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 Sep 14 2004, 01:00 PM
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Three toes - Zoobie  Group: Members Posts: 121 Joined: 25-March 04 From: San Diego Member No.: 900  |
I really appreciate all your research and hope you keep it up. It shows a historical pattern of sightings. Not all of them were demented men living naked in the woods.
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Sep 14 2004, 01:48 PM
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Resident Proofreader  Group: Members Posts: 4,220 Joined: 4-July 03 From: Seattle, WA Member No.: 266 |
I've checked that source--they say they are adding 1,000,000 pages a month to their database, so that after 18 months or so it will have doubled--at which point you'll have to repeat your search! (I wonder if they have a way to exclude pages added before the prior search date from the current search. Maybe someone should suggest adding that feature to them.)
I've seen some of these stories in Bigfoot books and articles. The ones that are new to Bigfootery should be somehow flagged, or an index created that indicates which are new, by someone. I presume most people are aware of the debunking article in Strange magazine #5 (edited by Mark Corvinsky), which argues that because most early-days newspaper accounts didn't mention a foul odor or great height, they were referring to crazy hermits and banished lunatics and the like, not true ape-men. This post has been edited by RogerKni: Sep 14 2004, 01:49 PM |
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Sep 14 2004, 03:43 PM
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Official BFF Historian  Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 15-January 04 Member No.: 635 |
QUOTE(RogerKni @ Sep 14 2004, 01:48 PM) I presume most people are aware of the debunking article in Strange magazine #5 (edited by Mark Corvinsky), which argues that because most early-days newspaper accounts didn't mention a foul odor or great height, they were referring to crazy hermits and banished lunatics and the like, not true ape-men. He obviously didn't read my very first post regarding the capture of an 8' 3" hair-covered "wild man of the woods" with 2 cubs in 1839! Once I compile these into a digestible format, maybe I'll send him one to look over!  Many of these articles, in fact, do describe large, hair-covered manimal sightings. The skeptics never really try to examine these historical roots...when they are presented with them, they explain them away without facts or logic. Just like the people did in the 1800s! What I find compelling is the "historical consistancy" all the way up to today! tirademan (doubling their archives? ouch!  )
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Sep 15 2004, 05:53 PM
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Official BFF Historian Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 15-January 04 Member No.: 635 |
OK, found a couple more I downloaded, but missed in the cleanup...A cool Yeti cartoon from 1942!
...Shipton's find and some other tracks...the Wompus story is interesting in that the animal in question sounds pretty odd...but once again, described as human tracks with night prowling...more consistancy. tirademan
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Sep 15 2004, 05:55 PM
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Official BFF Historian Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 15-January 04 Member No.: 635 |
Said he found the tracks many times in the past...
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Sep 15 2004, 05:56 PM
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Official BFF Historian Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 15-January 04 Member No.: 635 |
Another explorer sees tracks...
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Sep 15 2004, 06:05 PM
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Two stars - Mountain Devil  Group: Members Posts: 2,305 Joined: 7-May 03 From: Long Beach, CA Member No.: 221 |
PDF :dancedude: PDF :dancedude: PDF :dancedude:
(there's no 'cheerleading' smilie) 
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Sep 15 2004, 06:05 PM
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Official BFF Historian Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 15-January 04 Member No.: 635 |
The curious story of the wompus...a lot of footprints at night from the sound of it!
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Sep 15 2004, 06:10 PM
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Official BFF Historian Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 15-January 04 Member No.: 635 |
QUOTE(chronic @ Sep 15 2004, 06:05 PM) PDF :dancedude: PDF :dancedude: PDF :dancedude: (there's no 'cheerleading' smilie) I keep getting distracted while laying out the PDF because I'm finding stuff I missed! Rest assured that I found these last 4 while working on it!  I'm trying to get it "Quarked" so I can make some copies of it to give to people who are going to be at the upcoming conferences. I'll keep you posted...pun intended tirademan |
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Sep 15 2004, 07:06 PM
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Official BFF Historian Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 15-January 04 Member No.: 635 |
Sasquatch goes on a killing spree in 1764!...I'm not kidding!
Someone want to look up that old French stuff? tirademan
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Sep 15 2004, 11:01 PM
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Resident Proofreader Group: Members Posts: 4,220 Joined: 4-July 03 From: Seattle, WA Member No.: 266 |
Regarding the skeptical article in Strange magazine--I don't think it's too persuasive, because most of its accounts would have been of the 6-footish Eastern or Southern Bigfoot, and because the large majority of current sightings (over 75%) don't mention an odor. And it's pretty far-fetched to think witnesses then couldn't have distinguished a beast from a crazy, hairy hermit most of the time.
Here's another possible treasure trove for researchers that I just discovered a few hours ago: http://www.highbeam.com. It is another pay site ($20/mo., $100/year) that contains magazine & newspaper articles from the past 25 years, books, etc., 90% of which it claims aren't available on the regular (free) web. I found 1900+ magazine articles when I searched for "Bigfoot OR Sasquatch". You can also configure it to alert you as new items are added that match your search profile. (I hope that the database Tirademan is working with will provide that, otherwise a lot of effort will be duplicated down the road in checking for new stories that have been added.) |
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Sep 17 2004, 02:11 PM
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Official BFF Historian Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 15-January 04 Member No.: 635 |
QUOTE(RogerKni @ Sep 15 2004, 11:01 PM) Regarding the skeptical article in Strange magazine--I don't think it's too persuasive...And it's pretty far-fetched to think witnesses then couldn't have distinguished a beast from a crazy, hairy hermit most of the time. Here's another possible treasure trove for researchers that I just discovered a few hours ago: http://www.highbeam.com. It is another pay site ($20/mo., $100/year) that contains magazine & newspaper articles from the past 25 years, books, etc., Roger, thanks for the link...too bad they don't have older magazines! I don't think the newspaperarchive.com database is really that sophisticated, so it probably will take effort to screen the new additions. I agree with you on that argument being un-persuasive. Most people say what they see. I think naked "wild men" wouldn't strike terror in the hearts people as I read in many of these "wild man" reports. It's the NON-witnesses who strive to find an "easy" or "unremarkable" explanation! That is one of the things that impacts me about these old reports...their consistancy. Not only in what people claim to have seen, BUT in how the "skeptics" explain these sightings away. Not much has changed since then.  tirademan PS!- I just finished the first draft of the, count 'em, 118 page "Big News Prints 1!" I made a test PDF of it and it's a whopping 20mb...but smaller than I thought. The PDF won't generate nearly the detail that my Quark document can. I've layed it out 2-sided and will distribute 1st generation copies so that more copies can be made from them. I will put the PDF online soon as well, but it really doesn't compare to my original printouts of the higher resolution files (because the PDF is generating 72dpi jpegs) 
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Sep 17 2004, 02:13 PM
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Official BFF Historian Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 15-January 04 Member No.: 635 |
QUOTE(RogerKni @ Sep 15 2004, 11:01 PM) Regarding the skeptical article in Strange magazine--I don't think it's too persuasive...And it's pretty far-fetched to think witnesses then couldn't have distinguished a beast from a crazy, hairy hermit most of the time. Here's another possible treasure trove for researchers that I just discovered a few hours ago: http://www.highbeam.com. It is another pay site ($20/mo., $100/year) that contains magazine & newspaper articles from the past 25 years, books, etc., Roger, thanks for the link...too bad they don't have older magazines! I don't think the newspaperarchive.com database is really that sophisticated, so it probably will take effort to screen the new additions. I agree with you on that argument being un-persuasive. Most people say what they see. I think naked "wild men" wouldn't strike terror in the hearts of people as I've read in many of these "wild man" reports. It's the NON-witnesses who strive to find an "easy" or "unremarkable" explanation! That is one of the things that impacts me about these old reports...their consistancy. Not only in what people claim to have seen, BUT in how the "skeptics" explain these sightings away. Not much has changed... tirademan PS!- I just finished the first draft of the, count 'em, 118 page "Big News Prints 1!" I made a test PDF of it and it's a whopping 20mb...but smaller than I thought. The PDF won't generate nearly the detail that my Quark document can. I've layed it out 2-sided and will distribute 1st generation copies so that more copies can be made from them. I will put the PDF online soon as well, but it really doesn't compare to my original printouts of the higher resolution files (because the PDF is generating 72dpi jpegs)
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Sep 22 2004, 08:40 PM
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Official BFF Historian Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 15-January 04 Member No.: 635 |
Well, I saw Daniel Perez's remaining questions about the Patterson film and so I searched on "bigfoot" and "Roger Patterson" from that era. Didn't find any answers, but did find a couple of mentions and the Ivan Sanderson article...not to mention an article explaining those pesky camera theft charges Roger had filed against him...
I'll start with an earlier 1966 article about "Bigfoot" which I thought interesting. tirademan
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Sep 22 2004, 08:42 PM
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OK, I guess he needed the camera to show to those damn "scientists!"
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Sep 22 2004, 08:44 PM
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I came across some of the original photos and stories...nothing that hasn't been seen, but interesting nonetheless...
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Sep 22 2004, 08:45 PM
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More of those early reports with the photo...
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Sep 22 2004, 08:46 PM
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Official BFF Historian Group: Members Posts: 1,304 Joined: 15-January 04 Member No.: 635 |
A mention of Roger's quest...
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Sep 22 2004, 08:47 PM
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OK, the Ivan Sanderson early article on the Patterson film.
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Sep 22 2004, 08:48 PM
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And Family Weekly adds their hard-hitting investigation!
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Sep 22 2004, 08:50 PM
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"...substantial sums in prospect?"
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Sep 30 2004, 06:14 PM
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Well, the flood gates have opened!
In my original searches, I was limiting my finds to pre-1956 as I was trying to find things "pre-hype." Well, I missed a bunch of stuff by doing that! I've got a huge pile to wade through...here's a start... I wonder what kind of stories they collected?! tirademan
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Sep 30 2004, 06:23 PM
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John Green mentioned...
It has been interesting to go through these newspapers "in time." I've gotten a good feel of how Sasquatch has been reported through the decades and how the "viewpoint" has been changing. An unknown wildman, connected to Native tales, dismissed and laughed at, finally questioned, and now studied! Progress! tirademan
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Sep 30 2004, 06:25 PM
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An early personal ad...
Interesting too, the names I've come across...seems there were a bunch of searchers out there before! tirademan
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Sep 30 2004, 06:26 PM
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I found many articles like this...
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Sep 30 2004, 06:29 PM
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Anybody heard of that Wyatt journal in the previous post? hmmm...
Here's one of several with Rene... tirademan
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Sep 30 2004, 06:30 PM
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Wonder where he went?
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Sep 30 2004, 06:33 PM
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This is the Canadian report that is followed by the exposure of the "hoax." I posted those stories previously.
Another thing I found interesting is that there seems to be a trend of hoaxes AFTER "genuine" sightings! Kids get the idea planted and then go for the gorilla suit to scare people the next couple days. I found at least 3 or 4 examples of that, and not all recent! tirademan
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Sep 30 2004, 06:35 PM
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Bob says..."It's not a question of thinking they exist. I know positively."
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Sep 30 2004, 06:39 PM
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Wounded?...damn...I did find several where "I knew I hit it" reports were filed about gunshots....hmmmph
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Sep 30 2004, 06:41 PM
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Mr. Tom Steenburg in the news...
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Sep 30 2004, 06:42 PM
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And I think I found 3 of these in the "kids" sections of newspapers over the years! Ask Andy!
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Sep 30 2004, 06:44 PM
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OK, not much to do with Sasquatch, but it's a Ford?
Hmmm...never heard of it! Course, I was 13 in '76! tirademan
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