In the 70's when my brother and his friend had their two encounters in Georgia, my brother couldn't get over the sound he heard leading up to his sighting. Turns out that it matches the "moan-howl" that others have described as being heard down south.

Back then there certainly was no one around using big speakers to broadcast anything. Makes me wonder if today sometimes a researcher might think he's hearing a Sasquatch when, in fact, he's listening to someone blasting out calls.

It seems to make more sense to use the call of a wounded deer than to attempt to use a supposed Sasquatch recording to get a response.

Anyone had any luck with recordings or found that they had fooled someone by mistake?

Excellent topic, i've posted on this before although not on this board. I'll try to sum up my thoughts on this practice in 2 points:

1. No one can say for sure that the animal sound they are playing loudly into the woods is a Bigfoot or not. I've listened to some of the supposed Bigfoot calls/howls on different websites, and some of them in my opinion are mis-identified known animals, however there were some i could not identify. Now this doesn't necessarily mean these are from an unknown primate, and even if they were...brings up point no. 2.

2. If these are Bigfoot "howls", no one knows what they mean. For example, various animals and critters use a wide range of sounds to communicate including whoops, howls, growls, barks, chirps, etc. So someone could conceivably be blasting a "howl" which could mean anything from "I'm hungry", "I'm horny", "Get the heck out of my territory", "I'm injured/dieing" "Who's yo daddy?"(well maybe not that one lol). But they would be broadcasting this same thing over and over and over, possibly warning/scaring away said elusive creature they are in pursuit of. Imagine if you were in the woods and kept hearing a man scream out "i'm horny, its mating season" every 15 minutes, i'd avoid that area...

I've also wondered if some calls mean: "Those humans are back! Keep hidden!"

Blasting recordings of those would be counterproductive.

Especially if the reply (if any) is something like: "Thanks for the warning! I think they're pretty close to where you are!"

There's one particular sound I heard while camping in one of our areas that I strongly believe is a locator call. If that's the case then it would indeed be a good call to reproduce, but as others have stated without out certainty its difficult to tell what if any results it will bring.

Waht would be the best call as a locater and does anybody have some good links to some clear audio?

I was wondering, if this is the only time you have heard this vocal and what made you think it was a locator call? Can you describe the call?

We heard it once while camping. The call was repeated numerous times as whatever it was made its way up over the mountain above us. I'm not sure if I've told the account here or not but I'll look and see if I can find it.

Since we never saw the source its impossible to say what it was but I've seen apes using a very similar call, with the consesus of primatoligists being that its a locating call to find other members of a troop or to let them know where you are.

If its not squatch related I'm sure they get a kick out of seeing the skinny white guy immitating some other animal.

Just curiouse Bitter Monk, did that vocal call you heard sound like something exhaleing alot of air at onece?

Thanks, BluffCreek35

If you're talking about the "chuffing" or "whooofing" noise no.

God, I feel like some mechanics worse nightmare. "And every time I start to go uphill the car goes wooga wooga bink tong!".

That "chuffing" noise you describe is what I heard when I was up near Bluff Creek around '87.

Parallel walking. The loud huffing and rocking of fairly large trees. The breaking of branches. All of that. There was no mistaking any of that as it was only 10 yards away and went on for some time.

I wish I could have stayed, but the girl driving bugged out of there in a hurry. I had to jump into the car with her or else I'd been stuck out there in the middle of nowhere unarmed.

Yeah.... guess I know how Patterson must've felt for a minute there.

Sounds like you need a new bigfoot partner.

Research shows that you'll have the same results in proving that bf's exist whether you howl or not.

I say howl baby!!!!!!!

What sounds has anyone had success with? I am thinking of transmitting some sounds in an area in NE Oklahoma.

try wood knocking it is a proven primate activity and is really the only true sound that is documented behavior of the apes

If its the man howl I am thinking of, it was probably a feral dog. Heck it may have even been someones pet.

What I do is record a BF howl from the internet and I use that recording.

Whoooop ,whooooop ,wooop seems to work for me.I'm sure that if you want these creatures to come to ya, howl and let them know that your there.It might not be the first night in the same area but if you stick it out It will happen.
Mark A

Thanks for the advice guys, if all else fails I could maybe get Zog there to hollar. I figure that he can probably talk squatch quite well.

:doh:

I am sofa king, we taught it.

Not "man', I meant to say "moan"


And I am pretty sure by calling out, blasting sounds and other antics will push a Squatch further away if anything. So far I have read plenty of reports of folks doing this but so far the only responses I have heard of can be chalked up to wishful thinking, and unfortunately the "experts" play on it like its some kind of amazing step to solving the mystery and chalk it up as success. Then others repeat the mistake and play the wishful thinking game and the circle continues. I dont have all the answers, but I feel in my worthless two cents is that 90% of what is preached as gospel in this field is really tied into some hidden romantic notion.

BF seems to have eluded man so far, I am sure blasting sounds is not going to trick him now. The only ones it seems to trick is the human.

das skunkhunter der grosse Zeitskeptic

I've always found the sound of Gibbon's to be pretty interesting/entertaining. Turns out that some have spent a lot of time studying their songs specifically.

Might not be a bad idea to get some good, clear, gibbon sound clips and try broadcasting them to pique the curiousity of a squatch.

Lots' of sounds here.

http://www.tiho-hannover.de/gibbons/main/index.html

Along with a detailed paper specifically on Gibbon songs --
http://www.tiho-hannover.de/gibbons/main/f...00musicevol.htm

Hello All,

I am just starting to do some in the field research up here in Northwestern Ontario, and had asked on another Sasquatch list for some tips in conducting such research from the individuals on the list, many of whom have been in the field. I had specifically asked about soundblasting, and got some good ideas which I would like to share.

As has been pointed out here already, using recordings off the internet may not work as we have no idea what the sounds are communicating, or if they are communicating. A sound could mean "this is my territory", a challenge or a mating call. Without really knowing what you are "communcating", you may not be ready for the response, or lack thereof (unknowningly blasting a mating call may result in banjo music and a kidknapping ala Ostman ).

Also, a sound recorded from Washington state, may not relevant to an area in the southeast due to apparent variations in species due to environment. The fact is that without actually seeing what is making the sound, the context etc., it is not known what the reaction will be. Further, one of the people on the list stated that it is very dangerous to sound blast the sound of a wounded deer or other animal as you would just be calling into your location any nearby predators.

Of course, folks with more experience in the field, or who have had success with soundblasting, can add more. A very intersting topic . . .

I think the tree knocking would be the best at fooling the squatch; since they might be able to tell a lousy imitation howl or whoop a mile off.

First of all, I have not gone out BF hunting, nor have I done any research other then what comes on television or what I find on the internet. This forum has been the best place I've seen for sharing information so far. Sometimes a different and new perspective can help when you least expect it. I've been reading what you all have to say, and I have to say - why use howls at all? If no one seems to know what those howls might mean to bigfoot - why chance a negative or violent encounter when it could instead be a quiet curious one? For example:

I listened to a recording on-line where three researchers seemed to know what they were doing. They were doing their own howls and they were getting responses to the howls they were doing. On one of the recordings though - they appeared to get a response that sounded quite intense and perhaps potentially violent and dangerous. At the end of the recording - you could hear loud and fast whacking of trees that came very quickly nearer to where the researchers were collecting recordings. All of a sudden there is a loud comotion, car doors slamming, engine starting and what sounded like the researchers driving down the road and one vocal response (from one of them) that indicated they had experienced one frightening and close call and they had attracted something that scared the living daylights out of them. I emailed the site that contained these recordings and requested more information about that one and I am expecting a call from them on Friday because apparently there is too much info surrounding that particular recording to cover in an email. I am looking forward to hearing from them and will let everyone know what I've learned.

But! What I am getting at - if you want to attract a BF why not use something that will indeed make the BF curious and not hostile? For example; a woman softly singing, a recording of kids playing, some beautiful new age music like Yanni or Bruel, etc. I remember reading a report where a man was experiencing some pretty frightening activity around his cabin until he started taking a television (with a long extension cord) out to the edge of the woods and turned it on everynight. From that time on living in his cabin became a pleasant experience and he was not bothered anymore. (I can almost imagine BF being around to catch the news everynight at 10:00 PM. ) The guy's son (who witnessed his father taking a television outside everynight) thought his father was going a little senile, but the neighbor commented later on after the guy had passed away that they used to hear all kinds of banging coming from the guy's cabin and how it had stopped. Many people have reported incidents where the BF was curious about women and children. I don't recommend using women and children themselves - but maybe a recording?

Curiousity coming from any living creature (ourselves included) is a cry for learning. To me, an unidentified howl would seem to go completely against curiousity and instead cause a very unpredictible response if they come around at all. Using howls might be a faster way of doing it - but I have to say - I worry about you guys doing the hunting out there.

Laurie

Laurie, could you post or PM the site ADDY where you heard listened to this?
Thanks!

You betcha!


Here is a link provided by Maheekat in the "What's Your Not for Sure Encounter"


http://www.sasquatchresearch.com/vocalizations.html


I don't know how long the above link has been around, but I've never caught it before now. It has six different players (one for each vocalization). There's one problem. When you first go onto the site, all the players start playing at the same time for some reason. Just click on each "play" button so you can stop them all and then click on the one you want to hear. The one I am referring to in this thread is the bottom middle player. Make sure to listen to the whole thing to get an idea of what they are doing then pay particular attention to the very end of the tape.

After you hear this one the other ones are neat to listen to also. But the bottom middle one - that is what I am referring to when I say, it might be a pretty dangerous thing - using howls in trying to attract this creature. If I were hunting it wouldn't be my choice.

Neat recordings! Thanks, Laurie!

I can't wait to talk to the guy who will be calling me Friday. There has to be more of a story behind that and I sure do want to hear it.

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that the sounds of Yanni might cause the 'squatch to flee?

Jokes aside, electronic devices appear to keep them at bay; they have been avoiding our well-placed trail cams for years. I had first thought of a radio quietly playing a talk show might be good curiosity bait; but I think that they can hear the high pitch (beyond our hearing) whine of electronic equipment, and avoid it.

Me thinks you guys better learn how to sing sweetly

Oh man, went to a Yanni concert - he puts on a wonderful concert. Regarding Bruel, that is Native American style music and the best music ever and I can't wait to see them in concert. Here is the link for their website:


http://www.brulerecords.com/


They have a pretty good sampling of their CD's on their website. My favorite is Spirit Horses and Trail of Tears. It is a family group whose father learned a short time ago that he had been adopted off of the Lakota Reservation. Learning that has changed his life and music. His daughter plays the classic flute, his son the classic guitar and he plays keyboards and I think writes the music. I've never heard such emotional music. I haven't even listened to Yanni since listening to Bruel.

Edited to add further info:

The daughter of the family group plays classic flute but plays it like a Native flute. Absolutely talented to no end.

Just wanted to add - I keep up with today's popular music too!

Sassy #1: "Hey! Do you hear that tree-knocking?"

Sassy #2: "Yeah, it's another one of those hairless ones."

Sassy#1: "How can you tell?"

Sassy#2: "They have no rhythm."

NICE! Devious Ape

Too funny!

In the "The Best of the Best" thread, I postulated that one of the methods employed by the BFRO expedition that discovered the Skookum cast may have actually lured a Bigfoot into Skamania county from one of the surrounding counties. The expedition used fruit bait, pheromones, and call blasting to attract Bigfoot. I think that my research lends some credence to the idea that one or more of these techniques may be effective at attracting Bigfoot. Of the three methods used, I suppose that the call blasting would have had the greatest range, and thus is most likely the one that lured in the Bigfoot that made the Skookum cast. I would recommend investigating exactly which call was played by the expedition--perhaps we should use it more often in the future. Maybe we can even get an idea of what it means.

Hi there! How can they possibly know what the call blasting means to the sasquatch/bigfoot? Are you requesting that I ask them what the call blasting they used meant? I guess if I were in the place of a BF and I was being led to believe there was something present that I should check out - I would either feel very angry or feel very threatened to find something else entirely once attracted to the researchers location. That is just my thought. Sounds also like there may be a few different species out there, different ages, different sexes, different temperments, etc. - how can one size fit all? I don't know if you listened to the recording I provided a link for earlier in this thread - but it sure didn't sound like a good encounter to me.

Edited to also say this: Perhaps the howl could be considered hostile right off the bat and wouldn't make any difference what is at the other end of the howel they will just automatically go into defense mode.

I just spoke to Jason the administrator of the site above with the recordings of howls. We spoke for some time and Jason had some really interesting and thought-provoking stories to tell. Jason says one of the researchers takes his mother out frequently because she can readily attract responses from sasquatches (almost right away actually). (Jason was going to go out this evening actually with some of the same group of individuals to conduct some of that activity.) The group of researchers who did these howl recordings have had instances of being "charged" by sasquatch. They also bring along baseball bats to hit against trees and have gotten some response to that. I had discussed with Jason that I had no experience in doing anything like that and he told me that you don't necessarily have to go deep into the woods to do something like this. He told me many times they would just take lawn chairs on the outskirts of a wooded area and gotten some howl responses just from doing that so a person doesn't always have to go deep into the woods.

I am from Minnesota and I mentioned to Jason that we don't get many sighting reports here and that there must not be many sightings. Jason said, on the contrary - there have been many sightings in Minnesota and not just in the northern part of Minnesota - all over. He knew of an individual from Minnesota who had come to one of the conventions he had attended and was actually very bothered by a frightening sasquatch experience his wife had and just needed to talk to someone about it. Jason also talked to me about his own sighting which is on the website. Jason told me of some film footage he had taken of several pairs of sets of "red eyes" in the woods (8 feet off the ground). His better judgement has been not to post videos such as this because it is impossible to tell what those sets of eyes were (to someone else it could be anything). It was at night and was too dark to be able to reveal any further detail using a video camera.

Jason also discussed many other things with me that were completely fascinating to hear about. If anyone is interested in discussing the subject of "howls" or anything else sasquatch/bigfoot related - Jason is a very nice person and it was super talking to him. Send him an email through website: www.sasquatchresearch.com

Hi Laurie,
Jason put on the recent fantastic Bellingham Symposium and he and his wife Star are incredibly nice people. It was nice that you got a chance to visit with him. He is right about not having to go into the deep woods to find evidence. I hope you try to get out in the field soon. Good luck. goldie

Laurie...I know of three separate occasions where bigfoot/sasquatch was possibly attracted to the sounds of children laughing, howling, hollering, and generally just being kids.

One incident involved eight teenage boys camping out and celebrating a 16th birthday on a fairly remote piece of property. The mother of the boy celebrating the birthday took me aside and said this was no joke. All the macho boys were in tears and refused to return to their tents that were located in glade a few hundred feet from the house.

Another involved my own youngest daughter and a very frightening encounter on the same piece of property after three young teenagers got twisted around on the deer trails and decided to yell for the help of friends and parents at home as darkness quickly approached.

The last incident involved children loudly howling like wolves and being approached and closely circled by a possible bigfoot/sasquatch that was seen by a terrified parent who covered it with a rifle.

Bushman

Seems interesting! Where did you find those accounts, Bushman?

is you SEES a biggy footed critter howl, yell, yowl, grunt, moan, sing the blues, and you record it......

there you have a biggy footed critter on tape.

anything else is supposition.

Hi Josh...these are all accounts of possible bigfoot/sasquatch encounters that I have personally gathered over the last 40 years in British Columbia.

NEAT!

Bushman, that is so scarey! Children and kids are generally louder anyway - it's just their nature. They don't realize that by being louder they draw attention to themselves (not just bigfoot but perhaps a not very nice person) at a time they might not want to do that. If it's intentional, at least you're expecting it in advance and are somewhat prepared for it. It's funny though - I've read report after report where BF is really quite noisy themselves (the screams, wood knocks) so BF sure doesn't follow that line of reasoning.

Laurie...assuming that bigfoot/sasquatch is possibly attracted to the sounds of children happily and loudly playing should be considered scary, I believe those same sounds may also have great potential in the field of research some day.

While there are many purported recordings of bigfoot/sasquatch howls, whistles, hoots and roars, I believe that using recordings of these might have the opposite of the desired effect if what we are blasting is a possible danger warning or challenge call.

In my field research I think I'll stick with softer recordings of children laughing and playing that may just arouse bigfoot/sasquatch's curiosity and bring it in close for a look instead of a fight.

Good Point.

Bushman, I agree with you absolutely 100%. I myself have always been attracted to animals and they have always liked me. I am one of those that can catch the eye of someone else's pet from across the street or next door and their pet comes running over to me with the tail wagging. I don't have any dogs but have four cats. I have always found cats to be somewhat of a challenge with regard to communication - but here again, I communicate many things to my cats and when their eyes burn deep into my soul I know they understand.

I've always thought to myself that if ever given the opportunity of being in the presence of BF, I would like to see it be a real calm encounter. That would be a dream I know. But like you say, you would rather use the softer recordings of children laughing and playing to make BF curious and not prepared to challenge you right off the bat. That to me sounds so dangerous. The recordings I posted earlier in this thread is a perfect example of what can happen with howls. One of the recordings especially curled my toes because in the recording something unexpected had happened and it didn't sound good. I talked to one of the researchers who knew the details behind the recording, and what had happened in the process of them doing their "howls" is a bigfoot virtually brought down a tree and it landed right beside them. So to me, that is an example of a reaction I would not want to have. I would like to have a more predictible and gentle reaction from a BF if possible.

I guess doing it that way would take time and patience - but a real quality contact with BF would be worth the effort. To use an example of how I would like it to go for me - I spent all last summer rescuing a small cat in our backyard. I started by putting food out for her everyday and she wouldn't come out to eat it until I was out of the area. She always knew when it was meal time because I would go into the backyard and yell, "I've got some good stuff for that little kitty!" One day I set the food out and just sat down on the grass at a good distance from the food and waited for her to come out. She ate with me present in the area but when she ate she was facing me the whole time. Every day I sat closer and closer until I was able to get her to stay for an extended time and she would listen to me talk to her. Finally, I got to a point where I could have the food right there beside me and she would come to eat it. Another time she even curled up into my lap and went to sleep. Now you would think that I could just carry her into the house about that point wouldn't you? Nope, she is the most slippery cat I have ever tried to pick up. I tried, and she got away and there were many places in the yard for her to hide. It wasn't until one night when two raccoons were in our yard that she climbed up onto our garage roof and peered into my kitchen and met my eyes with total alarm and desperation that I was able to send the hubby out with a ladder to retrieve her from our garage roof and bring her into the house. She is one of four spoiled rotten cats living in our house today I am happy to say.

But the point you and I both make is if there is ever to be a quality contact made with a BF it will take that kind of time and patience and gaining the BF's trust should that ever be possible. At the very least you should not unknowingly challenge it. Of course you have to look out for your own safety as well as all wild animals are unpredictible, but the contact as you suggest would be the absolute most ideal and favored way to make a quality contact.

I think you brought up a good reasoning, Laurie!