A question to Female's who've had BF experiences, I have a theory but somewhat R rated Options

[Elevation]

I am hoping that I can get a decent response from my theory. Although, I believe many females on this board would choose not to answer because of a little embarassment.

Anyways, here's my latest "Saga of stories" I have heard about in the Texas BF stuff.

So here goes:

The guy I know who lives and has had experiences he cannot describe coming from other animals goes something like this---

One of his neighbors who's a retired Doctor and had a decent income bought some property. He had built a nice house, it was in it's own location not too far from the bottoms, and had thick brush all around it.

He moved there with his girlfriend. She was there mostly by herself early on. She began to notice weird things happening.

First when she would go outside during the day or just before dark, she often felt she was being watched. Sometimes, according to him, she could hear something in the woods following her, parallel like most stories seem to describe.

A few times, she had used her female tamp***, and had put them in the trash which had been kept outside. She would rise from bed in the morning to go ot her car, and find the trash scattered about. Apparently it only happened when she had used tamp***s. She become freaked out that something was stalking her and became uncomfortable living in the house so she no longer stays there.

The other story I have heard of was of two hippies. According to him he knows them both and they haven't gotten a day past Woodstock or the late 60's in mentality. They spend a lot of time by themselves, deep in the woods doing hippie, stuff, you can probably imagine what that is.

Their story gets interesting. One night the two were having sex(according to him), they swear that while they were in the act something had run up to the guy, quickly hitting him in the back, and she ended up breaking her hip on his truck.

I know it sounds kooky, but here is a theory of mine. I noticed that is, if the Legend of Boggy creek is true, the question is, what was BF seeking towards the end of the movie?

One thing is constant. Females. I think it would be interesting to find out from Females who have had BF sightings and/or encounters, that when they had them if they were "During their times of the month."

My theory is BF's senses are without a doubt much more heightened than ours are. So their sense of smell probably plays a great deal of interest when they "Appear."

On the flip side, I believe when Males encounter BF it's but sheer coincidence that the two crossed paths by accident.

I was just wondering if any females who had experiences with BF would be willing to back up what I could say, if they could even remember?

[Hairy Man]

I've done a statistical analysis of if females on their cycles have any more/frequent experiences. Although there are, of course, women who have had experiences while on their cycles, but there is NO statistical significance to prove it is more/less likely to draw a bigfoot in.

There seems to be a continuing belief that a woman's cycle carries a sexual attraction pheromone with it. Remember, a woman cycle is purging her body of material not used to maintain a pregnancy. She can't get pregnant during this time and generally is too receptive to mating. Only blood is being expelled...not a sexual odor.

[Elevation]

Well that's interesting, but still I think my theory holds true to an extent. Of course there's no real way of me knowing 100%.

[Hairy Man]

Well, the theory would only hold true if there is evidence to back it up. A used tampon might just attract predators because they smelled blood and thought there was something good there to eat. There is no sexual attraction scent in blood expelled from a woman's body. Our pheromone scent is released prior to menstruation, and only if it includes dinner and a movie.

[MountainLady]

Interesting theory Elevation.. Kathy is right though.. no evidence to back it up. One can only ponder.

On that note I'll say us female zookeepers (when I worked at the zoo) were warned about being around the male gorillas while menstruating.. Something about they may get "frisky" or "act up." Now it's been long enough ago that I don't recall if I was around them during that time of the month as I cared for different animals in differing areas, depending on my schedule. There were days that they seemed more "frisky" than usual, but I can't say for sure the reason was because one of us was getting our monthly visit...

It is also said other animals may act up (stallions, for instance) if they are around a woman during her menstral cycle, but I've never seen it occur, or at least to the extent that I know they are acting up because of a human's menstral cycle.

I really don't know if there is any basis for this or not..

I remember reading a report some time ago (I think it was on Craig's site) about a woman construction-type worker that was menstruating and had relieved herself behind some bushes or a tree. The area was later found torn up.... or something like that.. I don't recall all the details right now. Seems there was a bit more to it than that..
Someone may know which report I'm talking about.

Our pheromone scent is released prior to menstruation, and only if it includes dinner and a movie.

Dinner?? AND a movie?!?!

:marge:



This post has been edited by MountainLady: Nov 8 2004, 01:43 PM

[Sacksquatch]

[usafmedic45]

Didn't Dahinden or Byrne try attracting sasquatch by nailing used tampons or sanitary napkins to trees in the 1970's?

And the dinner has to be at somewhere nice right? And you have to get to pick the movie? Is that how this works?

[Hairy Man]

Interesting theory Elevation.. Kathy is right though.. no evidence to back it up. One can only ponder.

On that note I'll say us female zookeepers (when I worked at the zoo) were warned about being around the male gorillas while menstruating.. Something about they may get "frisky" or "act up." Now it's been long enough ago that I don't recall if I was around them during that time of the month as I cared for different animals in differing areas, depending on my schedule. There were days that they seemed more "frisky" than usual, but I can't say for sure the reason was because one of us was getting our monthly visit...

It is also said other animals may act up (stallions, for instance) if they are around a woman during her menstral cycle, but I've never seen it occur, or at least to the extent that I know they are acting up because of a human's menstral cycle.

Maybe these are just old myths or something? I just called my GYN and she said the same thing....pheremones are designed to attract a mate. When our system is flushing, we are not producing those pheremones. And, as horrible as it sounds, the older we get, the less the pheremones....sniff....

Any primate specialists in here?

[usafmedic45]

Did you tell your GYN why you wanted to know this?

I'm no primate specialist, unless of course the monkey has a breathing problem Then I'll be all over it like a fat kid on a cupcake.

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[MountainLady]

Interesting theory Elevation.. Kathy is right though.. no evidence to back it up. One can only ponder.

On that note I'll say us female zookeepers (when I worked at the zoo) were warned about being around the male gorillas while menstruating.. Something about they may get "frisky" or "act up." Now it's been long enough ago that I don't recall if I was around them during that time of the month as I cared for different animals in differing areas, depending on my schedule. There were days that they seemed more "frisky" than usual, but I can't say for sure the reason was because one of us was getting our monthly visit...

It is also said other animals may act up (stallions, for instance) if they are around a woman during her menstral cycle, but I've never seen it occur, or at least to the extent that I know they are acting up because of a human's menstral cycle.

Maybe these are just old myths or something? I just called my GYN and she said the same thing....pheremones are designed to attract a mate. When our system is flushing, we are not producing those pheremones. And, as horrible as it sounds, the older we get, the less the pheremones....sniff....

Any primate specialists in here?

It's possible they are myths...

I should have stated above that it was over 20 years ago that I was working at the zoo.
:doh: Twenty years ago, primatologists (at least the ones I knew) may have believed gorillas would react to a woman during her cycle and felt they should at least warn female keepers. I have no idea what they would say about it now.



This post has been edited by MountainLady: Nov 8 2004, 04:38 PM

[JayleeD]

My Mom would forbid me to ride my stallion during "that time", but I'd sneak around and do it anyway. I never had a problem. I've been warned by the male members of my family not to hunt from the ground during "that time"...they were afraid a buck deer would go crazy and kill me or something. But, I sneaked around and did that too...no problems.

Good points Kathy. I'd have to see a whole bunch of evidence to believe that bf would be attracted by a woman who's having her "visit from Aunt Sally" as my grandma used to say. :rolleyes:

[ecwool]

I remember reading a report some time ago (I think it was on Craig's site) about a woman construction-type worker that was menstruating and had relieved herself behind some bushes or a tree. The area was later found torn up.... or something like that.. I don't recall all the details right now. Seems there was a bit more to it than that..
Someone may know which report I'm talking about.

This is the link to the report in question. The woman did relieve herself behind a tree. Shortly afterwards, she along with the crew she was working with, noticed a strange odor and had the feeling of being watched. The next day, tracks and damage to the tree were found.

[Hairy Man]

Did you tell your GYN why you wanted to know this?

I'm no primate specialist, unless of course the monkey has a breathing problem Then I'll be all over it like a fat kid on a cupcake.

I just asked my gyn if being on your cycle in the forest would attract wild animals, like bears and deer...and the answer was no. Mountain Lady just sent me a link that says the same thing. It's a myth...plain and simple!

Now urine, I think, is a more interesting substance, as ecwool just stated.

[ontheloose]

ya know, maybe creatures think of you as injured, possible easy food source etc, but i have been near a male gorillas cage and a stallions pen while menstrating, and both times they exposed themselves, and while camping while on that time of the month, the animals seem to get closer in, again, because of the blood smell, they may think of easy prey, thats my 2 cents..........

[MountainLady]

Here's the link:

Two Myths...

What role do odors play in the human menstrual cycle?

Do human menstrual odors act as attractants?

http://zebra.biol.sc.edu/smell/ann/myth3.html

This post has been edited by MountainLady: Nov 8 2004, 05:39 PM

[Angie]

Okay, okay, I'll respond. Not that my info will help but anyway....I was once (I believe) followed by a BF while menstruating. I am almost positive that it would have known as I did "relieve" myself and it was directly downwind of me. We also had a scream occur while I was cycling (Ha!). On that occasion, I did have an intense feeling of being watched. I do believe that was just coincidental. I did not "lure" it in with my scent. We intruded on it.

Anywho, I dont really believe that a BF would be attracted out of purely sexual reasons upon smelling a PMSing woman. Could be the reasoning in some cases. Who knows? I have my own theory about the "Period" thing. It lets the BF know that we are definitely female. Females are less threatening. Really, I have reasons for feeling that is more of a factor than sexual attraction. Again, that's just my personal theory.

Also, you can get pregnant while menstruating. It all depends on if the egg is still attatched to your uteran wall or not.

Also, also..I dont buy anything about predators being attracted to the menstrual scent. It is not the same scent as a "fresh kill". The only animal on the NA continent that I know of that is supposedly attracted to it, is the Polar bear. Cant say I personally know but that's what biologists say.

[Hairy Man]

Well, you'd think if a bigfoot knew we were PMSing, he'd run the other way....

[Angie]

Ha! You would think that, wouldnt ya?

[Elevation]

Urine also seems to be the big factor with BF.

As I stated in my Texas post, when my friend and his friend had urinated in the woods, and left his truck that is when they came back to find the drivers side door completely bent forward and, next to the truck, where they had urinated a hole was dug into the ground and mud was smeared across the truck.

A lot of animals Urinate as a means to "mark their territory." Dogs do this all the time, when walking my dog and letting him go free as he pleases, it's interesting to see the trail he walks...he's always on another dogs' scent most of the time. They also like to pee here and there as to re-claim their territory.

I bet in BF's habitat much of the same is true.

I'm not sure about the predator thing, some of you guys took that in a slightly different direction....but, BF and Humans are both Hominids, correct?

I am sure BF is, on occasion seeking a mate. It would be interesting to find out if Female BF's travel together or are also territorial. I would think that male BF's are territorial.

[Paul1968UK]

I'm just gonna throw my two €uros worth in here and say that all I know on the subject is that young girls working in racing yards are nearly always kept away from the Stallions during their cycle, because it makes the stallions act very odd, and have been know to attack.

I dunno whether it is because of the cycle, or because of the smell - It might just be because the girls have PMT and they piss the horses off !

[lookoutman7]

Part of life...Ladies - and the article makes sense. Very good points.

Just slightly off topic, and concerning the possibility of the New Giant
Apes found in Africa, Primatologist Shelly Williams told New Scientist:

"THESE GUYS WERE QUIET. AND THEY WERE HUGE. THEY WERE COMING
IN FOR THE KILL. I WAS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THEM, AND AS SOON
AS THEY SAW MY FACE, THEY STOPPED AND DISAPPEARED."

If that is true, a woman may be of no threat to them or Sasquatch - who
really knows thus far? But if I remember correctly, and concerning the
Bear's nose, they can smell things up to six kilometers away...roughly?

There are just so many possibilities, and this thread is another example.

[Elevation]

Part of life...Ladies - and the article makes sense. Very good points.

Just slightly off topic, and concerning the possibility of the New Giant
Apes found in Africa, Primatologist Shelly Williams told New Scientist:

"THESE GUYS WERE QUIET. AND THEY WERE HUGE. THEY WERE COMING
IN FOR THE KILL. I WAS DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF THEM, AND AS SOON
AS THEY SAW MY FACE, THEY STOPPED AND DISAPPEARED."

If that is true, a woman may be of no threat to them or Sasquatch - who
really knows thus far? But if I remember correctly, and concerning the
Bear's nose, they can smell things up to six kilometers away...roughly?

There are just so many possibilities, and this thread is another example.

Obviously animals living in the forest have heightened senses.

Sharks have an incredible sense of smell and can smell blood in the water from miles away, and will follow it.

Sharks can also determine when something is struggling in the water but a heightened sense of hearing.

I would tend to think that BF can hear incredibly great distances. In other words, he probably knows you're coming far before you know of him.

As far as attracting BF here's another story-

The other neighbor of my friends has a problem with Cackles. If you're not familiar with Cackles, they are a native Texas bird, decent in size and they travel in very large flocks. When they move the whole sky can become black like a cloud.

Anyways, the Cackles were cacaing all over his house and his car. At night they were attracted to his house because of the motion detector lights they believe.

The neighbor got fed up with Cackles, ca-caing all over his house and car. So one night, just before dark he had gone down to Home Depot and purchased some kind of Cackle deterrent. I can't describe what it is entirely, but it's something that claps together and makes a rather loud noise.

Apparently he was chasing the birds from tree-to-tree just before sunset. As it got darker he had gotten somewhat deeper into the woods. There was still just barely enough light for him. As he kept hitting his device to scare the birds something began running towards him....He heard the large foot-steps and the brush moving through the grass. Alone, near sundown and away from his house he dropped his device and ran back to his house in fear.

So I believe a combination of food, urine, and sound will attract BF the best. :willies: :willies:

[lookoutman7]

Interesting!

[Hairy Man]

Elevation - one thing that hasn't been brought up is the use of pheromones. Dr. Juice makes them, and they are a mix of human female and gorilla female sex hormones. He impregnates wax disks with the smell and we use them in the field to TRY and attract bigfoots (hopefully, a young male.

Here is an interesting note. I have everyone I know smell the chips and generally, women can only smell a faint urine smell. Men - however - generally have a strong reaction....my son cried because the smell burned his eyes and nose.

[Elevation]

Elevation - one thing that hasn't been brought up is the use of pheromones. Dr. Juice makes them, and they are a mix of human female and gorilla female sex hormones. He impregnates wax disks with the smell and we use them in the field to TRY and attract bigfoots (hopefully, a young male.

Here is an interesting note. I have everyone I know smell the chips and generally, women can only smell a faint urine smell. Men - however - generally have a strong reaction....my son cried because the smell burned his eyes and nose.

That's very interesting. How much do they cost?

[Hairy Man]

For me, they cost $30, which just covers production and shipping. I don't know if they are yet available for non-BFRO members to purchase. We've only had them for a few years and while I think they are helpful in the field, I think they are still in the testing phase.

I am pretty sure that many a person has tried the female/cycle test in the field, and as far as I can tell, there hasn't been much success. Like I said before, I think urine is likely a better tool...

[rolltide]

I admit that I am not a female, but I have heard of them. That said, I will relate a couple of items of interest.

There is one place where the residents were constantly experiencing what they considered BF related incidents. So much so that they eventually left the house for that reason and it was still vacant at last contact. They did say that the wife would have to go stay with her mother once per month because the activity would increase then. It scared everyone male and female in the house. They now live a short distance away and still have occasional incidents. The man, who works in his garage a lot, never goes out to the garage without a firearm. If an incident occurs, he will leave the garage immediately and walk back to the house. He will not return to the garage for several days after that. I have not been able to confirm any of this, but that was the story told me by the witness (the woman.)

I have read statements about bear safety that warn menstruating women to be especially cautious. Strong smells of any kind attract bears and can make them aggressive. It certainly would have nothing to do with sexual attraction with bears. It is also noted that women are often targets for bears because the use many scented body care products. It is possible that BF, like other animals, could be attracted and "set off" by these strong smells.

It is commonly recognized by many that BF seem to approach women and children more than males. Some of the Native American names for BF have to do with "those who carry off women and children."

Whether it has anything to do with sex or scent, or is just the generally less threatening behavior of females, or a combination of the two, is anyone's guess.

Just my 2 pesos.

Now let me leave before I really get embarrassed.

[MountainLady]

Hey Rolltide

If you read that link I posted on the previous page, you'll see they did a study with bears and human menstruation and found the bears just weren't interested..

[rolltide]

Ok Mt. Lady,
I read it and now I am really embarrased. THANKS

Actually, in the 3 tests involving wild bears.

1st - 2 out of 22 did show interest even though they were in the middle of a smorgasbord of garbage.

2nd - 6 out of 7 bears showed interest while feeding on corn.

3rd - Their was no way to document interest since they were left on the bear trail and the bear's behavior was not actually observed.

The only tests with live women and bears was done on tame bears who I presume were well fed and extremely habituated to human contact.

If I were a woman who frequented bear country, I would not find those results very comforting. How would a bear in the wild who had not eaten for a while or was trying to bulk up just before hybernation react to a LIVE woman who was menstruating, not just the ta...., the tam..., the t.... , well, you know. (I used to hate it when my wife would send me for those, thanks again for the FLASHBACK.) There have also been more recent attacks on menstruating females than those cited in that link.

Just be careful out there.

Roll Tide

[clownboy]

Maybe BF males are just like most human males...he does'nt care if she's on her period or not...him smell female...him want female...oooga oooga!



"That was the Ted Nugent Orchestra...with their rendition of Wang, Dang, Sweet Poontang...in B minor."

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[robbcat]

Check out the "in the field" section.

[Maheekat]

Maybe BF males are just like most human males...he does'nt care if she's on her period or not...him smell female...him want female...oooga oooga!



"That was the Ted Nugent Orchestra...with their rendition of Wang, Dang, Sweet Poontang...in B minor."

I was ok till I saw that....I'd rather go get a t...tam...forget it.

[ouachita]

I admit that I am not a female, but I have heard of them.

Man, we got them all over the place down here!