New direction for IR&DA forum?, Split from another thread. Options

[JanV]

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For reference, here's Angie's post:

Well, I'm back. I had to take care of one of my new years resolutions yesterday. I cleaned out my closet.

Back to the subject at hand. Terry seems to be upset that I challenged the CBO to match me evidence for evidence.

I'll admit that I wasnt in the best state of mind when I posted that. I still stand by it though. That night I had pretty much had enough of all the BS that is posted in the BF community. For the first time in months I browsed other message boards. After wasting my time for an hour or so, I posted that. I was being a little rash by saying "show ME the evidence". I really dont want to have a look see at their evidence since there is no way in hell I would give them my address or phone number. It would be best if they just posted their evidence publicly. Put it up on their website. And why is that too much to ask? They are more than willing to put up their "stories". I am so sick and tired of this group and MGs group and GCBRO....and any others that I am too disgusted to mention. People out there that make all these outrageous claims. Im not outright calling anyone a liar but, really, they need to provide some evidence that what they are claiming is true. You'd think that that is what they would do....but NOOOO, they just keep on claiming a bunch of crap and everyone else is supposed to believe it. People withhold info because they dont want their secrets being revealed. "They'll just have to get out in the field and work for it" they say. "I had to work for it, I'm not going to hand it over for free." "Everyone else is a bunch of arm-chair researchers." "Nobody works as hard as me." "BFs dont do this or that. I know but I'm not going to tell you because it is my little secret."

And then we have the "others"...."I shot a BF. Got blood and guts but I'm not going to prove it." "I've been socializing with BFs for 50 years but I'm not giving any evidence for anyone to see. Just my outrageous stories." "Hell yeah! I know the penis sizes of 4 different male BFs! But I dont have any hair, DNA, casts, pictures, video, or any other kind of physical proof." "Well, I toss marshmallows to BFs on a regular basis but I dont have any physical proof either." "I hid in a dumpster, with a BIG gun...full intentions of killing a BF but when he showed up...well, I just changed my mind and didnt feel like killing him....now I'm retired....AND I have no physical proof." "I get growled at and an occasional rock thrown at me pretty regularly...at my "hotspot", but I dont even have any audio to back my words up, let alone any other kind of physical proof."

Oh, and there is a BUNCH more crap being said. I'm just sick of it all. This stuff does nothing but hurt the BF communitys credibility. It also messes up my own investigations. Not that I actually believe what they say..but I do waste time contemplating it...then I find myself out "in the field" investigating...going over possibilities in my head and then I'm like No that was said by that nutcase....no proof was ever given to validate that claim...and then I'm really feeling like an ass when I'm out on a hill or in a valley hollering "NNNNAAAAAWWWWKKK" and then later find out that the one who said that meant "friend" also has nothing to back up her words. In fact, she is now claiming many more absurd things.

Then, luckily we have some who realize the importance of eliminating this BS. They investigate. They actually take the time to try and either prove the validity of these people or show them for the CROCK that they are. A good example is when JCs neighbors were contacted. JC wasnt showing any proof. So ask the helpful neighbors. You know? The ones who are so gracious to donate blankets and food....Their answers did not validate JCs claims. And then what? It gets accused that the search engine used to locate them neighbors is flawed. That makes all the difference! Just because ONE person THINKS the engine is flawed...that shoots that investigation all to s**t. Give me a break!

All this crap just makes the BF world seem like a big joke. I guess it is a game to some. I dont see how so many people can not take this seriously. This is a big thing here. An unknown hominid. This whole concept will change the world as we know it. But yet some just wanna toy with it. Some want to profit...whatever. Some want to make up a bunch of stories for attention.... Some want to be so gullible as to claim everything is BF related... Some want to horde thier evidence...like it is doing them any good. Seems to me that if everyone collectively pooled their knowledge then we'd start getting somewhere.

Yeah. My challenge still stands at the CBO. I can match their evidence right now. I have film with tree-breaks. I have and can take more pictures of tree-twists. I can match any one of MG/JCs blobsquatch photos. I tell you what though....I'd like to extend that challenge for the year of 2004. I also will make that challenge to any other group out there. Show your evidence publicly and I'll show mine. Dont really need to waste your time on tree twists and snaps...I've seen enough of those to last me a lifetime. This whole year I will gather evidence. I will post it as I gather it.

I've only been at this for just over three years now and I bet I will have the most evidence posted at the end of 2004. I can hear the flames and rebuttals to this post already. I dont care either.....people can make their excuses....I'm not buying it anymore.

Sorry for the wording and such....Im not in the frame of mind to worry about spelling, punctuating and proper English right now.

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Angie's post gave me an idea!
Brian or Moderators .... What about setting up another forum for members to post items that they consider "hard evidence" that they or friends have collected? Perhaps pictures, sounds, etc. It would be great if it could be a blind forum...the posters could be given a number or something if they didn't want to use their names for whatever reasons. The Mods could know who they are and that would keep out EB, etc.
Or perhaps it could be a part of the Resource site?
The reason I suggest this is that obviously the field researchers among the BFF posters might have more information than they are willing to share (at least I hope so) on the open forum. Yet we might all benefit by sharing some results.
Hmmmm.
Jan