Bigfoot Fingerprint Options

[911Guy]

What do you guys think of this story?

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bf-fingerprint/

Anyone have any knowledge of this and of the family reporting it?

[longtabber PE]

From the article

>>> A local policeman was called. He collected the fingerprints and palm prints, a full set, but refused to date and sign the card because he “knew what we had” and would not allow his name to get involved with these events.

>>>leaving fingerprints and nose prints on the passenger window.

That pretty much tanks it for me. ( did they collect the nose print for possible DNA too?)

>>> Reportedly, the Sasquatch cannot affect the video or computer recording operations, but certainly they seem to know when the system works and when it quits.

That pretty much puts a bow on it

[Teresa]

The food in the chair disappears when the cat is let out... DUH

[RiverRun]

Them north carolina squatches are good at computer technical support also. "which key is the any key"

[Dudlow]

Interesting story, 911guy. I have no problem with it since it is not the first time squatch finger prints have been taken and collected. A few finger and knuckle casts have also been made over the years. About a year ago someone on one of the other BF sites was collecting BF finger prints from a peanutbutter jar that he would hang at the back of his property. Every now and then he would collect and change the jars and photograph the prints. I never heard what became of that afterwards. I think because there is no established BF fingerprint standard, similar to the BF hair sample problem, we will just have to keep accumulating evidence until something conclusive derives down the road.

I can understand the cop not wanting to attach his name to the case, either, given the heat LEOs have recently received due to the Georgia frozen BF hoax and all the other historical ridicule they have received over the years. Better to just keep taking the paycheque, go home and feed the family. We 'regular' folks have enough trouble dealing with BF-ridicule, so just imagine the razzing professionals must endure on a daily basis from their peers if they are imprudent enough to get involved with such an incident. They would never hear the end of it.
Dudlow

[longtabber PE]

we will just have to keep accumulating evidence until something conclusive derives down the road.

I can understand the cop not wanting to attach his name to the case, either, given the heat LEOs have recently received due to the Georgia frozen BF hoax and all the other historical ridicule they have received over the years. Dudlow

The article doesnt really clarify it but it makes it appear that the officer was called out in an official capacity.

Even if not- theres no reason for an officer ( even on personal time) to not put his name on it because the line officer is not making an "identification" but simply collecting evidence. So if it was an "official" call out and he took evidence but didnt sign his name- he needs to be fired.

Also- just given the "size" this full hand should be. ( it does say full set with palms)- that would be more than enough tor a legitimate follow up

[bipedalist]

Coleman says he will send the full 4 mb image to any investigator properly licensed, how 'bout getting us a copy of that file LT or somebody
in similar position so we can see more detail? lcoleman{@}maine.rr.com Email him but take out the brackets around @

[Dudlow]

The article doesnt really clarify it but it makes it appear that the officer was called out in an official capacity. Even if not- theres no reason for an officer ( even on personal time) to not put his name on it because the line officer is not making an "identification" but simply collecting evidence. So if it was an "official" call out and he took evidence but didnt sign his name- he needs to be fired. Also- just given the "size" this full hand should be. ( it does say full set with palms)- that would be more than enough tor a legitimate follow up

Unfortunately, longtabber PE, I think there is often a difference between holding to strict protocol and finding ways around it - "Oh, did I smear that print? Dang it all. Um... oh here's another... geez I can't believe I slipped again... Oh, well, that's scotched it. Tell you what, if you get any more evidence, give me a call. Always happy to be of service."

I remember back around 1971-72 the police department in Bellingham, Washington began broadcasting pre-recorded BF calls from their mobile PA systems as they drove their cruisers through the city streets at night. Because there had been a lot of really alarmed citizens due to no small number of monster sightings right up close in their backyards, I think the police department's approach was to trivialize and so defuse the public's concerns. So the TV and radio news crews started following these wailing police units around the neighborhoods and turned the whole thing into a fun, ridicule-based, whacko circus story that everyone could laugh at. And the tactic did seem to belay most of the concerns. I was living in Vancouver, B.C. at the time and took delight in turning on the 6 o'clock news to catch the latest BF news from both Blaine and Bellingham. It lasted all summer and probably in the end was really good for their tourism budget. But, truthfully, I have to admit that was back in the day when almost nobody took BF or sasquatch stories as anything other than pure fancy.
Dudlow

This post has been edited by Dudlow: Nov 23 2008, 08:27 AM

[longtabber PE]

Coleman says he will send the full 4 mb image to any investigator properly licensed, how 'bout getting us a copy of that file LT or somebody
in similar position so we can see more detail? lcoleman{@}maine.rr.com Email him but take out the brackets around @

No "qualified" investigator would even make the attempt for a number of reasons

[bipedalist]

Sounds ominous, I think it would be a fun activity to see if any human-like parameters like arches, whorls and such
can be discriminated.

[longtabber PE]

Unfortunately, longtabber PE, I think there is often a difference between holding to strict protocol and finding ways around it - "Oh, did I smear that print? Dang it all. Um... oh here's another... geez I can't believe I slipped again... Oh, well, that's scotched it. Tell you what, if you get any more evidence, give me a call. Always happy to be of service."

Dudlow

Those "strict protocols" are there for a REASON and to find a "way" around them is not only grounds for termination but even prosecution for any officer. ( not to mention that lifting prints from glass is about as easy as it gets)

As far as violating those protocols- Ask Sgt Gottlieb what can result when you violate those "strict protocols" regarding line ups.

[longtabber PE]

Sounds ominous, I think it would be a fun activity to see if any human-like parameters like arches, whorls and such
can be discriminated.

Not ominous but for accuracy,tracibility,accountability and verification.

1) they wouldnt touch a picture for analysis without the card to back it up ( the card is the physical evidence and baseline sample- any scan of it is hearsay without the physical card)

2) you have to know the circumstance of the scan, COC and have the scanner/original file available to verify exif data

3) you then have to know who/how it was scanned ( they need to be done almost perfectly from TDC)

without all that being available- it wouldnt be considered valid

[rockinkt]

Coleman's offer shows his absolute ignorance of anything to do with real investigations.

Only an attention grabbing fool with no personal ethics would accept Coleman's offer. I would then question that person's obvious lack of knowledge about how evidence is gathered and used to establish facts - not wild guesses.

LT pretty much summed up how useless any such "investigation" would be.

I would only add this:
The most important bit (IMHO) would be the actual establishment of the continuity of the evidence from the time it was discovered and then lifted.
Any real investigator would also want total confirmation of the validity of the scene - with photos, signed reports, and officer credentials - BEFORE they even started to look at the continuity of the actual card (the actual evidence) and any subsequest copies/scans.

Not only that, proper interviews of the witnesses would also have to be carried out by somebody who knew what they were doing to establish that what was produced at the scene was actually found at the scene and NOT manufactured or altered in any way.

Furthermore - the question that would be asked by any truly qualified person would be - "What other physical evidence was found?"
After all, if it left such obvious prints, it must have left some other evidence of its passing - unless it was yogic flying and wearing a hair net.

edited fo spilleng

This post has been edited by rockinkt: Nov 23 2008, 10:10 PM

[Carolina_Dog]

What do you guys think of this story?

http://www.cryptomundo.com/cryptozoo-news/bf-fingerprint/

Anyone have any knowledge of this and of the family reporting it?

Do the Georgia Boyz have any relatives in the Carolinas?

Total scam.