retain editorial control over the updates.
It should be plainly obvious by now to the Norway House Cree that they cannot rely on a Current Affair producer's assurances when it involves ongoing statements and coverage in televised mass media.
The council must keep an eye on this situation, and must make sure that Current Affair is honest in their updates.
It will be nearly impossible for Current Affair to be honest in their updates, because in an honest bigfoot expedition there won't be splashy new developments to report each day, even when you have a large, experienced group of bigfoot researchers searching a given area.
Brett Hudson will be cooking up and taping bogus or unsubstantive updates each day. Back in L.A. they'll package a lot of talk about what you might see on the next night's broadcast.
Again, their purpose is not a bigfoot expedition of any sort. It's only a gimmick to trick people to tune in again tomorrow.
To do anything meaningful up there, they would have to do two things that they definitely will not do:
1) spend lots of money on people and equipment, and
2) involve the assistance of tribal members or other non-tabloid people who will quickly realize what they are really doing, and object about the daily updates from the Cree Reserve being a total sham.
They may have spent a few thousand dollars to license the footage from Bobby Clark for a few broadcasts, but now they are decreasing the value of the footage day by day.
* Update - Thursday afternoon, May 5, 2005 - Newspaper Article - Toronto - GlobeandMail.com: Global and Mail journalist Oliver Moore gathered reactions to last night's airing. He incorrectly quotes a previously published, important comment about the footage :
Oliver writes:
"[The] director of the U.S.-based Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization, has viewed the video and says it points to 'a credible encounter.' In a statement on his organization's website, he says that the subject on the tape is either human or sasquatch, but adds that 'it is not clearly one or the other.'"
The sentence Oliver quoted (from this very this web page, above), does not say the "video" points to a credible encounter. The comment says the "full circumstances of this incident" point to a credible encounter.
The video and the full circumstances are two different things.
The determination about the full circumstances pointing to a credible encounter was made prior to anyone from the BFRO seeing the footage.
The determination could have been made even in the absence of seeing the footage.
The full circumstances relate to the identity of the cameraman, his activity, his position in the community, the terrain, the regional history of sightings, the chain of events following the incident, the reactions from local people who had saw the footage several times, and those who knew the cameraman well.
Those were the same circumstances that encouraged so many major news organizations to jump for this video. The story and the full circumstances pointed to a credible encounter.
Given all the interlaced circumstances, it is more likely than not, in many opinions, that Bobby Clark had a real sighting of a real sasquatch. It is less likely that he executed an elaborate scheme to create all these circumstances. Nor does it seem likely that he was a gullible target for a costume prank.
Among other things, given where the incident occurred and when it occurred, the figure Bobby described seeing, was more likely a sasquatch than a prankster in a costume.
Note: If an incident occurs at the same place in the future, those will be entirely new circumstances, because of the attention the location has received since Bobby's incident.
Bobby's video is not clear enough to clearly exclude either a human or a sasquatch.
The video does support his story about the circumstances of the taping, but the image of the creature in the video does not stand on its own, without a forensic work up, to eliminate a sasquatch or a human.
* Update - Thursday, May 5, 2005 - The Fox program "A Current Affair" aired the clearest portions of the Manitoba footage.
At the end of the segment the announcer mentioned an "expedition" to Manitoba. The announcer said a team was already in Manitoba ready to go into the woods. He claimed there would be daily updates about the team's progress from this point forward.
The BFRO is not involved in their Manitoba "expedition", nor was the trip planned at all.
The unit producer, Brett Hudson, is currently headed up to Norway House to meet with a 3-man video crew from New Jersey. So it's a four man "expedition" with no preparation or expert assistance.
On this web page we'll post daily updates about their daily expedition updates, so you can keep track of them more easily.
If they actually do get something interesting on video while they are up there, then you can bet you'll hear loads about it long before it airs. They definitely won't show new footage in a daily update blurb. They'll build the attention for it several days in advance. You can bet on that.
* Update - Wednesday, May 4, 2005 - The Manitoba footage will be broadcast tonight on "A Current Affair" on Fox Television in the U.S.
Canadians without satellite dishes will not be able to see the footage tonight. The web site for the TV program will show very brief clips of the footage beginning on Thursday.
To look up stations and times for the U.S. broadcast, click here. For the preview print blurb about the segment tonight, click here.
* Update - May 3, 2005 - Newspaper article from the reporter who seems to be following this story most closely: Dawn Walton of the Toronto Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com). Click here for her most recent article.
* Update - May 2, 2005 - The Fox Television program A Current Affair has licensed (i.e. not purchased outright) the Manitoba footage for two broadcasts. Both broadcasts will be the same installment of the program. The footage will likely be airing sometime this week, but that is not certain, according to the folks at Current Affair.
* Discussion about the footage, etc., in Blogcritics.org. Click here for the blog.
* Video news story from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (requires Quicktime player). Click here for the video news story.
* News article from the Globeandmail.com (Toronto, Canada). Click here for that article.
* Video and news article from TV station WWTI Channel 50 (Syracuse, New York). Click here for that article.
* Updates from various newspapers in Canada, including the Winnipeg Sun. Click here for the latest stories in various Canadian newspapers.
* Updates from the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation): Click here for links to the latest CBC stories.
* News story (video) from Discovery Channel Canada with the BFRO's Dr. Jeff Meldrum. Click here for the video.
* Friday May 7, 2005 -- Quoting another web site: "Ruehl, the crackpot in the Frank Buck hat, portrays himself as bizarre, eccentric moron whacking the air with a stick yelling 'may the cosmos be with you.' [He] promises the Manitoba Village of Norway House will show him a clump of sasquatch hair. ...Then, as the nutcase continues his stick whacking at imaginary things in the air, we are told to 'stay tuned' ..."
If you are in the U.S. and you saw this broadcast, and you happen to have friends on the Norway House Cree Reserve in Manitoba, do call them and tell them what Current Affair is actually saying and showing about them.
Current Affair is taking advantage of the fact tha"t the Cree cannot receive the American broadcast. The tribe may be told or shown something different than what is actually being broadcast in America.
If there is a video crew on the Cree Reserve gathering background footage for these sham updates, then the Cree are within their rights to confiscate their vehicles and equipment and make them leave immediately.
Bobby Clark and the Cree tribal council are hoping to do something beneficial for the tribe with this video. They hope to license it to other television production companies, or sell DVDs with the full footage and comparitive images included. That potential is being chipped away, day by day, by Brett Hudson, among others, as he makes a mockery of the footage, the Wetigo, and the Cree, every day on American television.
Please call or email the Norway House Cree Nation and describe to them what they are not able to see for themselves on television.
* Update - Friday afternoon, May 6, 2005 - The first Current Affair episode, which showed some portions of the footage, can be viewed at (an anonymous web site):
http://64.70.39.65:80/bigfoot_2_small.wmv
* Update - Friday, May 6, 2005 - A Current Affair's first "expedition update" was shots of the "expedition team".
Only one of the people in the "expedition team" is actually going up to Manitoba -- the unit producer Brett Hudson.
Dr. Reuhl, the "anomalist" from Glendale (the "footage of the century" guy), was shown as one of the three expedition team members, but he is not in Manitoba with Hudson. Neither is the scantily clad, 40-something, blonde chick with the chainsaw ... The scene of the three of them walking in the woods "in Manitoba" was filmed in Los Angeles. Notice the palm tree in the background.
It's not an "expedition" even by the loosest definition of the word. It is a low-brow tabloid program's cheapest attempt to make you tune in to more shows. They don't care about anything else. They will fake whatever they need to in order to provide titillating updates. This TV genre is all about spending as little money as possible to grow the ratings.
Do not expect any integrity from A Current Affair. It is not a news program. They are the not "the media". They are the sleaziest sex-and-violence driven tabloid "affairs" program in America.
If they need to hoax some footage themselves in Manitoba, they'll do it, especially if the New Jersey office likes the idea. If they have to embarrass the Cree Nation for the sake of ratings, they will do it in a heart beat.
The Norway House Cree may only be thinking only of positive exposure for their community, but they are now at the mercy of tabloid executives in Los Angeles and New Jersey who have less than zero journalistic integrity.
The Cree cannot easily see the American version of A Current Affair, so they may be falsely assuming that it is a respectable program. The tribal council needs to see all these "daily updates" on Current Affair, supposedly taped on their reserve. Producer Brett Hudson already knows he will have to make big promises and even bigger excuses to gain the tribe's co-operation in the short term. He is buying time to keep the show's ratings up for his own career advancement.
The Norway House Cree tribal council should demand their own daily briefings from the Current Affair's "expedition team". The council should demand to know what they are doing each day, and what they plan to broadcast in America each day, and whether there is any modicum of truth to what they are saying or showing on television.
The Current Affair program will create impressions about the Cree Nation that won't soon be forgotten. The story of Bobby Clark's footage and its aftermath will become a permanent part of tribal history. The Cree Nation needs to take control of their history right now.
Even if the "expedition updates" do not mention or show any tribal members, the story in general is about the reserve territory and the animals in it. Anything and everything they will say, show or omit on TV is directly related to the tribe and the reserve, so the council must retain editorial control over the updates.
It should be plainly obvious by now to the Norway House Cree that they cannot rely on a Current Affair producer's assurances when it involves ongoing statements and coverage in televised mass media.
The council must keep an eye on this situation, and must make sure that Current Affair is honest in their updates.
It will be nearly impossible for Current Affair to be honest in their updates, because in an honest bigfoot expedition there won't be splashy new developments to report each day, even when you have a large, experienced group of bigfoot researchers searching a given area.
Brett Hudson will be cooking up and taping bogus or unsubstantive updates each day. Back in L.A. they'll package a lot of talk about what you might see on the next night's broadcast.
Again, their purpose is not a bigfoot expedition of any sort. It's only a gimmick to trick people to tune in again tomorrow.
To do anything meaningful up there, they would have to do two things that they definitely will not do:
1) spend lots of money on people and equipment, and
2) involve the assistance of tribal members or other non-tabloid people who will quickly realize what they are really doing, and object about the daily updates from the Cree Reserve being a total sham.
They may have spent a few thousand dollars to license the footage from Bobby Clark for a few broadcasts, but now they are decreasing the value of the footage day by day.
* Update - Thursday afternoon, May 5, 2005 - Newspaper Article - Toronto - GlobeandMail.com: Global and Mail journalist Oliver Moore gathered reactions to last night's airing. He incorrectly quotes a previously published, important comment about the footage :
Oliver writes:
"[The] director of the U.S.-based Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization, has viewed the video and says it points to 'a credible encounter.' In a statement on his organization's website, he says that the subject on the tape is either human or sasquatch, but adds that 'it is not clearly one or the other.'"
The sentence Oliver quoted (from this very this web page, above), does not say the "video" points to a credible encounter. The comment says the "full circumstances of this incident" point to a credible encounter.
The video and the full circumstances are two different things.
The determination about the full circumstances pointing to a credible encounter was made prior to anyone from the BFRO seeing the footage.
The determination could have been made even in the absence of seeing the footage.
The full circumstances relate to the identity of the cameraman, his activity, his position in the community, the terrain, the regional history of sightings, the chain of events following the incident, the reactions from local people who had saw the footage several times, and those who knew the cameraman well.
Those were the same circumstances that encouraged so many major news organizations to jump for this video. The story and the full circumstances pointed to a credible encounter.
Given all the interlaced circumstances, it is more likely than not, in many opinions, that Bobby Clark had a real sighting of a real sasquatch. It is less likely that he executed an elaborate scheme to create all these circumstances. Nor does it seem likely that he was a gullible target for a costume prank.
Among other things, given where the incident occurred and when it occurred, the figure Bobby described seeing, was more likely a sasquatch than a prankster in a costume.
Note: If an incident occurs at the same place in the future, those will be entirely new circumstances, because of the attention the location has received since Bobby's incident.
Bobby's video is not clear enough to clearly exclude either a human or a sasquatch.
The video does support his story about the circumstances of the taping, but the image of the creature in the video does not stand on its own, without a forensic work up, to eliminate a sasquatch or a human.
* Update - Thursday, May 5, 2005 - The Fox program "A Current Affair" aired the clearest portions of the Manitoba footage.
At the end of the segment the announcer mentioned an "expedition" to Manitoba. The announcer said a team was already in Manitoba ready to go into the woods. He claimed there would be daily updates about the team's progress from this point forward.
The BFRO is not involved in their Manitoba "expedition", nor was the trip planned at all.
The unit producer, Brett Hudson, is currently headed up to Norway House to meet with a 3-man video crew from New Jersey. So it's a four man "expedition" with no preparation or expert assistance.
On this web page we'll post daily updates about their daily expedition updates, so you can keep track of them more easily.
If they actually do get something interesting on video while they are up there, then you can bet you'll hear loads about it long before it airs. They definitely won't show new footage in a daily update blurb. They'll build the attention for it several days in advance. You can bet on that.
* Update - Wednesday, May 4, 2005 - The Manitoba footage will be broadcast tonight on "A Current Affair" on Fox Television in the U.S.
Canadians without satellite dishes will not be able to see the footage tonight. The web site for the TV program will show very brief clips of the footage beginning on Thursday.
To look up stations and times for the U.S. broadcast, click here. For the preview print blurb about the segment tonight, click here.
* Update - May 3, 2005 - Newspaper article from the reporter who seems to be following this story most closely: Dawn Walton of the Toronto Globe and Mail (http://www.theglobeandmail.com). Click here for her most recent article.
* Update - May 2, 2005 - The Fox Television program A Current Affair has licensed (i.e. not purchased outright) the Manitoba footage for two broadcasts. Both broadcasts will be the same installment of the program. The footage will likely be airing sometime this week, but that is not certain, according to the folks at Current Affair.
* Discussion about the footage, etc., in Blogcritics.org. Click here for the blog.
* Video news story from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (requires Quicktime player). Click here for the video news story.
* News article from the Globeandmail.com (Toronto, Canada). Click here for that article.
* Video and news article from TV station WWTI Channel 50 (Syracuse, New York). Click here for that article.
* Updates from various newspapers in Canada, including the Winnipeg Sun. Click here for the latest stories in various Canadian newspapers.
* Updates from the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation): Click here for links to the latest CBC stories.
* News story (video) from Discovery Channel Canada with the BFRO's Dr. Jeff Meldrum. Click here for the video.
I thought this was interesting:
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Bobby Clark and the Cree tribal council are hoping to do something beneficial for the tribe with this video. They hope to license it to other television production companies, or sell DVDs with the full footage and comparitive images included. That potential is being chipped away, day by day, by Brett Hudson, among others, as he makes a mockery of the footage, the Wetigo, and the Cree, every day on American television.
I'm not aware of Brett Hudson holding a gun to Bobby Clarke's head and forcing him to sign over the footage for their two shows - according to the Clarke family, they had offers from everyone, including MSN.
You take the money, you make your choice.
Where does Momeymaker think these poor ignorant Cree live? On some arctic ice flow where the mail comes only once every few months?
I am sure they get their CBC and CTV the same as everyone else in the country! And they get the viewpoint of the media on shows like Current Affair..just like we all do. Then there is satellite.....the internet...newspapers!
For instance, I have never personally watched Current Affair..but I do not need to in order to know it is sleazoid programming.
You may down the intelligence of the Current Affair program..but do not think that the reclusive people who Current Affairs are involving here, are morons, M. Moneymaker....children who are in need of protection for their own good by the Great White Father of Bigfootdom!
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I am sure they get their CBC and CTV the same as everyone else in the country! And they get the viewpoint of the media on shows like Current Affair..just like we all do. Then there is satellite.....the internet...newspapers!
For instance, I have never personally watched Current Affair..but I do not need to in order to know it is sleazoid programming.
You may down the intelligence of the Current Affair program..but do not think that the reclusive people who Current Affairs are involving here, are morons, M. Moneymaker....children who are in need of protection for their own good by the Great White Father of Bigfootdom!
!
QUOTE(GrandCherokee @ May 13 2005, 09:49 AM)
Where does Momeymaker think these poor ignorant Cree live? On some arctic ice flow where the mail comes only once every few months?
I am sure they get their CBC and CTV the same as everyone else in the country! And they get the viewpoint of the media on shows like Current Affair..just like we all do. Then there is satellite.....the internet...newspapers!
I am sure they get their CBC and CTV the same as everyone else in the country! And they get the viewpoint of the media on shows like Current Affair..just like we all do. Then there is satellite.....the internet...newspapers!
I caught 'A current Affair' In Ottawa Canada on my Bell Expressview Satellite. Most places up North have Sats (no cable up there<grin>), I'm not so sure they didn't get to see it.. And if they could not I'm sure someone called someone to grab a tape of it in another province. If the incident that was the talk of the town made it on TV I'm sure someone would arrange to see it.
They have at least 56K dailup and one of the 3 ISP's in Norway house is also a Sat Internet provider. I'm sure they could download the vid from here if they knew about it (although no one has posted from there yet have they?)
I guess it's one thing to have access to the internet avaliable in your area and another to actually sign up for it and yet another to actually use it<grin>...
http://www.canadianisp.com/cgi-bin/ispsearch.cgi?sp=MB
Just select Norway House in the city field.
Lets see:
1/ they are bent out of shape at not being the first people who were called.
2/ the 'poor ignorant cree indians' who 'slave on the frozen tundra of Manitoba' and who the BFRO wants to 'protect' from the 'greedy self serving, money hungry,ratings chasing US television show' maybe thought the joke was on the people with the pay-check than the believers who actually log onto the site.
3/ they are too busy selling spots on their next expedition to central Oregon or California to suckers for thousands of dollars to be part of a 'team' that is looking for the sasquatch in valleys and mountain ranges that (this one really gets me laughing) 'haven't been properly mapped and explored'
4/ they are too busy selling t-shirts with the PGF or books that have 400 pages and 12 pages of photos. Out of the 12 pages of photos', one will be from the aforementioned frame of the female bigfoot looking at the camera in the Patterson-Gimlin film, a couple of totem poles with sas, Rene Dahinden, a guy (usually with a cowboy hat) looking off into the distance, a couple of cast prints and finally that God-d***ed statue of a bigfoot somewhere in Northern California usually with a man for size.
5/ they are too busy bending over backwards for "mysterious encounters" blondie and her idiotic show that always has some ridiculous name like the "Tinatictin beast of Walla Walla" or "Arkansas beast of Orkney" and never bigfoot or sasquatch and always (curiously) in the continental US.
Quite frankly they are probably painfully aware that the real bigfoot will be found by a park ranger, hit by a 18-wheeler or wander into greater Vancouver/Sacramento/Seattle or Kelowna looking for food and the only people who've made any money off of Sasquatch are the idiots who've sold us a line of BS for the last 50 years.
1/ they are bent out of shape at not being the first people who were called.
2/ the 'poor ignorant cree indians' who 'slave on the frozen tundra of Manitoba' and who the BFRO wants to 'protect' from the 'greedy self serving, money hungry,ratings chasing US television show' maybe thought the joke was on the people with the pay-check than the believers who actually log onto the site.
3/ they are too busy selling spots on their next expedition to central Oregon or California to suckers for thousands of dollars to be part of a 'team' that is looking for the sasquatch in valleys and mountain ranges that (this one really gets me laughing) 'haven't been properly mapped and explored'
4/ they are too busy selling t-shirts with the PGF or books that have 400 pages and 12 pages of photos. Out of the 12 pages of photos', one will be from the aforementioned frame of the female bigfoot looking at the camera in the Patterson-Gimlin film, a couple of totem poles with sas, Rene Dahinden, a guy (usually with a cowboy hat) looking off into the distance, a couple of cast prints and finally that God-d***ed statue of a bigfoot somewhere in Northern California usually with a man for size.
5/ they are too busy bending over backwards for "mysterious encounters" blondie and her idiotic show that always has some ridiculous name like the "Tinatictin beast of Walla Walla" or "Arkansas beast of Orkney" and never bigfoot or sasquatch and always (curiously) in the continental US.
Quite frankly they are probably painfully aware that the real bigfoot will be found by a park ranger, hit by a 18-wheeler or wander into greater Vancouver/Sacramento/Seattle or Kelowna looking for food and the only people who've made any money off of Sasquatch are the idiots who've sold us a line of BS for the last 50 years.
QUOTE(GrandCherokee @ May 13 2005, 08:49 AM)
Where does Momeymaker think these poor ignorant Cree live? On some arctic ice flow where the mail comes only once every few months?
I am sure they get their CBC and CTV the same as everyone else in the country! And they get the viewpoint of the media on shows like Current Affair..just like we all do. Then there is satellite.....the internet...newspapers!
For instance, I have never personally watched Current Affair..but I do not need to in order to know it is sleazoid programming.
You may down the intelligence of the Current Affair program..but do not think that the reclusive people who Current Affairs are involving here, are morons, M. Moneymaker....children who are in need of protection for their own good by the Great White Father of Bigfootdom! !
I am sure they get their CBC and CTV the same as everyone else in the country! And they get the viewpoint of the media on shows like Current Affair..just like we all do. Then there is satellite.....the internet...newspapers!
For instance, I have never personally watched Current Affair..but I do not need to in order to know it is sleazoid programming.
You may down the intelligence of the Current Affair program..but do not think that the reclusive people who Current Affairs are involving here, are morons, M. Moneymaker....children who are in need of protection for their own good by the Great White Father of Bigfootdom!
!You are so right.
QUOTE(contikipaul @ May 13 2005, 06:11 PM)
2/ the 'poor ignorant cree indians' who 'slave on the frozen tundra of Manitoba' and who the BFRO wants to 'protect' from the 'greedy self serving, money hungry,ratings chasing US television show' maybe thought the joke was on the people with the pay-check than the believers who actually log onto the site.
QUOTE(contikipaul @ May 13 2005, 07:11 PM)
5/ they are too busy bending over backwards for "mysterious encounters" blondie and her idiotic show that always has some ridiculous name like the "Tinatictin beast of Walla Walla" or "Arkansas beast of Orkney" and never bigfoot or sasquatch and always (curiously) in the continental US.
Well, far be it from me to defend anyone... and I'm NOT defending the BFRO...
But just WHERE IN THE H*LL do YOU get off labeling people and calling them names? Do YOU know Autumn Williams? Did you WRITE the progams she appeared on? Do you know ANYTHING about HOW or WHY the series came to be and her participation in it?
Maybe... JUST MAYBE, you ought to CHECK INTO some FACTS before YOU go shooting off your mouth around here and throwing around asinine rants about someone like that.
End of MY pissed off rant. Close the door behind you.
And the award for overreaction goes to...(drumroll)...GuyInIndiana!!! :doh:
QUOTE(Arm Chair Squatcherback @ May 13 2005, 08:18 PM)
And the award for overreaction goes to...(drumroll)...GuyInIndiana!!! :doh:
And runner up to Contikipaul for shooting HIS mouth off....*loud fart*....
Arm Chair Squatcherback !!!
Contikipaul needs to get his facts straight before he goes slinging any crap around here or anywhere for that matter. If he wants to comment on something relevant, fine... but his little diatribe badmouthing Autumn... I just really have no patience for people like that ... or people who jump in the frey blasting off their mouths because they want to be cute, funny or what ever it is you felt like "contributing" there.
A lot of people are tired of "others" (include yourself there if you want to feel inclined) just jumping on here posting stupid crap, like Contikipaul did.... and I guess you just felt compelled to, too. <?>
Thanks for that wonderful contribution!
I got two words for you...anger management. 
Contikipaul leans back and yawns to himself. Chuckles inwardly at some 'guy in indiana' who is "defending" Autumn
Guy in Slowdinia. every single mysterious encounters show is the same.
a/ they take that caravan to (insert any state here)
b/ they interview someone with no teeth and even less education about the "Wenatchee Screaming Gorilla" that we know as bigfoot but only the people of Wenatchee know as the 'screaming gorilla'
c/ they find some and I use this term lightlyevidencelike hair or a audio recording
d/ they do a "thorough investigation" that always. and quote me on that Indiana guyALWAYShave some encounter just out of camera angle
to digress the best one was the Florida Skunk Ape that Autumn saw "eyes" doing 80 mph down I-95 between Sarasota and Ft. Myers. as in two red "eyes" at "eye level" doing 80 mph on a 6 lane interstate.
e/ the 'evidence' is always investigated by someone who labels it as inconclusive
C'MON INDIANA GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are smarter than that. This is a show to make money. The real Bigfoot is in NW Washington or BC or Oregon and Autumn, God Bless her, is faking the 'encounters'.
Do you ever realize they come at the same time always???? Always with 4 to 5 mins left in the program???
Guy in Indiana. Watch Ron Artest and the Pacers, I think they are calmly playing the Pistons tonight. Leave this to us and we'll handle it calmly. People who are panicky and jumpy like you are far to use to seeing"eyes" doing 80 mph down I-95 between Sarasota and Ft. Myers. as in two red "eyes" at "eye level" doing 80 mph on a 6 lane interstate[B]
Guy in Slowdinia. every single mysterious encounters show is the same.
a/ they take that caravan to (insert any state here)
b/ they interview someone with no teeth and even less education about the "Wenatchee Screaming Gorilla" that we know as bigfoot but only the people of Wenatchee know as the 'screaming gorilla'
c/ they find some and I use this term lightlyevidencelike hair or a audio recording
d/ they do a "thorough investigation" that always. and quote me on that Indiana guyALWAYShave some encounter just out of camera angle
to digress the best one was the Florida Skunk Ape that Autumn saw "eyes" doing 80 mph down I-95 between Sarasota and Ft. Myers. as in two red "eyes" at "eye level" doing 80 mph on a 6 lane interstate.
e/ the 'evidence' is always investigated by someone who labels it as inconclusive
C'MON INDIANA GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are smarter than that. This is a show to make money. The real Bigfoot is in NW Washington or BC or Oregon and Autumn, God Bless her, is faking the 'encounters'.
Do you ever realize they come at the same time always???? Always with 4 to 5 mins left in the program???
Guy in Indiana. Watch Ron Artest and the Pacers, I think they are calmly playing the Pistons tonight. Leave this to us and we'll handle it calmly. People who are panicky and jumpy like you are far to use to seeing"eyes" doing 80 mph down I-95 between Sarasota and Ft. Myers. as in two red "eyes" at "eye level" doing 80 mph on a 6 lane interstate[B]
QUOTE(GuyInIndiana @ May 14 2005, 07:30 AM)
A lot of people are tired of "others" (include yourself there if you want to feel inclined) just jumping on here posting stupid crap...
You mean like this?
QUOTE(contikipaul @ May 14 2005, 08:09 AM)
Contikipaul leans back and yawns to himself. Chuckles inwardly at some 'guy in indiana' who is "defending" Autumn
Guy in Slowdinia. every single mysterious encounters show is the same.
a/ they take that caravan to (insert any state here)
b/ they interview someone with no teeth and even less education about the "Wenatchee Screaming Gorilla" that we know as bigfoot but only the people of Wenatchee know as the 'screaming gorilla'
c/ they find some and I use this term lightly"evidence" like hair or a audio recording
d/ they do a "thorough investigation" that always. and quote me on that Indiana guy [i]ALWAYS[I][B] have some encounter just out of camera angle
to digress the best one was the Florida Skunk Ape that Autumn saw "eyes" doing 80 mph down I-95 between Sarasota and Ft. Myers. as in two red "eyes" at "eye level" doing 80 mph on a 6 lane interstate.
e/ the 'evidence' is always investigated by someone who labels it as inconclusive
C'MON INDIANA GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are smarter than that. This is a show to make money. The real Bigfoot is in NW Washington or BC or Oregon and Autumn, God Bless her, is faking the 'encounters'.
Do you ever realize they come at the same time always???? Always with 4 to 5 mins left in the program???
Guy in Indiana. Watch Ron Artest and the Pacers, I think they are calmly playing the Pistons tonight. Leave this to us and we'll handle it calmly. People who are panicky and jumpy like you are far to use to seeing"eyes" doing 80 mph down I-95 between Sarasota and Ft. Myers. as in two red "eyes" at "eye level" doing 80 mph on a 6 lane interstate[B]
Guy in Slowdinia. every single mysterious encounters show is the same.
a/ they take that caravan to (insert any state here)
b/ they interview someone with no teeth and even less education about the "Wenatchee Screaming Gorilla" that we know as bigfoot but only the people of Wenatchee know as the 'screaming gorilla'
c/ they find some and I use this term lightly"evidence" like hair or a audio recording
d/ they do a "thorough investigation" that always. and quote me on that Indiana guy [i]ALWAYS[I][B] have some encounter just out of camera angle
to digress the best one was the Florida Skunk Ape that Autumn saw "eyes" doing 80 mph down I-95 between Sarasota and Ft. Myers. as in two red "eyes" at "eye level" doing 80 mph on a 6 lane interstate.
e/ the 'evidence' is always investigated by someone who labels it as inconclusive
C'MON INDIANA GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are smarter than that. This is a show to make money. The real Bigfoot is in NW Washington or BC or Oregon and Autumn, God Bless her, is faking the 'encounters'.
Do you ever realize they come at the same time always???? Always with 4 to 5 mins left in the program???
Guy in Indiana. Watch Ron Artest and the Pacers, I think they are calmly playing the Pistons tonight. Leave this to us and we'll handle it calmly. People who are panicky and jumpy like you are far to use to seeing"eyes" doing 80 mph down I-95 between Sarasota and Ft. Myers. as in two red "eyes" at "eye level" doing 80 mph on a 6 lane interstate[B]
Gawd, that's one helluva train wreck of quote tags!
QUOTE(contikipaul @ May 13 2005, 10:09 PM)
C'MON INDIANA GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are smarter than that[b]. This is a show to make money. The real Bigfoot is in NW Washington or BC or Oregon and Autumn, God Bless her, is faking the 'encounters'.
Do you ever realize they come at the same time always???? Always with 4 to 5 mins left in the program???
Guy in Indiana. Watch Ron Artest and the Pacers, I think they are calmly playing the Pistons tonight. Leave this to us and we'll handle it calmly. People who are panicky and jumpy like you are far to use to seeing"eyes" doing 80 mph down I-95 between Sarasota and Ft. Myers. as in two red "eyes" at "eye level" doing 80 mph on a 6 lane interstate[B]
Do you ever realize they come at the same time always???? Always with 4 to 5 mins left in the program???
Guy in Indiana. Watch Ron Artest and the Pacers, I think they are calmly playing the Pistons tonight. Leave this to us and we'll handle it calmly. People who are panicky and jumpy like you are far to use to seeing"eyes" doing 80 mph down I-95 between Sarasota and Ft. Myers. as in two red "eyes" at "eye level" doing 80 mph on a 6 lane interstate[B]
Wow, you are reeeeeeally obnoxious. You need to utilize the SEARCH feature, do a little homework, and read in Autumn's own words how she was as screwed over by the M.E. gang as the rest of us were.
QUOTE(you)
to digress the best one was the Florida Skunk Ape that Autumn saw "eyes" doing 80 mph down I-95 between Sarasota and Ft. Myers. as in two red "eyes" at "eye level" doing 80 mph on a 6 lane interstate.
QUOTE
doing 80 mph down I-95 between Sarasota and Ft. Myers. as in two red "eyes" at "eye level" doing 80 mph on a 6 lane interstate
That would be I-75.... which she wasn't on anyway -- she was on I-10.
QUOTE(contikipaul @ May 13 2005, 09:09 PM)
C'MON INDIANA GUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You are smarter than that[b]. This is a show to make money. The real Bigfoot is in NW Washington or BC or Oregon and Autumn, God Bless her, is faking the 'encounters'.
See, this is the whole point of WHY I said "Contikipaul needs to get his facts straight before he goes slinging any crap around here or anywhere for that matter. "
You didn't answer any of my questions about the show. Oh.. wait, you only know what you've watched. Have you heard Autumn talk about HOW the show was produced and her involvement? How they limited her? How she had no control over all that? I have. She may have been the "star" so to speak, but that's about as far as it goes. But you sit there smuggly ranting about something that has nothing to do with the thread. {specificly}
If you want to rant about the BFRO and the Manitoba Mess, go right ahead. I could care less. My original point was, still is, when you start talking about stuff, KNOW what you're talking about and quit jumping on people (like Autumn). THIS is what adds to the lack of intelligence around here.
Mysterious Encounters was a televison show produced to make OLN some bucks and get some new viewers. If you didn't like the show, tell them.
QUOTE(Volsquatch @ May 13 2005, 07:11 PM)
QUOTE(GuyInIndiana @ May 14 2005, 07:30 AM)
A lot of people are tired of "others" (include yourself there if you want to feel inclined) just jumping on here posting stupid crap...
You mean like this?
I was thinking more like this...
QUOTE(Wildman @ May 14 2005, 08:37 AM)
QUOTE(Volsquatch @ May 13 2005, 07:11 PM)
QUOTE(GuyInIndiana @ May 14 2005, 07:30 AM)
A lot of people are tired of "others" (include yourself there if you want to feel inclined) just jumping on here posting stupid crap...
You mean like this?
I was thinking more like this...
QUOTE
5/ they are too busy bending over backwards for "mysterious encounters" blondie and her idiotic show that always has some ridiculous name like the "Tinatictin beast of Walla Walla" or "Arkansas beast of Orkney" and never bigfoot or sasquatch and always (curiously) in the continental US.
We happen to like Autumn very much. I hope we here from her soon...
QUOTE
And the award for overreaction goes to...(drumroll)...GuyInIndiana!!!
I don't think so. I'm sure Autumn can take care of herself, but like Guyindy stated above. "Know your facts."
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=10553&st=0
http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...40&#entry202946
Beside, when did this turn into an Autumn Williams Issue?
QUOTE
Quite frankly they are probably painfully aware that the real bigfoot will be found by a park ranger, hit by a 18-wheeler or wander into greater Vancouver/Sacramento/Seattle or Kelowna looking for food and the only people who've made any money off of Sasquatch are the idiots who've sold us a line of BS for the last 50 years.
Word!
QUOTE
Leave this to us and we'll handle it calmly.
Who's Us?
@ WIldman
This is not a thread about Mysterious Encounters or Autumn Williams - if you carry on discussing it here, this thread will be locked.
Get back on topic.
Get back on topic.
Interestingly, having added 'Manitoba' to the BFRO list of upcoming expeditions, it has now been removed from the schedule.
Perhaps Moneymaker decided not to exploit the Cree himself?
Perhaps he realised it was a little hypocritical to criticise the Current Affair expedition when the BFRO was planning their own in the area
Who knows?
Perhaps Moneymaker decided not to exploit the Cree himself?
Perhaps he realised it was a little hypocritical to criticise the Current Affair expedition when the BFRO was planning their own in the area
Who knows?
EDITED OUT BY AUTHOR
BFRO I believe started with the best of intentions but has now sort of morphed or slid into a cash grab. That show about the 'four horsemen of sasquatchia' which was on the discovery channel two-three years back and never repeated because you can only buy the dvd now hit the nail on the head.
People like us who believe in bigfoot are usually on the fringes of normal belief theories. So things like conspiracy theories, UFO's, etc tends to get our attention. The problem is it can also attract nuts and wack jobs who can hijack serious discussion of such topics.
I beleive BFRO is now a cash cow selling trinkets, t-shirts and anything it can not just to pay the bills and keep the website up but to line the pockets of some people who view it as a way to milk those of us with an interest in the creature. Where this has crossed the line is the idiotic expeditions that you need to basically pay a lot of money to 'join'.
The Manitoba video threatens that.
BFRO I believe started with the best of intentions but has now sort of morphed or slid into a cash grab. That show about the 'four horsemen of sasquatchia' which was on the discovery channel two-three years back and never repeated because you can only buy the dvd now hit the nail on the head.
People like us who believe in bigfoot are usually on the fringes of normal belief theories. So things like conspiracy theories, UFO's, etc tends to get our attention. The problem is it can also attract nuts and wack jobs who can hijack serious discussion of such topics.
I beleive BFRO is now a cash cow selling trinkets, t-shirts and anything it can not just to pay the bills and keep the website up but to line the pockets of some people who view it as a way to milk those of us with an interest in the creature. Where this has crossed the line is the idiotic expeditions that you need to basically pay a lot of money to 'join'.
The Manitoba video threatens that.
QUOTE(contikipaul @ May 14 2005, 07:58 PM)
PaulUK1968 - You seem to be one of those people that everything has to be 'orderly and in place' I mean a discussion of the laugh a minute show mysterious encounters prompts you to threaten to lock the topic. I mean on another topic you admitted that you didn't know who Ryan Giggs and David Beckham were but knew a lot about Sasquatch. I really think you might need some sort of medical attention. THis is a classic case of not seeing the forest for the trees. You can identify an as yet unproven species on another continent yet have never heard of the captains of the England and Welsh football (curiously refered to as soccer by you) teams who are always in the news. Its like someone in Minnesota being a (self-described) expert in the Loch Ness Monster but has no idea who Michael Jordan and Tom Brady are.
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The problem is it can also attract nuts and wack jobs who can hijack serious discussion of such topics.
Case in point, your hijacking of this thread with your attempted character assasination of Autumn, and your subsequent questioning of Paul's mental health. You're headed down the wrong road here. Don't believe me? Then keep it up, and see what happens.
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People like us who believe in bigfoot are usually on the fringes of normal belief theories.
Tread carefully there ,Sparky. In case you missed it PaulUk is the new owner of the forum now.. (Speaking of which,Ummm.Paul.. you ned to "promote" youself from deputy to chief.)Secondly.."people like us" ? In case you hadn't noticed there a whole lot of different thoughts ,lifestyles,ethnic backgrounds and opnions on this board regarding a lot of different subjects. Some of us don't "believe in bigfoot" at all,but find the sightings and other alleged evidence interesting or probable for varied reasons. Make sure you understand that dstinction before you go start making yourself look like more of an ass than you already have..
JimF -You are probably correct. I have edited the post.
QUOTE(belleoftheball @ May 14 2005, 12:36 AM)
Who's Us?
Who's We?
RayG
QUOTE(RayG @ May 14 2005, 09:25 AM)
QUOTE(belleoftheball @ May 14 2005, 12:36 AM)
Who's Us?
Who's We?
RayG
Who's them..?
Paul1968UK
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QUOTE(contikipaul @ May 13 2005, 08:09 PM)
b/ they interview someone with no teeth and even less education about the "Wenatchee Screaming Gorilla" that we know as bigfoot but only the people of Wenatchee know as the 'screaming gorilla'
Turns out , that dude with no teeth finally got a good pic of the "Wenatchee Screaming Gorilla"! Who's the fool now?
QUOTE(contikipaul @ May 13 2005, 08:09 PM)
Guy in Slowdinia. every single mysterious encounters show is the same.
Real nice statement there jerky.
Do I see Rhode Island?
Since when did that become such a hot spot.?
Are you a part of NESRA? If not, you would be a hell of an addition to them!
That last sentence is a bit much Goofyfooter, I don't Think the NESRA members are causing trouble here like this guy.
Wow!!! I think that was uncalled for Goofyfooter! What did I ever do to you?
QUOTE(bwillard @ May 16 2005, 09:02 AM)
Wow!!! I think that was uncalled for Goofyfooter! What did I ever do to you?
I can't speak for GF, but I can tell you that when you're a member of an organization, you will be judged by the actions of it's leader. That's just the way it is, has been, and probably always will be. Is it fair? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
If you choose to remain in NESRA, with the leader you have now, then that's YOUR choice, no one elses. Don't blame someone else for the choice you are making.
Edited to say: JMHO
QUOTE(Volsquatch @ May 15 2005, 09:12 PM)
QUOTE(bwillard @ May 16 2005, 09:02 AM)
Wow!!! I think that was uncalled for Goofyfooter! What did I ever do to you?
I can't speak for GF, but I can tell you that when you're a member of an organization, you will be judged by the actions of it's leader. That's just the way it is, has been, and probably always will be. Is it fair? Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
If you choose to remain in NESRA, with the leader you have now, then that's YOUR choice, no one elses. Don't blame someone else for the choice you are making.
Edited to say: JMHO
No ORG should feel safe at any time. Non whatsoever!
QUOTE(Paul1968UK @ May 14 2005, 01:07 AM)
This is not a thread about Mysterious Encounters or Autumn Williams - if you carry on discussing it here, this thread will be locked.
Get back on topic.
Get back on topic.
Nor is it a thread about NESRA!!!!
Back on topic.....please.
QUOTE(Bfooter @ May 15 2005, 10:17 PM)
Paul1968UK
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Doesn't matter who he (or anyone else) makes fun of on this forum - they get treated the same way, as contikipaul has discovered
QUOTE(Paul1968UK @ May 16 2005, 06:28 AM)
QUOTE(Bfooter @ May 15 2005, 10:17 PM)
Paul1968UK
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Something to think about before posting!
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Doesn't matter who he (or anyone else) makes fun of on this forum - they get treated the same way, as contikipaul has discovered
They do use the same rope, don't they.
After selling it a current affair and watching their travesty of an expedition, would YOU mention it?
More likely you would do this:
More likely you would do this:
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