BFRO REPORT: Campers report harassment on the Mogollon Rim near Knoll Options

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Class B; July 2008; Arizona, Coconino County

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[billgreen2005big...]

this is a very interesting new arizona sasquatch experience. good afternoon bill

[Ilikebluepez]

Dang. I must be a giant scaredy baby cat. Cause I would have seen the thrown branch as a very obvious sign of aggression. And got the heck outta there!

[ARZ1ST]

Hello,

I was the one to make this report. . . .bluepez, I've actually had other people say the same thing. I guess the best way to describe it is, although the branch throwing incident scared the life out of me, at the time I wasn't thinking "bigfoot" or anything close to that (that only crossed my mind later after it was was smelling inside the van window and the kitchen raid). I really didn't know what to think at the time. Thinking back, I was sure it had been thrown. Hubby was asleep at the time and his very first thought was somebody threw something at us, but then insisted it had to have fallen from a tree. After really looking around and talking about angles and where the van was parked, we knew that wasn't possible. Also, the way it hit the mirror dead on like that, pushing it into the van with such force, and the fact that I glanced up in time to see it coming at me for just a second, pretty much rules that out. We spend a lot of time out in the woods, in that area in particular, and almost feel like it's a "second home". Although we really didn't know what to make of what was going on, we're not easily spooked (maybe to our detriment some day, lol).

All I can say is for a "layman" this has really left an impression on both me and my husband. I had never been to a bigfoot forum or website in my life until after this incident, now I'm a little bit addicted, lol. In fact, I never knew there had been bigfoot sightings in my state at all until doing some research after this incident.

K

[RedRatSnake]

Hi

Thank you very much for talking about your report, Is there anything else you can add ,Things you might have remembered since it happened, Was it a normal day up till then ?

Peace
Tim

This post has been edited by RedRatSnake: Sep 15 2008, 06:28 PM

[Ilikebluepez]

Hello,

I was the one to make this report. . . .bluepez, I've actually had other people say the same thing. I guess the best way to describe it is, although the branch throwing incident scared the life out of me, at the time I wasn't thinking "bigfoot" or anything close to that (that only crossed my mind later after it was was smelling inside the van window and the kitchen raid). I really didn't know what to think at the time. Thinking back, I was sure it had been thrown. Hubby was asleep at the time and his very first thought was somebody threw something at us, but then insisted it had to have fallen from a tree. After really looking around and talking about angles and where the van was parked, we knew that wasn't possible. Also, the way it hit the mirror dead on like that, pushing it into the van with such force, and the fact that I glanced up in time to see it coming at me for just a second, pretty much rules that out. We spend a lot of time out in the woods, in that area in particular, and almost feel like it's a "second home". Although we really didn't know what to make of what was going on, we're not easily spooked (maybe to our detriment some day, lol).

All I can say is for a "layman" this has really left an impression on both me and my husband. I had never been to a bigfoot forum or website in my life until after this incident, now I'm a little bit addicted, lol. In fact, I never knew there had been bigfoot sightings in my state at all until doing some research after this incident.

K

I had a childhood interest in Bigfoot (Legend of Boggy Creek! ) but never really thought about it much being here at all until Mt. Hood. No thrown branches or anything like that, just being watched at our campsite for hours one night. I wasn't really even sure what it was, just Not Okay. We tent camp all over Oregon and have for years and this was the first time something was really really not quite right. I can understand the "not knowing" what to think and just getting on with your camping trip. I've done that. It's only after reading this forum for a while that I made the statement I did. I just joined this forum last month after reading it for quite some time and have to admit I am also a little bit addicted. I only joined after I found a picture I just can't explain from last summer. It's been kind of funny to me how my boyfriend has admitted "that was kind of weird", only after the fact. I just wanted to thank you for sharing your experience.

Edit for spelingz and grammerz.

This post has been edited by Ilikebluepez: Sep 15 2008, 09:48 PM

[Zonie]

ARZ1ST,

First, welcome to BFF

Saw your encounter write-up over at Bigfootwest... this is in the general area of where I have been poking around for the past couple of years. Looking forward to anything else you can relate on your encounter and any future camping you do in that general area.

Alan

[Titus]

I gotta say that I asked ARZ1ST some pretty pointed questions regarding this incident, and I'm pretty satisfied that something very out of the ordinary happened to her and her husband out there. Squatch? Who knows? But very out of the ordinary.

First I've ever heard of a branch being used as a projectile like that.

The best thing about this incident is what happened after it.. After she gave the BFRO the GPS coordinates and the location they chose for their last AZ "expedition.."

edited to add: Hi K.. Welcome to BFF

This post has been edited by Titus: Sep 16 2008, 10:18 AM

[ARZ1ST]

Hi All,

The only other thing I can think of that is not mentioned in the report is that I did hear approximately three trees fall over that weekend all around the camp, one not too long after the smelling incident during the middle of the night (no wind). I thought it was odd, but never really related the two until later. After all my years outdoors I've only heard one tree fall in the woods that I can think of, and that was during a pretty heavy duty monsoon storm.

I've thought about it a lot, and all I know is that whatever was lurking about our camp was extremely strong. I'd have to rule out humans on the branch-throwing incident, it was too heavy for anyone to throw that distance and do the damage it did (hubby gave it a toss just for fun).

Also, during the middle of the night smelling incident, I thought it was very odd that while I was laying there with my heart pounding, listening very intently, I never heard whatever it was walk away. Although it was overcast and pitch black that night, I could swear I sensed some kind of movement in the dark, though. I'd say about 15 minutes to a half hour after that I heard a tree fall very close to camp. I'd say the kitchen was raided before the smelling in the van because I would have heard that for sure. I pretty much didn't get much sleep the rest of the night, too much adrenaline pumping, lol.

K
(Hi Titus )

[Mike U.]

This whole BF enigma gets better by the week.
Certainly, it's been brought up before, but, we have to ask again, do they enough intelligence to make and accurately throw a spear?
After reading about this damage caused to the vehicle by the impromptu "spear" trowing, it sure is creepy thinking about what something like that would do to a human if he/she was targeted.

If they truly exist, are they capable tool/weapon makers and users?

[Titus]

I asked ARZ1ST a number of questions regarding the branch. She stated that, from what she saw of it (immediately prior to impacting the wing mirror), it appeared to have a very flat trajectory.

To me, this suggests an underhand throw, rather than an over-the-head spear throw. If a squatch was to have thrown it over it's head, spear-fashion, I would think that it would have had a definite down-angle trajectory given the height of these things, plus an over-the-head release point.

I've seen numerous videos of primates using underhand throws, not so much in an offensive manner, but in a "get away from me" defensive type of thing.

If so, the hit on the mirror may have simply been a lucky shot and probably has the same basic intimidation-intended meaning as a rock throwing incident. I don't think there's any indication that the squatch (if in fact it was a squatch) manufactured a "spear."

Still, who knows? Whichever, it still hit with considerable force. I sure wouldn't want to take a hit from a branch like that...

I also don't think there are very many reports of a squatch observed using any sort of tool, aside from the few reports that pop up from time to time of them having been seen toting "clubs" .

[lily]

Scary stuff; it's frightening to think about ANYTHING, giant hominid or whatever, acting so aggressively. Tenting has always been one of my favorite activities... maybe not so much anymore...

[Ilikebluepez]

Hey lily. I've had the same thoughts about tenting that you're having. But I realized that if this thing is mad mad mad it's going to get in. A little aluminum siding on a camper isn't going to bother this bad boy one bit.

Other than that, from the reports I've read it seems to respect the "barrier" of our shelters whether they are tent or trailer. Well...from some of the reports I've read it does like a little "peekies" now and then.

...Shudder....

but that is why you zip the dang door up and use the rain fly!

[Mike U.]

That's a very good point, Ilikebluepez.
I've read what seems like a thousand or more reports and I can only recall a few where a human's barrier be it house, tent or car, was breeched by an unhappy BF.

Lots of reports of them playing the role Peeping Tom though.
And how creepy is that?!

[Ilikebluepez]

Mike, that is very very creepy. The only real thing that scares me breathless about this whole phenomena, I don't want to wake up to it looking at me....shudder....Seeing it while I'm awake is a different story. Maybe.

We were camping on Mary's Peak last month and I woke up in the middle of the night and realized (Bright shiny full moon!) that the tent door was open, with just the screen zipped.

That will never never do.....I climbed over and woke the boyfriend up to zippy zip that!



He thinks I'm weird.

[Teresa]

ARZ1ST, are yall going back again to the area? Welcome to the forum, and if you're going back, please keep us posted. Inquiring minds... you know we gotta know.

[Mike U.]

I hear ya!
Bad enough that there are sicko humans gettin' their jollies doing that. Throw in an 8-10' tall apeman with reflective red eyes looking in my window or open tent flap and I can see myself having another heart attack while filling me undies with icky-poo.

I remember one story on here where someone was sitting at their computer one night, looked up at the window behind their 'puter and there was old BF looking in at them. Talk about the stuff of nightmares!

[ARZ1ST]

Teresa, we've actually been back up to the area several times since, although not to the same exact camping spot. Just last weekend we camped probably less than a quarter of a mile from there. Nothing really new since, except last weekend we had a possible "knocking" incident. (I had no idea there was such a thing until after this happened and started reading some of the forums.) It was early, early morning, sun just barely coming up, and we heard a knocking sound from one direction and then an answering knock from another. It went on for about 10 - 15 minutes. Sometimes just a single knocking sound, sometimes two, but the first knock would always get an answering knock. Could have been some kind of bird, I suppose, but it seemed kinda deliberate to me. (Of course, I could just be paranoid now, lol).

It's weird, the night of the "smelling" I laid there absolutely frozen. I did NOT want to see what was outside of our van, and did NOT want whatever it was to know I was awake. It was like it was instinctual or something.

Oh, and thanks for the welcomes everybody!

K

[Ilikebluepez]

I have thought about this for a while now and really think that I have a lot more research to do. I think part of the fear that I have of having this creature see me is "anthropomorphizing". Just a theory.

I completely understand what you are saying ARZ1ST when you did not want it to know you were awake and did not want to see it. I felt that way at Mill Creek when I was laying in the hammock. I felt fear fear fear out of nowhere and wanted to act as natural as possible. (I didn't want it to know I knew it was there.) I never saw anything. A flash of movement is nothing you can prove, so why do I mention it. I don't know.

I was trying to shake it off as my own, as never seen before in my whole life, and so far never seen again anxiety attack. That's a disclaimer, cause extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof and I have none. It was just primal "trigger the reptile brain" fear. I have been in situations where my life was in immanent danger and have felt less fear.

I was actively trying not to show how afraid I was, and interacting with Doug (who didn't seem affected, and only later admitted he had "caught" my fear...just a little bit. That's a man who will face a pack of raccoons armed only with a coleman lantern. Good guy to have around. ) in a forced, natural manner.

I guess I am just at a loss here. It happened. I can't prove it. Case closed. Though I am glad that I didn't really see anything, cause I just don't know if I could give up those woods. They are the best part of my life and I love them dearly.

[georgerm]

The shooting in this report was probably aimed at BF which explains the howling.

[willie red fire]

It seems the perpetrator may also visit the North Rim Grand Canyon as 2 similar incidents involving aggressive styles have been reported by others here in the last year.

[Bobby Orangeboom]

It seems the perpetrator may also visit the North Rim Grand Canyon as 2 similar incidents involving aggressive styles have been reported by others here in the last year.

Either that Willie or the BF's you have in AZ just have plain old bad attitudes as this isn't the first time i've heard about aggression in AZ..

[Ilikebluepez]

Do you think they may be more aggressive because it's harder to make a living in that kind of terrain? Kinda like hunger makes you more aggressive and crabby kinda thing?

You can see a correlation to that in the lifestyles of the "other" primate species that lived in these areas. Native Americans living on the plains were quite a bit more aggressive than those living here in the NW. I mean the major form of aggression among the coastal indian tribes was the Potlatch. Basically a giant party you hosted with gifts, food, entertainment. The whole point was that Your party was waaaay more cool than that last party those losers over there threw last year.

He who gives the best gifts, wins.

Kind of a whole different mindset made possible by "lots of stuff to eat".

Just my 2 1/2 cents

Edit for gooder talks.

This post has been edited by Ilikebluepez: Oct 3 2008, 06:14 PM

[Touchmymonkey]

Interesting case. Thanks for sharing it.

A lot of humans in that area? Can't recall if you addressed that or not, sorry.

Glad you keep going back. Always take your camera, or video cam if you can:) And/or audio recorder.

This post has been edited by Touchmymonkey: Oct 3 2008, 07:00 PM

[nightscream]

Hello,

I was the one to make this report. . . .bluepez, I've actually had other people say the same thing. I guess the best way to describe it is, although the branch throwing incident scared the life out of me, at the time I wasn't thinking "bigfoot" or anything close to that (that only crossed my mind later after it was was smelling inside the van window and the kitchen raid). I really didn't know what to think at the time. Thinking back, I was sure it had been thrown. Hubby was asleep at the time and his very first thought was somebody threw something at us, but then insisted it had to have fallen from a tree. After really looking around and talking about angles and where the van was parked, we knew that wasn't possible. Also, the way it hit the mirror dead on like that, pushing it into the van with such force, and the fact that I glanced up in time to see it coming at me for just a second, pretty much rules that out. We spend a lot of time out in the woods, in that area in particular, and almost feel like it's a "second home". Although we really didn't know what to make of what was going on, we're not easily spooked (maybe to our detriment some day, lol).

All I can say is for a "layman" this has really left an impression on both me and my husband. I had never been to a bigfoot forum or website in my life until after this incident, now I'm a little bit addicted, lol. In fact, I never knew there had been bigfoot sightings in my state at all until doing some research after this incident.

K

Welcome to the BFF

[willie red fire]

Thanks ARZ1ST for the Location, I'll be back to get the camera in a few weeks if the snow dosen't close the roads. It would be a long hike from 260. I like this area a lot as the further north you go the rougher the terrain. Roads are fewer and the loggers stopped as they neared the canyons. It would be nice to get a AZ team together for a weekend and aproach this area from the north in the winter and look for tracks. Any one up for a weekend winter outing?

With your permission ARZ1ST I'll post pictures of the surrounding area since AZGW went into hibernation.

[eldonkey]

What do you mean they went into hibernation? Are they defunct now?

[georgerm]

Sounds like a fun weekend trip. Go for it and let's hear a report!

[Titus]

What do you mean they went into hibernation? Are they defunct now?

Unknown.. That particular site's been in "Maintenance Mode" or something for a month or two. Most of the SF/TB crew is posting at another blog site now.

Same old same old.

[willie red fire]

I'm not going to write any long report or anything just attach some pictures so everyone can see what the area is like. I circled the area for a few miles and heard a rumbling of hoofs. Snapped a picture of one of many Cow elk that ran by. A game cam is set up on this game trail. A few thing that stand out as not normal until someone comes up with a viable explanation are the broken bones. After speaking with BigTex here near Austin there may be some connection with something large and these attempts to get at the bone marrow. Check out his thread going on here in the Austin area hills. Next time I fine a set of these I think the proper thing to do is a little more research on how, why, what is going on. If I'm off track please get me back on. I've been find these in a few places mostly hard to get to and off the game trails. Another pictures show a water fall behind the trees with a small cave underneath. The cave pictures were blurred and not attached. Over all I like this area and She has found a nice out of the way camping site. Lots of game trails and plenty of animals signs. The game head further north during the hunting season where the terrain get rugged and the hunters don't like to go from what I hear. How about those tree breaks?

[rockinkt]

The bones are interesting.
Did you pick any up and examine them for chew or bite marks at the breaks? Any chipping or pitting that seems unatural?
Is there cracking evident in the broken bones? If there is - is it longitudinal (along the length) or is it latitudinal (transverse/across)?
Thanks in advance.

[willie red fire]

No, I didn't check for anything of that nature. I definitely will the next time I find broken bones of this size as they will be collected and brought back for a closer examination. I'm heading back out tomorrow to get the gamecam and may try to retrace my GPS track and retrieve the bones.

[rockinkt]

Thanks.
Good Hunting!