Testing Testing Options

[Bitter Monk]

Something's Afoot...

Thought some here might like to follow what I'm working on. At this point I'm still in the construction phase but will be moving on shortly to the casting phase. For anyone looking to learn about casting, copying casts, or similar issues it might be worth taking a look.

[vilnoori]

Ummm.... I'm sorry to have to tell you this, but, well, it really looks fake. I mean, it's great that you are taking the time to investigate how to go about doing this, but dear me, it does look fake.

Look, here's a real track, at least I think it's real, I saw the track but not the thing that made it. Notice the toes, how they are round, scrunched up, how the ball of the foot makes a deeper impression than the rest, how all the toes scrunch together, and the big toe is really big and oval, and stuff?

[Teresa]

what toes? lol

[Bitter Monk]

Teresa beat me to it.

As for the foot the purpose is to test various casting methods and take a look at how different things can effect the process.

[3footthick]

Interesting - I think the best threads always come from people sharing what they are doing.
I was wondering, why the clay foot. why not just straight from a Hydrocal or plaster foot cast - seal it with silicone mold release or even Johnson paste wax can be used and still retain very fine details - then latex rubber directly over that, something like Kreemtex?

This post has been edited by 3footthick: Jan 2 2009, 11:49 AM

[Bitter Monk]

The point was to produce a cast that would have as limited an amount of surface detail as possible. Hence the clay model to create the cast.

[3footthick]

gotcha, thanks

This post has been edited by 3footthick: Jan 2 2009, 01:00 PM

[Bitter Monk]

TF1 is complete. Time to move on to the fun stuff.

[Bitter Monk]

Sorry for the long delay but the test foot has finally seen action.

Casting artifacts ahoy.



This post has been edited by Bitter Monk: Feb 12 2009, 03:46 PM

[MooseMan]

Sorry for the long delay but the test foot has finally seen action.

Casting artifacts ahoy.

There's been enough people reproducing these casting artifacts (Tube was the first I think) I'd call this one done. So much for 'dermals'.

[Hairy Man]

Can't wait to see the rest of your experiments!

[Bitter Monk]

There's been enough people reproducing these casting artifacts (Tube was the first I think) I'd call this one done. So much for 'dermals'.

Well that's how science works. Rinse and repeat as needed.

[Teresa]

Nice work!

[MooseMan]

Well that's how science works. Rinse and repeat as needed.

I meant good on ya for the work.

[Bitter Monk]

I know. I just wanted an excuse to get in my random shampoo bottle quote of the day.

[RedRatSnake]

Well that's how science works. Rinse and repeat as needed.

Hi

Another Great Quote from Sam the Man

Peace
Tim

[peregrine]

So much for 'dermals'.

?? The presence of spurious dermal ridges produced under experimental conditions does not serve to eliminate the possible existence of such evidence. The discussion and examples provided in Krantz's book are a case in point, IMO.

[Bitter Monk]

I think the possibility of real dermal ridges is a real possibility, but we need to seperate out the unreal from the real in order to tell what is really real. I'm just trying to keep it real.

[wolftrax]

?? The presence of spurious dermal ridges produced under experimental conditions does not serve to eliminate the possible existence of such evidence. The discussion and examples provided in Krantz's book are a case in point, IMO.

When the alleged dermals do not match any known ape in regards to size and pattern, but do match that seen in the artifact experiments, then yes it does eliminate the possible existence of such evidence until more solid evidence, like a sasquatch foot, is found, and only then if the pattern and size matches. Just taking an honest look at the evidence and these tests, though, it becomes obvious we are seeing artifacts.

This post has been edited by wolftrax: Feb 13 2009, 12:17 AM

[MooseMan]

I know. I just wanted an excuse to get in my random shampoo bottle quote of the day.

lol

[AlbertaSasquatch]

This may be a stupid question but why do the artifacts show up in the first place? What causes them? And why the hell do they look so much like dermal ridges? I guess that was three questions. Keep up the good work BM!! Very very interesting!

[Bitter Monk]

The artifacts are caused by dessication. Dessication occurs when a casting is poured directly into a print that has been made in soil that contains dessicants. As to why they look so much like dermal ridges I and others would argue the fact that those same "dermal ridges" are in fact misidentified casting artifacts

ETA - You can find much more information on the process and implications here.

This post has been edited by Bitter Monk: Feb 13 2009, 09:32 PM

[Bitter Monk]

Anyone that's ever wondered about using barrier sprays in casting might want to check out the latest update.

[oregonfooter]

Simple hairspray, cool! Thanks BM.

[Bitter Monk]

Like I mentioned in the blog I was originally going to use a fixative designed for preserving graphite and charcoal artwork but settled on the hairspray. At around 3 bucks and change it's a simple and cheap alternative and it's much easier to find.

[Bitter Monk]

The updates roll on....

I'd like to thank those who have provided positive feedback so far. I apologize for the delays in some of the postings but hope the results are worth the wait.

[hopeful]

How do the dermals that Jimmy Chilcutt examined compare to these artifacts?

Great work, BM.

[Bitter Monk]

How do the dermals that Jimmy Chilcutt examined compare to these artifacts?

One of these casts has "dermal ridges". The other has casting artifacts.



Photo credit to Tube

[hopeful]

The one on the right is the one with true dermal ridges?

[Bitter Monk]

Check out this link for the answer.

[oregonfooter]

Pardon me if this question has been asked...

We now know hairspray will prevent casting artifacts, but has it been used as the barrier spray to capture any type of dermal ridges or fingerprints before? If not, then your E-F section is really not the same as the old bridge, and that's helpful to know. Either way, I appreciate the thoroughness of your documentation.

[Bitter Monk]

We now know hairspray will prevent casting artifacts, but has it been used as the barrier spray to capture any type of dermal ridges or fingerprints before?

In my most recent test I used hair spray as a barrier agent and managed to capture my own fingerprints. Is that what you're asking?

[oregonfooter]

No, in other people's research, has hairspray been used as a barrier spray to capture dermal ridges or fingerprints?

This post has been edited by oregonfooter: Mar 5 2009, 03:10 PM

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