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JonZ
I don't have a copy, but apparently Skeptic Magazine has an article on the Sasquatch this quarter. If anyone can get a hold of it and read it, please share.

Jon
Susan
A kind friend forwarded this to me.....


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Some reasons for caution about the Bigfoot film expose: for skeptics,
the revelation of a hoax can provide valuable insights but may also
contain pitfalls

Skeptical Inquirer, Jan-Feb, 2005 by Michael Dennett


Over the past three years, the Bigfoot community has been buffeted by
the deaths of its two biggest proponents, Rene Dahinden and Grover
Krantz. More recently, the death of Ray Wallace permitted his son and
nephew to reveal that their relative had faked the "original" (1)
Bigfoot tracks near BluffCreek, California. And now, a book by Greg
Long, The Making of Bigfoot, has seriously, perhaps fatally, damaged
the credibility of the famous Patterson film. (For those readers not
intimately versed in Sasquatch lore, the Patterson film has been the
best photographic evidence for the possible existence of an unknown
giant bipedal creature living in North America.)

Since the publication of Long's book, every issue of the Bigfoot Times
newsletter has carried critical commentary on some aspect of the book.
Editor Daniel Perez, writing in the March 2004 issue, said, "I think
this book [The Making of Bigfoot] is junk. Don't buy it." In the
following issue, Bigfoot researcher Peter Byrne called Long's work
"amateurish, impetuous and careless." Yet a third reviewer writes: "In
short Mr. Long's entire thesis is based on hearsay and personal
opinions of those he talked with and the dubious claims by one man,
Bob Heironimus; that it was him who wore the 'suit' on that October
day in 1967."

But not all reviews have been negative. The often skeptical UFO
newsletter, Saucer Smear, gave the book a good but qualified review,
(2) and not surprisingly, the SKEPTICAL INQUIRER ran an article by Kal
Korff and Michaela Kocis based on Long's book (July/August 2004). In
their article, Korff and Kocis write: "After nearly forty years of
secrecy, the truth behind the world-famous Roger Patterson Bigfoot
film has been revealed. The man who actually wore the costume and
played the role of Bigfoot in the film has been located and has made a
full confession. Moreover, the husband and wife team who made and sold
the Bigfoot costume that Patterson used to fake his movie have also
confessed, and several other important eyewitnesses have come forth
with corroborating evidence."

As a CSICOP Scientific and Technical Consultant, I feel that the Korff
article may have overstated some of the issues. Having followed
Sasquatch activities in the Pacific Northwest for over twenty years, I
am well aware of the key issues related to the Patterson film, and
many of the people in the Long book are individuals I have met or
talked with over the years. (3) I believe it would be more accurate to
state that Long has found a man, Bob Heironimus, who has provided a
most credible case he was the man in an ape suit in the Patterson
film. But The Making of Bigfoot does not, as Korff suggests, prove
Heironimus's case. While I find Heironimus believable, there are
glaring problems with the tale, and SI editor Ken Frazier has granted
me this space to present a second perspective.

Significantly, Heironimus has no objective evidence that he was Roger
Patterson's accomplice, despite a claim made to Long that he could
prove he played the creature in the film. He does not have the "ape
suit" or any other objective evidence. One of the two witnesses to
Heironimus's brief possession of the "ape suit" was an eight-year-old
boy at the time, and the other is Heironimus's mother. Some of the
corroborating witness accounts are completely contradictory as well.
Several people interviewed by Long claim that Heironimus showed them
the "ape suit," a claim Heironimus strongly denies.

These conflicting testimonies show the weaknesses of such accounts and
why as skeptics we must be cautious. If we are to believe the
Heironimus account (and it is most plausible), how do we incorporate
the other statements, made by honest-sounding individuals, who say
they saw an ape suit in Heironimus's car when he clearly says they
didn't?

Greg Long explains in his book that he made no payment to Heironimus,
nor was any other financial gain a condition of the story being
revealed. I am sure this is true. However, Long does not explain why
almost a year elapsed from the time Heironimus's attorney broke the
story (but did not reveal Heironimus's name) and the time he contacted
Long. A possible reason, not known to either Long or Korff, is that
another writer was shopping the story to mainstream book publishers. I
know this (although I did not know Heironimus's name at the time),
because the writer, a former Yakima-area newspaperman, met with me and
a colleague of mine over lunch. During our meeting, we were told there
would be no book if there was no profit. It was my impression the
(as-then-unnamed) hoaxer was a financial partner. I was skeptical the
writer would find a major publishing firm interested in the story but
offered to help verify, if possible, certain aspects of the account.
If I am correct (and admittedly this is conjecture), Heironimus did
have a profit motive. All this does not mean that the Heironimus
account is untrue, simply that Long did not ask all the hard questions
he might have during his multiple interviews. (4)

Korff tells us that Philip Morris, "who made and sold the Bigfoot
costume that Patterson used to fake his movie," has confessed. The
impression Korff leaves is that the Heironimus and Morris accounts
agree, but they don't, at least not to me. Heironimus says that
Patterson made the costume from a red horsehide, while Morris says his
suit was made of an artificial fiber. Heironimus, who owned his own
horse and went to rodeos, would presumably know the difference between
horsehide and nylon fibers. Heironimus said the suit consisted of
three parts: a bottom, a midsection, and a head, while Morris says the
suit consisted of six parts, one for each limb, a middle section, and
a head. Morris says the feet bottoms in his costume were black, yet
they are white in the film. Morris says the arms could be extended by
using sticks for the gloves, whereas Heironimus says nothing about any
arm extensions. In fact, if the Morris costume had "gloves" it would
have consisted of eight parts, not the three described by Heironimus.

Korff then goes on to explain: "Morris distinctly told Patterson how
to hide this zipper from view, advising him to comb down the fur on
the suit with a brush. Sure enough, this Bigfoot, a wild creature
presumably living in the wilderness, is remarkably clean and carefully
groomed." I don't know how many wild animals Korff has seen, but of
the hundreds I have had the chance to observe, including a big black
bear last year, I cannot remember a single unkempt animal.

Perhaps a bigger problem with the Morris story is Patterson paying for
a suit even though Long's book spends at least a hundred pages
explaining how talented Patterson was at making things and how he
seldom paid for anything, especially something he could construct for
himself. As a skeptic, I am unable to accept Morris's story, for I
find the account of Patterson's resourcefulness, artistic
capabilities, and lack of capital much more believable. Long does
establish, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Patterson was a man with
the ability, aptitude, and motive to fake a Bigfoot film. He does this
through multiple interviews with people who were both friends and
victims of Patterson and then supplements testimony with objective
court records, contracts, and photographs.

As skeptics, what would we do if someone with a more credible account
of perpetrating a hoax stepped forward tomorrow? Certainly, one would
think that Korff would have considered this possibility, for in the
television documentary World's Greatest Hoaxes (a program he was
featured in), a man named Jerry Romney, not Heironimus, is identified
as the "man in the ape suit." Romney is even shown doing an impressive
simulation of the "walk" in the Patterson film, sans the suit.

What the two accounts by Morris and Heironimus illustrate is how
convincing both accounts can be, when only one can be correct. I find
it interesting to read Bigfoot Times and note how skeptical of witness
narratives all the Bigfoot proponents have become. When the point of
Heironimus having no profit motive came up, at least one Bigfoot
proponent pointed out how people will say things for the strangest of
reasons, many of them incomprehensible to others (something skeptics
have known for a long time). When the accounts favor a more prosaic
view, can Bigfoot doubters be any less skeptical?

Notes

(1.) The legend of Bigfoot predates the famous August 1958 discovery
by Jerry Crew, near Bluff Creek, California, of a series of Bigfoot
prints. But an AP story and, later, a True magazine article pumped new
life into the tale, and a "modern" era of tracks and sightings began.
Significantly, this is the same area where Patterson filmed the famous
footage. For an excellent account, see Mark Chorvinsky's "Our Strange
World," Fate magazine, July 1993 and November 1993.

(2.) The Saucer Smear article (appearing in two parts in the May and
June 2004 issues) was written by co-editor Karl Pflock, and although
it praises the book, it also voices reasonable reservations.

(3.) For additional reading on Bigfoot, see my articles in SI, Spring
1989, "Evidence for Bigfoot?" and Fall 1994, "Bigfoot Evidence: Are
These Tracks Real?"

(4.) Long is a first-class interviewer, yet there are basic
limitations to the interview format, especially if the subject wishes
to withhold information.

Michael Dennett's first SI article on Bigfoot appeared in the Fall
1982 issue. Appropriately, the article was an account of a Bigfoot
hoaxer coming forward to admit his involvement in the legend of
Sasquatch.
AnotherPullTab
Somebody should point out to the 'critical thinkers' all of the conflicting information from ol Bob.

Critical thinking involves being able to identify BS by its smell.
bf2004
It's interesting that even the skeptics have problems with Heironimus' story, which indicates to me that the skeptical community is not as much on Heironimus' side as Long would have us believe. I will say this, though: this controversy has been going on for a year now, and we're still talking about it, so Long and company pretty much accomplished their goal of having people talk about them.
rams
The above column is, as noted from Skeptical Inquirer. There is another publication, Skeptic Magazine, that is also featuring a Sasquatch article in it's latest edition. Here's a link.

Skeptic Magazine.
socaldave
It's good to be skeptical so I'll say it, I'm more skeptical of BH than the P/G film.
AnotherPullTab
QUOTE(socaldave @ Mar 11 2005, 01:19 PM)
It's good to be skeptical so I'll say it, I'm more skeptical of BH than the P/G film.

Yeah, I agree. One thing that I think every person interested in this field needs is a heavy dose of skepticisim. I believe it helps rather than hinders. Every noise in the brush is NOT BF. Every scrape on the ground isnt a print and so on. Even as much as I believe, Im still skeptical. I want answers and Im going to try to find them.
MrXray
QUOTE(bf2004 @ Mar 10 2005, 04:16 PM)
It's interesting that even the skeptics have problems with Heironimus' story, which indicates to me that the skeptical community is not as much on Heironimus' side as Long would have us believe.

Amen Brother..!

And I also would like to think,

it's all because of some great people who did some damn good "detective" work, They dug deep to expose some of the out right lying from: Long, Heironimus and Morris.
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