Jane Goodall believed in Bigfoot? Options

[oregonfooter]

http://www.examiner.com/x-4112-National-Sk...eved-in-Bigfoot

Jane Goodall believed in Bigfoot?

This is something we didn't expect to find. According to The Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization, biologist Jane Goodall is among the "believers" in Sasquatch. They even have a transcript of an NPR interview from "Science Friday", and we found the YouTube above.

What we also did not know was that Goodall had "no formal scientific training" when she went to study chimpanzees in Gombe at the age of 26.

Still, striking that someone so noted for her research in primates actually believes there is something to the sightings of sasquatch.

The YouTube segment they refer to.

This post has been edited by tugboatwa: Feb 20 2009, 03:49 PM

Reason for edit: to addd the headline...

[CuriousJ]

Just yesterday I was listening to the Scott Herriott BIPcast interview and he said he believes that it could be a determined female who finally "cracks the case" on sasquatch, similar to Dr. Goodall's research with the apes. Very interesting stuff. If you think of all she went through with her research, and everything she accomplished, I would guess she'd be very open-minded to the possibility of a North American Great Ape. Fascinating.

Edited because my original wording made it sound like I was listening to the Bipcast "with" Scott Herriott, and as much as I would enjoy that he was not actually here in my living room while I listened to it!

This post has been edited by CuriousJ: Feb 20 2009, 02:44 PM

[billgreen2005big...]

this is a very informative article indeed. thanks bill

[peregrine]

This article also references Goodall's opinion on the likelihood of the existence of a large undocumented primate in North America.

People from very different backgrounds and different parts of the world have described very similar creatures behaving in similar ways and uttering some strikingly similar sounds,” she said. “As far as I am concerned, the existence of hominids of this sort is a very real probability.

[Texas Bigfoot]

It might very well be a female. There are accounts of BF's showing interest in women and children, probably because they aren't perceived as a threat. Or perhaps they are just chivalrous as a species.

[colstonewall1]

http://www.examiner.com/x-4112-National-Sk...eved-in-Bigfoot

The YouTube segment they refer to.

Forgive me if I'm missing or forgetting something here, but I thought it was common knowledge that Goodall was a believer. Or at least very optimistic at their existence today. Am I wrong?? (wouldn't be the 1st time, LOL)

[Paul1968UK]

It might very well be a female. There are accounts of BF's showing interest in women and children, probably because they aren't perceived as a threat. Or perhaps they are just chivalrous as a species.

Bigfoot obviously hasn't met my wife!

[RayG]

This article...

Also includes a cast showing the skeletal overlay of the foot bones, which no one has ever actually seen. Not sure whether to classify that as wishful-thinking or pseudoscience.


RayG

[StacyInMI]

Forgive me if I'm missing or forgetting something here, but I thought it was common knowledge that Goodall was a believer. Or at least very optimistic at their existence today. Am I wrong?? (wouldn't be the 1st time, LOL)

Nope! The first statement I'm aware of that she made about it was on Legend Meets Science.

[RayG]

Was that before or after her interview on National Public Radio's (NPR) Talk of the Nation: Science Friday?

RayG

[StacyInMI]

I think that interview (the one you linked to) must have come first... LMS didn't come out until another year or two later. Unless it's the same thing? Did they use that interview in LMS? (Just curious, I'm not going to watch it to find out )

[Drew]

Here is what The Jane Goodall Institute had to say about the Bigfoot reference on her Wiki page.

Bigfoot
I wanted to let all people involved in this issue know that The Jane Goodall Institute has decided to remove the content relating to Bigfoot from the bio entry. We have considered the points put forward by all involved and feel very strongly that this information is being added inappropriately, and is being placed here to further other peoples agenda, not to represent Jane Goodall’s work. Jane has not done any research on Bigfoot, it simply does not fit into her appropriate legacy. Please note that Jane Travels 320 days a year giving lectures and interviews on a variety of topics – to center in on a single interview in this space is inappropriate. We suggest instead that the content posted here be moved to the more appropriate location – under Bigfoot.

We will continue to remove this section from this point forward – and it should be noted that we do represent Jane Goodall in this matter and would point to the Biographies of living persons section of wikipedia guidelines when it comes to the future of this posting string.

Thank you, The Jane Goodall Institute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jane_Goodall#Bigfoot

and her biography makes no mention of her belief in Bigfoot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Goodall



This post has been edited by Drew: Feb 25 2009, 09:26 AM

[StacyInMI]

Frankly, I trust the words coming straight out of her own mouth than some biography.

[counselor]

Or, possibly, a very effeminate man could crack the case - so if Paul's wife can't do it, maybe Paul can.

[oregonfooter]

Forgive me if I'm missing or forgetting something here, but I thought it was common knowledge that Goodall was a believer. Or at least very optimistic at their existence today. Am I wrong?? (wouldn't be the 1st time, LOL)

Yes, I believe it to be common knowledge, but that didn't stop me.

Frankly, I trust the words coming straight out of her own mouth than some biography.

... and that being the major reason I posted this.

[Paul1968UK]

This is what her wiki bio said before the Jane Goodall Institute removed it...

To the surprise of many, Dr. Goodall expressed her opinion during an interview[1] on National Public Radio that it is indeed likely that large undiscovered primates, i.e. Bigfoot, exist in North America.

A link to NPR was provided http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1150685

And a link to BFRO http://www.bfro.net/news/GoodallTranscript.asp

[Drew]

Evidently to the surprise of the Jane Goodall Institute!

[colstonewall1]

Yes, I believe it to be common knowledge, but that didn't stop me.
... and that being the major reason I posted this.

I see . . .thanks for the clarification

[Paul1968UK]

Evidently to the surprise of the Jane Goodall Institute!

Following the way she suddenly withdrew from the Willow Creek Symposium in 2003 with a crappy excuse, I think her 'people' have been trying to distance her from the subject of 'bigfoot' for some years, and are probably somewhat exasperated whenever she mentions it.

Lets be honest here, the people at the Jane Goodall Institute are protecting their brand, which is why I find the comment about the insertion of a refence to 'bigfoot' being due to people pushing an agenda so objectional, when they are pushing their own agenda to distance their brand from bigfoot.

[peregrine]

... they are pushing their own agenda to distance their brand from bigfoot.

Yes. She is managed.

[RayG]

Good thing too, lest her name becomes associated with some of the truly outlandish bigfoot beliefs and claims -- bigfoot is a para-physical, dimension-hopping, trans-channeling, psychic, shape-shifting, UFO pilot, fer instance.

RayG

[Drew]

Good thing too, lest her name becomes associated with some of the truly outlandish bigfoot beliefs and claims -- bigfoot is a para-physical, dimension-hopping, trans-channeling, psychic, shape-shifting, UFO pilot, fer instance.

RayG

Right, and now anyone associated with the Jane Goodall Institute probably gets hit with a Bigfoot question every time they do a lecture, simply because the questioner heard Jane say she was sure there are bigfoots.

[RayG]

The headline could just as easily read:

Jane Goodall, Bigfoot Romantic

Based on her own words too.

Dr. Goodall: "Well, I'm a romantic, so I always wanted them to exist." (Chuckles.)

Dr. Goodall: "...Of course, the big, the big criticism of all this is, "Where is the body?" You know, why isn't there a body? I can't answer that, and maybe they don't exist, but I want them to."

RayG

[Mulder]

Congratulations Ray, you have just slandered (or would it be libeled) a scientist of major repute.

Tell me again why you bother to post here?

[RayG]

Congratulations Ray, you have just slandered (or would it be libeled) a scientist of major repute.

Sheesh, it tweren't rocket science, but since you obviously didn't keep up with the flow of the thread, I'll give ya the Reader's Digest condensed version.

It started off with a headline 'Jane Goodall Believed in Bigfoot?'

Newspapers, bloggers, and their ilk, put out headlines based upon what people say everyday. Eventually someone mentioned The Jane Goodall Institute, and how they have removed the bigfoot portion of her wiki page, then someone else said they trusted the words coming right out of Goodall's own mouth, which led to the idea that her 'people' are probably trying to put some distance between Goodall and the topic of bigfoot, which might not be a bad idea considering some of the ridiculous claims associated with bigfoot, which then led me to use her own words to create yet another headline that media-types could have used that probably would have pissed-off her people at the Jane Goodall Institute.

They might even have whined about it like you just did, but without the silly slander/libel hand-wringing.

No slander or libel intended, required, or used, so your misguided judicial theatrics have only impressed the uninformed.

Tell me again why you bother to post here?

Who are you, my mother?

RayG

[Paul1968UK]

Congratulations Ray, you have just slandered (or would it be libeled) a scientist of major repute.

Tell me again why you bother to post here?

RayG has pretty much quoted Goodall verbatim - where is the libel in that?




(note, the quote is from the interviews on the Willow Creek Symposium DVDs)

[Mulder]

RayG has pretty much quoted Goodall verbatim - where is the libel in that?
(note, the quote is from the interviews on the Willow Creek Symposium DVDs)

Because as Ray and his Lab Coat Boys apply the term "romantic" it has a perjorative connotation (ie, someone not exercising reason and logic)., reserved for the likes of Mary Green/Janice Coy, et al. Ray's claim that "these are her own words" falls flat given the relative certaintly that she would not be familiar with the specialized meaning of that word in the BF community.

One major skoftic talking point has always been that no SERIOUS scientist even entertains the possiblity that Bigfoot exists as a living creature. Well, Goodall DOES (or did...did she die recently?) and you don't get much more serious in terms of primatology than her.

It is unfortunate that her handlers have been allowed to basically erase her statements from the public record in the manner that they have.

[bipedalist]

Following the way she suddenly withdrew from the Willow Creek Symposium in 2003 with a crappy excuse, I think her 'people' have been trying to distance her from the subject of 'bigfoot' for some years, and are probably somewhat exasperated whenever she mentions it.

Lets be honest here, the people at the Jane Goodall Institute are protecting their brand, which is why I find the comment about the insertion of a refence to 'bigfoot' being due to people pushing an agenda so objectional, when they are pushing their own agenda to distance their brand from bigfoot.

I have got to agree with this line of analysis. She, and they (The Institute) are a money-making machine, and will continue to be when she is long
gone. It is probably in that latter eventuality that they hope to start the disconnect early and often. She will not be around forever, but the Institute will
survive her and have a public image to depend on to secure their future existence. Are they doing the right thing? I am not very confident that they are,
but of course I'm a researcher romantic too.

[Drew]

Congratulations Ray, you have just slandered (or would it be libeled) a scientist of major repute.

Tell me again why you bother to post here?

Paul you can't have people going around making accusations like this without any solid evidence.

As you know, RayG quoted Jane Goodall's own words, and emotional accusations like this must fall under some Ignorant-Vigilante-Moderation Clause in the by-laws.

[RayG]

Because as Ray and his Lab Coat Boys apply the term "romantic" it has a perjorative connotation (ie, someone not exercising reason and logic)., reserved for the likes of Mary Green/Janice Coy, et al. Ray's claim that "these are her own words" falls flat given the relative certaintly that she would not be familiar with the specialized meaning of that word in the BF community. One major skoftic talking point has always been that no SERIOUS scientist even entertains the possiblity that Bigfoot exists as a living creature. Well, Goodall DOES (or did...did she die recently?) and you don't get much more serious in terms of primatology than her.

Nope. Me and my boys didn't invent a new meaning for the word 'romantic', or use it in a way in which it wasn't intended. I do however, find it curious you're using the term skoftic, a term that has specialized meaning in the BF community, resides in no dictionary, yet was created and is used solely as a derogatory remark. Anyone else see the irony?

It is unfortunate that her handlers have been allowed to basically erase her statements from the public record in the manner that they have.

Her people, who DO represent Jane, probably think it's unfortunate that her name has become associated with ridiculous claims and hoaxers, or is used to further other people's agendas.

RayG

[Paul1968UK]

Because as Ray and his Lab Coat Boys apply the term "romantic" it has a perjorative connotation (ie, someone not exercising reason and logic)., reserved for the likes of Mary Green/Janice Coy, et al. Ray's claim that "these are her own words" falls flat given the relative certaintly that she would not be familiar with the specialized meaning of that word in the BF community.

Mulder, RayG did not apply the word 'romantic' - Goodall called herself a 'romantic' - it doesn't have any special meaning for her that it doesn't have for a 'bigfoot romantic'. Since this has already been pointed out to you by me, I can only presume that you have some form of agenda against Ray. I do not like your tone and suggest you do something about it while you still can.