2000 Oklahoma casino BF video, Is this video real? Options

[bigstinkyfoot]

This BF video report report mentions a video taken of a sasquatch digging up a grease pit on a casino on an indian reservation in Oklahoma. The video mentions 3-4 foot strides which seems more human than BF, but I would be very interested to know if this video was investigated and what the outcome of any investigation was. This report was brought to my attention by another BFF (RingMonster) member who has personal knowledge that the video does exist. Has anyone heard of it? Was it investigated? Was it deemed a hoax?
BSF

Edited to include the BFF Member's name (RingMonster).

This post has been edited by bigstinkyfoot: Oct 3 2004, 08:59 PM

[bigstinkyfoot]

I did a search on this here at BFF (Oklahoma casino video). Got a few hundred matches, but none that I checked mentioned the video I am asking about. Only checked the most promising-sounding threads. No one has heard of the video?
BSF

[ontheloose]

i have, have been there, i know some of the people researching the area, respectively, unless you are a tribal member, or someone they trust, your not going to get much information, i believe the bia has the video, just not sure about all the details and red tape about that certain video, i've heard it disappeared, but i'm sure somebody has a copy of it, and i'm sure the bia has the original........

[bigstinkyfoot]

Thank you, Ontheloose. That would make sense. Good reason why no one knows if it is hoaxed or not. If it is the tribe's video, they certainly have the right to do with it as they see fit. Seems they would want to have an expert look at it, but, as I said, it's their tape.
BSF

Edit: What's the "bia"?

Also, interesting avatar. Wonder what would be the result if you plopped that head on Linda Carter's body?

This post has been edited by bigstinkyfoot: Oct 4 2004, 09:53 AM

[RingMonster]

bia = Bureau of Indian Affairs

[RB]

Damn good advertising for a casino... IMO...

My marketing degree tells me it's all smoke and mirrors...

But then, I look really good smoking in front of a mirror, so it ain't a total loss...

[bigstinkyfoot]

That very well could be, RB. Would be very interesting to see the video, wouldn't it?
BSF

[RingMonster]

I don't think it was a marketing deal the only way I found out about was I was doing some work for the casino. The only other mention of it I've ever seen was that report.

[RB]

Hmmm… could be… but…

I somehow imagine Native American Tribes are not immune to internal politics…

They are Americans, after all…

And I imagine money plays a part somewhere...

[RingMonster]

You lost me Rb care to elaborate?

[RB]

Power struggles… control of money… control of information… many motives to have rumors… rumors of a video of bigfoot… “I have it and you don’t” sort of thing…

While I’m not saying this is merely a rumor, because I have no way of knowing that… I’m just saying that money can cause folks, no matter how good or bad their intentions may be, to have and distribute mis-information… either knowingly or unknowingly…

All that is reported on Bobbie Short’s site is the rumor of some bigfoot on a video… and unless you see some video, that’s all it is, a rumor…

I’m just speculating as to some possible reasons why someone might wish to disclose information regarding the possible existence of a possible video of a bigfoot at a casino…

While multiple reports of possible sightings in a given area may indeed lend credence to the possible existence of said video, the mere mention of a video in and of itself gets publicity…

Remember when Jerry Rivers hyped the opening of Al Capone’s vault? This went on for months… when the event finally came to fruition; it was one of the most watched shows on television to date… mission accomplished… and yet there was nothing but rumors and empty promises… but you can damn well bet millions were made off those empty rumors…

Money… greed… power… personal agendas… all these lend themselves to a possibility of mis-direction… but then, I’m the skeptical type…

Show me the video and we can talk… otherwise, it’s just another good story…

[RingMonster]

That's actually the point that makes me think there is a real video.
Like I said it was not used to hype the casino there was no mention of it in the news or on the radio. In fact I would not even know about it's exsistance if I hadn't heard about it from a casino employee. If they did do it for publicity they did a sorry job of it. besides the report that makes refrence to it. I can't find one single mention of it anywhere. All I wanted to know was did anyone else hear about it or talk to the casino about it?

[RingMonster]

I guess this video was more known than I thought. Roger Roberts claims to have viewed it on the Oklahoma episode of mysterious encounters. He said it was supposedly destroyed would be nice if someone could get this tape if it still exists.

[BenThere_2]

The video (to my knowledge) is real.
I don't know if Rodger viewed it or not but I do know
a zealous investigator approached it without permission ,
in fact he was told of it in confidance,
then arrived at the location demanding access.
The results were (and this is only heresay) a GAG on any employee about the incident, and public knowledge was only THERE IS NO VIDEO.

The so called investigator showed up with TV crew in tow.
It's no wonder they shut it down.

In confidance I have been told by another researcher the video is a security shot
overlooking the grease trap and garbage.
The locals say BF traveled through this area, they built the casino on for years.

The shot of the BF was judged by a security light outside
and the creature was said to be 8-9 feet in heigth.

As OTL I know a couple of Bigfooter's in the area and
they have all had the same opinion that this video was REAL but now is GONE.

This same area has been investigated for years.
The tribes have told many stories of the bigfoot creature in ceremony
and gatherings as well as personal encounters at homes.

I don't know that the "BIA" got it. For what?
I think the Tribe that owns the Casino
destroyed it for fear of running off customers.
No Fear = More Money.
And the employees fear for their jobs.

jmo

Robert

[Bf believer]

I guess this video was more known than I thought. Roger Roberts claims to have viewed it on the Oklahoma episode of mysterious encounters. He said it was supposedly destroyed would be nice if someone could get this tape if it still exists.

No doubt I would love to see that video. Does anyone know what county this supposedly took place in? Or even better what city? Also what year? The link doesnt seem to wanna work for me.

This post has been edited by Bf believer: Jan 3 2005, 10:50 PM

[RingMonster]

Anyone have a close date to when it was shot?

This post has been edited by RingMonster: Jan 4 2005, 03:15 AM

[RingMonster]

Bf believer,
It happened in concho which I believe is in canadian county.

Roger Roberts says he watched the tape on the show. Wonder why there is not a bfro report on it?

This post has been edited by RingMonster: Jan 4 2005, 03:31 AM

[Mel.Skahan]

I was called out to do an investigation for a tribe, using their equipment (video, digital camera), they wanted someone up there as soon as possible. After investigation and they, the higher ups were walked through the area (showed where they entered area and left; witness only seen one, but there were two other sets of tracks found that day) and all photos viewed, they took them.

Could not say anything about it, it was their equipment and we were on the clock, we were at work at the time, they wanted someone up there. So understand why the video and pictures disappeared.

Don't know if the witness was told not to get the press involved, but nobody was told of incident outside of the tribal workers that were in attendance. Word had gotten out and while up there days later, there were a number of people showing up to site.





This post has been edited by BiPedal: Jan 4 2005, 06:49 AM

[RingMonster]

Am I reading that right? You worked on the casino video?

[Mel.Skahan]

No, I was relaying a story from another tribal government that had taken all the photos and video from the investigation of a large biped. It was the tribal council that had taken control of all materials, not showing other enrolled members.

The casino story mentions that the BIA (Bureau of Indian Affairs) collected the evidence.

Thought it might help that this is not the only tribe to take and not share evidence of a bipedal figure with the rest of the world, if their story is true.

[billgreen2005bigfoot]

hi everyone i would be very interested in seeing this oklahoma sasquatch filmfootage please email me how to contact the eyewittness billgreenbg@aol.com please keep me posted ok. thanks bill green ct sasquatch researcher. please keep in touch ok..

[bigstinkyfoot]

Bill, I do not think it is possible to see it. It may be held by the tribal council, or the BIA, and is, as far as I know, open for viewing by the public. If I hear of anything more on this video, or the incident itself, I will definately contact you. Welcome to BFF. If I can be of any help to you, feel free to contact me through PM.
BSF

This post has been edited by bigstinkyfoot: Jan 10 2005, 01:17 PM

[dbdonlon]

Why would BF show up on the security cameras of an Indian Casino but not on security cameras off reservation? Something doesn't add up there..

[billgreen2005bigfoot]

hi researchers i agree with both of your bigfoot posts. bill green. p.s. whats new about bigfoot related activity in your states.

[RingMonster]

dbdonlon,

I don't quite follow what your asking. I guess it showed up on thier camera because it was outside the casino getting in the dumpster.

As for your refrence as to why it does not show up on camera off the reservation you lost me there .

[bigstinkyfoot]

hi researchers i agree with both of your bigfoot posts. bill green. p.s. whats new about bigfoot related activity in your states.

Bill Green, I have been out several times during the holiday season, but nothing BF connected. I think there is some sort of seasonal connection with my particular BigFoot site. I have found essentially nothing since the TBRC/BFRO joined me at that locality in November. If I do find something, I will post.
BSF

[billgreen2005bigfoot]

hi researchers i agree with both of your bigfoot posts. bill green. p.s. whats new about bigfoot related activity in your states.

Bill Green, I have been out several times during the holiday season, but nothing BF connected. I think there is some sort of seasonal connection with my particular BigFoot site. I have found essentially nothing since the TBRC/BFRO joined me at that locality in November. If I do find something, I will post.
BSF

hi bigstinkyfoot, thanks for replying back to me. bill green

[AngelS]

Here are my thoughts on this subject...

First of all,
Many Indian tribes look at Bigfoot as a protected almost sacred individual. Therefore, would not want it hunted or killed on their land. Hence any cover up.

Second of all,
Casinos are big business. Patrons may not feel safe walking to their cars if word got out that there are big monkeys hanging out at the local grease pit.

Lastly,
Regarding video from other businesses not on Casino land. In California almost all businesses have surveillance but it is not even viewed unless a crime has been committed. My point is that Bigfoot could be on hundreds of surveillance videos and never be detected cause no one wants to sit around watching hours of boring tape in hopes of catching the big guy.

Unless, he happens to be near the next drive by shooting...we will never see any of this video surface.
JMHO

[billgreen2005bigfoot]

hi angel nice to meet you i agree your post most indian tribes see sasquatch as a god or spirit of the wilderness. bill green

[COCO B]

As AngelS said many surveillance videos are not viewed unless there is a crime. Some even use loop videos. Others erase the tape and use it many many times. (This also makes the picture not so clear)

I don't it has anything to do with marketing either. Although it would attract us, I don't think the number of people into bigfoot is enough to justify using bigfoot as the main draw. Not yet anyway.

[billgreen2005bigfoot]

hi coco i agree with your post. bill green please keep in touch.. have you ever encountered a sasquatch im just wondering.

[dbdonlon]

dbdonlon,

I don't quite follow what your asking. I guess it showed up on thier camera because it was outside the casino getting in the dumpster.

As for your refrence as to why it does not show up on camera off the reservation you lost me there .

We don't have any footage from survailance cameras anywhere, though we do have "ghost" photos from these here and there. So why would there be two stories of BF showing up on SC on reservations, and yet none from anywhere else? Does that not strike you as odd? I would imagine (without looking into it) that there are many places not on a reservation where the supposed BF population is high enough to warrant an occasional film. Yet all we have is two stories about films that once existed but not anymore, and both come from reservations.

[Hairy Man]

The video does not exist anymore. The tribe destroyed it after word of the video leaked out to the public. Several BFRO members saw the video before it was destroyed and said it was truly awesome. You can see a reenactment on one of the Mysterious Encounters shows.

Also, only businesses have surveillance cameras. The casino's was aimed to the back to cover the parking lot (not the dumpster or grease trap).

Although many reservations have had sightings, all over the country, reservations do not have cameras on the rest of their land. That's too expensive and doesn't serve a purpose.