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[sharonlee]

I have not posted often on this forum.
I just have one thing to say and that is Doug, (Bulletmaker) is a very disturbed individual.
From the very beginning most of you did not believe his stories and you called him out on it many a time. Now, he has admitted that he is a liar and a cheat. And if any one of you who used to bash him before, now all of a sudden decides to believe him, after his own admission of guilt, then you are not credible either.
I have never believed Doug and I sent him an email once about it and he defended himself and called me some nasty names.
I love being right about people and Doug, thank you for proving me right again!
You are a creepy old twisted perverted person and you seriously need help, if you aren't already on medication that is.
Now I am sure this post will get deleted or I will be reprimanded, but it seems he is able to get away with alot of trash talk on here.
I just want my fair time for rebuttal.

[Dudlow]

I have not posted often on this forum.
I just have one thing to say and that is Doug, (Bulletmaker) ... has admitted that he is a liar and a cheat.

What, pray tell, has he specifically admitted to doing that in your view makes him a liar and a cheat? I am assuming this may have something to do with the MABRC meltdown, but I don't really know for sure. Otherwise, please explain your damning remarks. Thank you.
Dudlow

[sharonlee]

First, the following is a post by Bulletmaker in regards to the Tulsa World newspaper article:

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bullet maker, Chelsea (5/24/2009 4:46:10 AM)
OK, OK, enough is enough. I`m the one whose property this mabrc, has been bigfoot hunting on up here in Chelse. From the git-go, me and some of my friends, have been hoaxing these group of hunters from the day we first meet them, by faking the foot tracks, and hollering in the woods at night, to scare them. (course we hid behind trees, in case they went to shooting in the dark. We had alot of fun with these guys, watching them as they ran to their trucks to hide when we went to screaming and beating on trees. But now the joke has gotten out of hand, and these Idiots, have taken it to far by putting it in the paper. So all you good people of Tuls, this is the true story, THERE ARE NO BIGFOOTS OUT HERE AND NEVER HAVE.

The owner.

John Cartwright emailed Doug to verify that he is the author of this post and Doug did admit that these are his words.

Second, here is Doug's email to John Cartwright regarding his hoaxing antics:
Dear John

Thank you for e-mailing me to get to the truth. I wouldn`t want to disrespect any of the bigfoot hunters and bigfoot forums, EXCEPT the mabrc. Now the mabrc members are a great bunch of guys and gals, but they have a leadership problem,-(DARREN AKA DARKWING)-and his chief stooge/(Randy aka DRIVEROPERATOR)----and maybe (ED SMITH) who the hell knows who are where he`s at.?-- You may call it (the truth comes out).

First off let me say, that I have two other brothers, that are just as mean and ugly as I am. They are big guys, and you wouldn`t want to meet either one in a dark alley. One of my brothers posted on JREF, as tornado. We got a kick out of all you thinking it was me, in essence it was me, cause we are brothers, and he and my other brother are out here alot fishing and hunting. Now over the 28 years, me and my brothers, have witnessed bigfoot several times, as the stories that I have posted on the forums. all of the stories or encounters are true, my brothers are my withness on 1/3 of them. If we wanted bigfoot to be found, any of us (my brothers) could have shot him already. My one brother wanted to ( kill one) but I told them both under no circumstances is one to be harmed. 28 years later and we havent as much as shot at one. Well enough about me and the brothers, on to the mabrc hoax.

Sad to say that (not all) but most of the stories from the mabrc, is us hoaxing them. I know, I know, it wasn`t nice of us, but I have some mean brothers, and they thought it would be fun and wait till night and hoax them. I didnt go along with it all the times that they did it. But it was funny to see Darren make statement like ( I had half a dozen of them come through camp) LOL, THAT WAS MY BROTHERS RUNNING THROUGH HIS CAMP AT 2:00 a.m. in the morning. Then other times we (my brothers), would go down in the fields, at night and hoot and holler and beat on trees. Sure enough, Darren would report wood knocking and screams from the giant hairy beast, with red glowing eyes. LOL. Course now I will admit that there was several times that me and my brothers got the s@## scared out of us, when we run into the real thing (bigfoot), when we were down there hoaxing Darren. The trouble with Darren, is he see`s bigfoot in every shadow, Now his members dont, but darren does. Heck, Darren even reported one night of his tent being picked up, and he was to scared to see bigfoot picking up his tent. True story is it was my brother, and he was afraid Darren would come out shooting , so he lifted the tent and then ran. LOL next day report from Darren, BIGFOOT PICKS UP TENT. Me and the brothers got a kick everytime that happened.

In closing, to answer your question, yes that was me that made the post you asked about, and it is the truth. Are there bigfoots out here? most assurdly. Has all of the mabrc been hoaxed when they come out?--- No.--- they have had some real sightings,--- but at night, it is us most of the times. Do I feel bad about coming forth with the truth---HELL NO----its time that people see that Darren is what he is, that is, he wants to be the alpha male of the bigfoot world, and he will copy and paste from other people`s forums, to inhance his own site. Hell the making of the mabrc, started right here in my living room. I was one of the founding member`s. but as time went by --and with the antics of Ed Smith, I decided it was time for me to distance myself from the mabrc, casue they was loosing credabilty fast. They kicked me off however before I got a chance to say farethewell.

You may post the whole story here if ya wish John---and by the way, this is just the tip of the iceburg, about Darren

P.S., I`m thinking of starting my own bigfoot site, and it won`t be full of bullsh@@. And I wont kick people off, cause they asked questions, also, if people want to fight, I`ll join right in with them lol. MAY not be the best bigfoot site, but it will be truthful, and you all can spill your guts out about each other or other forums, It will be interesting that for Damn sure.

bullet maker


I hope this evidence substantiates my allegations that Doug is a liar and a cheat.

This post has been edited by sharonlee: May 27 2009, 07:10 AM

[Robert]

Hey Sharon, this is Sniper. That really interesting that he would take this so far then just admit it was all hoxes,

THERE ARE NO BIGFOOTS OUT HERE AND NEVER HAVE.

...then turn around and say,

Are there bigfoots out here? most assurdly.

... I mean, you can't believe a word he says. He's either and idiot or insane. Maybe both, he could be an insane idiot.

Then he has the nerve to say this,

P.S., I`m thinking of starting my own bigfoot site, and it won`t be full of bullsh@@.

What else could it be full of?

[Bitter Monk]

What else could it be full of?

Cookies?

[masterbarber]

Cookies?

Hahahaha, Thanks I needed that!

[gghg]

I like cookies!!!

[Incorrigible1]

The theme song to the old Carol Burnett ongoing skit keeps running through my head: As The Stomach Turns.

[Dudlow]

Wow, no matter what you do, you just can't fix stupid.
Dudlow

[peregrine]

I have not posted often on this forum.
I just have one thing to say and that is Doug, (Bulletmaker) is a very disturbed individual.

I also heard Benedictus XVI is Catholic.

From the very beginning most of you did not believe his stories and you called him out on it many a time. Now, he has admitted that he is a liar and a cheat. And if any one of you who used to bash him before, now all of a sudden decides to believe him, after his own admission of guilt, then you are not credible either.

Very odd statement.

Now I am sure this post will get deleted or I will be reprimanded, but it seems he is able to get away with alot of trash talk on here.

I don't see where Bullet has posted anything here recently. Do you have a reference to all this trash talk he's getting away with?

I just want my fair time for rebuttal.

Again, unless it was on another web site, could you provide a link to what he said about you that you are rebutting?

Gracias.

[slabdog]

Ahhhh....by golly..... I just love banjo music......

This post has been edited by slabdog: May 27 2009, 07:07 PM

[JayleeD]

You know what sharonlee, take it somewhere else. Most of the people you quote in your posts have been banned from the BFF for just this type of junk. Why in the world would we allow this crap to be brought here so you people can jab at one another when we didn't allow it the first (of many) times? In other words, who cares? Not too many people that are respected in the bigfoot community ever gave this a second thought anyway. Seems to me that they all need to flop them out on the table and take some measurements, give the winner a trophy then move on to something else. This is ridiculous.

[ThisIsJack]

“We’re not just a bunch of country hicks,” he said.

[cowboyman]

I suppose Sharonlee was hoping to present her argument in the same forum it had been opened up in, I am refering to the comments made in the media section of this forum... guess she should let some of the members here ridicule things without knowing the total picture. I guess her thinking was misplaced

This post has been edited by cowboyman: May 27 2009, 11:03 PM

[Squatchfoot]

I never could understand how anyone could believe the outrageous stories of guys like Bilby and a few others making their rounds on the blogtalk circuit of late.

[JayleeD]

I suppose Sharonlee was hoping to present her argument in the same forum it had been opened up in, I am refering to the comments made in the media section of this forum... guess she should let some of the members here ridicule things without knowing the total picture. I guess her thinking was misplaced

That would be all well and good if the BFF was defending Bilby and believed even half the crap he's claimed. It's not like people from here are flocking to his property to watch the bigfoot show.

[sharonlee]

Oops, I apologize. I mistakenly thought that the BFF was a global posting area, and I put it in General Discussion. My bad.
I have just read this forum before and was under the impression that everything was fair game if it were relative to any bigfoot organization or researcher. I'm sorry!

[NoxieMr]

Looking thru many old posts, I'm not clear on it myself, sharonlee. Appears to boil down to whom one knocks.

[cowboyman]

Looking thru many old posts, I'm not clear on it myself, sharonlee. Appears to boil down to whom one knocks.

That would appear to be the case

[cowboyman]

That would be all well and good if the BFF was defending Bilby and believed even half the crap he's claimed. It's not like people from here are flocking to his property to watch the bigfoot show.

Yes but members of this forum took great delight in bashing one side of the issue and it would appear that the opposite view is being stifled..I only quote you as you seem to have the only objection here...
I too had a hard time accepting most of this guys stuff, but the BFF allowed him opportunity to present here....Is it because Sharonlee has an affiliation with a group youd rather bash?

[Southern Squatch]

Not getting into the middle of anything here cowboyman, but Jaylee is as fair and unbiased as it gets.

[Terry]

Not getting into the middle of anything here cowboyman, but Jaylee is as fair and unbiased as it gets.

Without a doubt! In fact I'd say the same about all of the moderation on this board.

t.

[cowboyman]

If I am wrong I apologize,, just seems wrong to me

[NWSquatcher]

I have not posted often on this forum.
I just have one thing to say and that is Doug, (Bulletmaker) is a very disturbed individual.
From the very beginning most of you did not believe his stories and you called him out on it many a time. Now, he has admitted that he is a liar and a cheat. And if any one of you who used to bash him before, now all of a sudden decides to believe him, after his own admission of guilt, then you are not credible either.
I have never believed Doug and I sent him an email once about it and he defended himself and called me some nasty names.
I love being right about people and Doug, thank you for proving me right again!
You are a creepy old twisted perverted person and you seriously need help, if you aren't already on medication that is.
Now I am sure this post will get deleted or I will be reprimanded, but it seems he is able to get away with alot of trash talk on here.
I just want my fair time for rebuttal.

True, you only come when the mabrc can't find enough defenders who haven't already been banned here for exactly this type of behavior.

It's apparent that you haven't spent a reasonable amount of time reading or getting to know the tone of the BFF or you would have been aware that Bulletmaker isn't exactly deemed credible in the majorities eyes.

I can only say WTF to this:

From the very beginning most of you did not believe his stories and you called him out on it many a time. Now, he has admitted that he is a liar and a cheat. And if any one of you who used to bash him before, now all of a sudden decides to believe him, after his own admission of guilt, then you are not credible either.

And I suppose you are credible enough to make that type of judgement about other people? and you should be willing and able to back up your claims with facts.

Doug has called lots of people nasty names, you don't see them whining about it. So what, sticks and stones and all that

Again WTF:

I love being right about people and Doug, thank you for proving me right again!

That pertains to the BFF how? Doesn't that pertain more to the mabrc and their forum. exactly who proved you right?

I just can't use enough smilies here You couldn't send that in an email to Bulletmaker, isn't that the right thing to do, let him personally know how you feel by telling it to him directly? It's not like you can't get his email from your Global Director.

You are a creepy old twisted perverted person and you seriously need help, if you aren't already on medication that is.

You need your fair time for rebuttal, again WTF, how does your rebuttal or even your feelings being shouted from the rooftops on the BFF apply to what's going on at your own forum and within your own membership? What are you rebutting? You don't seem to rebutt anything in your post: here we go again: I guess ignorance is bliss, considering Bulletmaker was banned and doesn't trash talk here, especially concerning this situation.

Now I am sure this post will get deleted or I will be reprimanded, but it seems he is able to get away with alot of trash talk on here.
I just want my fair time for rebuttal.

As to this, I don't buy it, I think you knowingly without any facts came here to stir up what is being ignored or closed down elsewhere, seems to be consistent with the membership at your forums, look before you leap it's just plain common sense.

Oops, I apologize. I mistakenly thought that the BFF was a global posting area, and I put it in General Discussion. My bad.
I have just read this forum before and was under the impression that everything was fair game if it were relative to any bigfoot organization or researcher. I'm sorry!

JayleeD said it best and from a position of authority, she's seen people like you come and go and she is always fair and does so in the best interest of the BFF.

You know what sharonlee, take it somewhere else. Most of the people you quote in your posts have been banned from the BFF for just this type of junk. Why in the world would we allow this crap to be brought here so you people can jab at one another when we didn't allow it the first (of many) times? In other words, who cares? Not too many people that are respected in the bigfoot community ever gave this a second thought anyway. Seems to me that they all need to flop them out on the table and take some measurements, give the winner a trophy then move on to something else. This is ridiculous.

[LondonPaul]

Not getting into the middle of anything here cowboyman, but Jaylee is as fair and unbiased as it gets.

...she's got a cool accent too!

[Mulder]

Without a doubt! In fact I'd say the same about all of the moderation on this board.

t.

Unless you're taking on one of the board "skeptics"...personal experience talking here...

[Southern Squatch]

...she's got a cool accent too!

Being from pretty close to the same part of the country that they're from, I don't notice an accent from either Jaylee or Teresa. It's all those other folks who have an accent!

[wickie]

Being from pretty close to the same part of the country that they're from, I don't notice an accent from either Jaylee or Teresa. It's all those other folks who have an accent!

Well being from Cali, that accent is HOT!

but Jaylee is as fair and unbiased as it gets.

Got that right

[Choctaw]

Not getting into the middle of anything here cowboyman, but Jaylee is as fair and unbiased as it gets.

Pucker up a little tighter when you say that

This will probably get me kicked off here, but I just have to say it anyway. Jaylee has a chip on her shoulder bigger than her little red-neck head, and her claws were showing toward a frequent poster on the MABR site. If you don't like the truth well then ..........

Choctaw

[gigantor]

These attack threads get old real quick. I suppose they must happen in order to expose the frauds, but I don't like it.

I think most members can smell a liar eventually from their escalating claims over time. The first lie is almost always the most plausible, if they get away with that, the liar gets some satisfaction.

Then he'll seek more recognition and lie again. Only this time, the lie has to be greater, he must outdo his previous lie. Eventually, it gets to the point that the next lie is too implausible even for the most hardcore believer to swallow and the crash comes fast and furious.

An attack thread is usually not necessary IMO, as most members recognize the lie long before the crash happens.

p.s. I'm not taking sides on this thread, just commenting on the general process which I have observed over time on these forums.

[StacyInMI]

And in the end, wtf difference does it make??

[Teresa]

Pucker up a little tighter when you say that

This will probably get me kicked off here, but I just have to say it anyway. Jaylee has a chip on her shoulder bigger than her little red-neck head, and her claws were showing toward a frequent poster on the MABR site. If you don't like the truth well then ..........

Choctaw

Bye bye

[wickie]

Wow, didn't see that coming