MINNESOTA/FRANK HANSEN ICEMAN-BIGFOOT, I WAS "THERE" IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS Options

[Verne Langdon]

Greetings! My name is Verne Langdon (http://www.vernelangdon.com), and from 1963 to 1969 I owned half of Don Post Studios, creators of "Over The Head rubber masks", and pioneer prop builders for Hollywood film and television productions. Some time during 1964 or even later (the year is vague for all the memories, but Werner Keppler was on staff in the lab at Universal Studios and Howard Ball was still alive, should you wish to pinpoint the time), Frank Hansen read about our studios in James Warren's and Forrest J Ackerman's Famous Monsters Of Filmland Magazine, and came to see us about the possibility of creating a "concept" - he showed us a rough sketch - a prehistoric creature he planned to freeze in a block of ice, and exhibit it throughout the United States. Makeup Master John Chambers was working with us on several things at the time, so Don Sr. and I consulted with John about whether or not to take on the project. We unanimously decided against it because we felt it was an elaborate (and somewhat shady) hoax with which we did not wish to become directly involved. Frank Hansen, upon being told this, pressed us for a referral. We suggested he take his idea to Howard Ball, who was the artist responsible for sculpting the extremely lifelike dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures at the world-famous LaBrea Tar Pits in Los Angeles. We further suggested he have Howard cast the figure in hot melt, which we felt would hold up far better than rubber or any other then-known material in the ice. We contacted Howard and put him in touch with Hansen, and Frank Hansen delivered his "hot melt iceman" idea to Mr. Ball. When Howard Ball had completed the sculpture and the casting, Frank brought the creature to us to see. It looked exactly as he had designed, and the flesh-colored hot melt made it look even more realistic. John contacted Werner Keppler at Universal for Frank, and Werner agreed to make up the creature, then ventillate Yak hair into it, one, two, or three hairs at a time, depending upon the area of the body. Meticulous work, of which Werner is a master! After Werner finished with Frank Hansen's "Ice Man", Frank brought it by to show us before he had it frozen (we suggested Union Ice Company in Los Angeles, as I recall.) It would fool the toughest of skeptics, as was proven when no less than Ivan Sanderson fell head-over-heels for it! (Ivan should have known better than to declare it the real McCoy... it was being exhibited on a carnival midway at the time.) Why I am just telling you this now? I'm not. I've relayed this series of events over the years, beginning several years after leaving Post Studios for more lucrative possibilities. There's really lots more to this story, and of course John went on to create a neanderthal man for Jerry ("Little Irvy The Whale") Malone's bigfoot carnival attraction, but no, John had nothing whatsoever to do with that crummy costume thrown together for the Patterson bigfoot. But I was there during all of this, (and you weren't. I know you weren't there, because I didn't see you there!) Don't feel bad. I didn't see Bigfoot there either, at least no REAL Bigfoot, and I sadly doubt I shall ever see him (or her) roaming aimlessly about (although I've spotted a few similarities on the streets of Montecito, Bakersfield, Hollywood, and elsewhere, but they're just plain folk like you and me, who might be a little taller, more ape-like, and with just the right lighting and a bit of imagination could be mistaken for ..... "IT!") What brought all this to mind was those clowns in Palo Alto who froze an ape suit then called a press conference. Now just WHERE do you suppose they got THAT idea?!!! - Verne Langdon

[bipto]

What brought all this to mind was those clowns in Palo Alto who froze an ape suit then called a press conference. Now just WHERE do you suppose they got THAT idea?!!!

That's what I've been saying!

Welcome, Verne. Interesting story you have there. Do you have any idea what became of the Ice Man?

[Verne Langdon]

Hi there! Not sure what became of the figure OR Frank. Last I heard he'd hidden the thing and was "unavailable" at his farmhouse in Minnesota. But that was several years ago. No telling, but if anyone finds him tell him I said "Hi!" and he can always contact me here or at vernelangdon@cox.net. Feel free to do the same!

- VL

[plaidlemur]

This forum gets the coolest posters, I swear it. Good story, do you have access to any good quality pictures of it, could you possibly ask around? It is a fascinating piece of work--no matter if real or fake.

Anyway, welcome to the BFF, we actually have (and have had) some expert creature designers as members of the forum, and someone else with experience in the field is more than welcome!

[Verne Langdon]

Many thanks, plaidlemur! As you can see by my replies, I'm new at the format here, but as I was reading through the pages earlier tonight, and especially with the Palo Alto incident, just felt compelled to give y'all the skinny on what went down in the '60's with Frank, later with Jerry, and set the record straight. I did an article for Cult Magazine ("Yes, Virginia, There IS A Bigfoot") wherein I debunked those cases of which I knew details, but make no mistake I'd love to know a REAL one is "out there"; ditto "Nessi". I doubt it will ever come to pass, but I haven't closed my mind to it, in spite of my carny experiences.

- VL

[G-Off]

Hey. Just me being me, but that "crummy Patterson suit" is about the only thing that has withstood the test of time...

While I don't doubt u about the rest, per se, I have to ask you why you feel the Patterson/Gimlin footage was a "crummy suit".


For me, I have to ask, in 1967 no less, HOW would they forge a suit so convincing that they *cannot* replicate the muscle movements, let alone the fur/hair brought up by Bill Manns (sp?) a few threads over...


This, for me and A LOT of others, remains THE definitive pieces of evidence...(Although, I must admit, I am somewhat skeptical such a creature could still exist today...)


BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What are we to make of the sightings such as the gentleman (phd in something) who went to take a leak, thAn saw biggie looking at his family??? ( THE most CONVINCING sighting in a LONG ASS TIME)

[JustinCredible]

yea theres no way the patterson/gimlin suit was a fake. that footage is the best there is.

[sasmbon]

Extremely interesting post, thank you very much for that Verne. My old man actually saw this "ice man" when he was living in California; I contacted him when the GA hoax was taking shape and that was when he told me about it along with a warning about a hoax when I sent him the photos of the GA costume before it was officially debunked. He was a medical doctor, a surgeon and specialist. He had strong words of caution as he smelled a hoax. Incidentally he is a firm believer in the existence of bigfoot. Small world.

[billgreen2005big...]

hey verne welcome to the bigfootforums wow the minnesota ice man saga always realy interested me even now it does as well. i have a big feeling this new thread is going to have alot opinions so buckle up. thanks again bill

[Verne Langdon]

G-Off, I don't mean to poke any holes in anybody's dream. But you must understand I come from the other end of the spectrum. I've worked with Hollywood's finest; dream makers who created everything you've ever seen and loved up there on the silver screen. From Jack Dawn and a sloo of Master craftspeople's exquisite work on "The Wizard Of Oz" to Bill Tuttle's "Seven Faces Of Doctor Lao" to John Chambers "Planet Of The Apes", on which I labored for all five films plus the TV series. We all strived for perfection. When the Patterson footage came along, or other so-called "Bigfoot" film clips were shown, opinion (incorrect) pegged John Chambers as the man who made that suit. HEREIN LIES THE RUB: compare it to everything else John ever created. By such comparison, it was a "crummy" suit. John would never have cranked out anything like it, ever. Trust me - I knew him personally. He was a partner of mine, a confidant, and a very close Friend. I know my ape costumes. Bob Burns, Rick Baker, and others came to Don Post Studios to learn. We created Bob's "Kogar" gorilla suit (our seamstress Peggy Clinton hand-sewed the hair cloth herself) and Don Post sculpted the Crash Corrigan-like head. We made commercial ape outfits, and we did the finest quality of the day (1963-64-65) before Philip Morris or Monsterdome ever thought of making them. So when I call the Patterson costume "crummy", it's by comparison to very high standards in monkey making. Patterson made his own costume, and a few others out there have done likewise, at least back in the day. You see, Don Post Studios made the very first gorilla outfits for sale to the public. And WHY? Because I always wanted a gorilla outfit. That's the nice thing about owning half a company, whether they make gorilla suits or sports cars. If you want one, you can create it right then and there! So please forgive my lack of appreciation for that which I see to be less-than-the-standard I personally employ when I create something. The two BEST "Bigfoots" (BigFEETs?) I ever saw were Frank Hansen's (created by Howard Ball and Werner Keppler) and Jerry Malone's (created by John Chambers). They both fooled people big-time, and that's why they were created.

- VL

P.S. How does my font look now? I'm still working on it...

This post has been edited by Paul1968UK: Aug 23 2008, 02:38 AM

Reason for edit: better if you just leave it as the standard font and size. - edited to remove font that was literally impossible to read on my iphone this morning

[Verne Langdon]

Justin and Sasmbon - there's a wonderful old adage that applies here: "For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, no explanation will do."

I'm not telling you what I'm telling you to argue the point or dislodge your beliefs.

I come from the world of Illusion - Tate's Curiosity Shop in Arizona (many years defunct now) used to make everything - repeat EVERYTHING - "dead" or "embalmed" that your fathers and grandfathers saw in a carnival or circus side show. If you're under 50 you don't even know what I'm talking about! But THEY do. I'm telling you that the word going around for years is that John Chambers made the "Patterson Bigfoot suit", and all I'm telling you is he did not. If you believe the Patterson Bigfoot is a real creature, then NOBODY made his "suit", unless he dressed up to go to church. If the "Patterson Bigfoot" is a hoax as I happen to believe - it's a "crummy suit" as compared to a TERRIFIC suit (see Rick Baker's apes in the remake of "Planet Of The Apes" - some TERRIFIC ape suits), to my way of thinking. Either way, all of you - and I - will have a good night's sleep, and wake up to a new day tomorrow, and have a swell breakfast. Still friends? I certainly hope so. Life is too short to be otherwise!

- VL

[sasmbon]

Justin and Sasmbon - there's a wonderful old adage that applies here: "For those who believe, no explanation is necessary. For those who don't, no explanation will do."

I'm not telling you what I'm telling you to argue the point or dislodge your beliefs.

I come from the world of Illusion - Tate's Curiosity Shop in Arizona (many years defunct now) used to make everything - repeat EVERYTHING - "dead" or "embalmed" that your fathers and grandfathers saw in a carnival or circus side show. If you're under 50 you don't even know what I'm talking about! But THEY do. I'm telling you that the word going around for years is that John Chambers made the "Patterson Bigfoot suit", and all I'm telling you is he did not. If you believe the Patterson Bigfoot is a real creature, then NOBODY made his "suit", unless he dressed up to go to church. If the "Patterson Bigfoot" is a hoax as I happen to believe - it's a "crummy suit" as compared to a TERRIFIC suit (see Rick Baker's apes in the remake of "Planet Of The Apes" - some TERRIFIC ape suits), to my way of thinking. Either way, all of you - and I - will have a good night's sleep, and wake up to a new day tomorrow, and have a swell breakfast. Still friends? I certainly hope so. Life is too short to be otherwise!

- VL

I think we may have our wires crossed. I never went against you or challenged your post, I merely commented. And I never made any reference to the Patterson-Gimlin film. I'm not sure why you are seemingly defensive, there is absolutely no need with my last post. Or am I wrong altogether? The written word is very black and white, the tone of it must be constructed in a way that will be easily understood by another. If I have failed this task, I am more than happy to explain further. I am just being honest.

Edit: Still friends.

This post has been edited by bipto: Aug 23 2008, 06:32 AM

[SgtFang]

Hi Verne! I remember seeing this at a mall opening when I was about 4!

When you say "hot melt" do you mean hot melt vinyl"? -like fishing lures? That would have been great for a static body, and especially for punching all those hairs! (shudder!)

Did they fill the whole thing up with it, or just do a heavy slush coat for a skin then back fill it?

Thanks!

-Sarge

[Furious_George]

Good stuff Verne. Welcome, and hope you stick around.

If you think it's a suit (Patterson / Gimlin Film), how do you think the guy in the suit did as far as moving naturally? There are tons of scientific studies, but I always wanted to hear it from someone with costume and Hollywood experience.

.....and (sorry, two more)

Back in the mid-sixties, were the majority of the costumes in this genre masculine? (With the exception of Planet Of The Apes)
Hypothetically, if you or your coworkers were to make that suit back then, would you conceive of making it feminine?

[G-Off]

Hey Verne,

First off, I love the info you're giving us


*BUT* (sorry!)

I gotta say, the P/G film looks so much like the real thing, that if in 1967 they had a reason, or even a means to hoax something that good, well, that reason, like the film itself, have remained a HUGE unsolvable dilema (sp?) for both believers and skeptics...


I'll tell ya, I'm a believer in the P/G film, but I understand if you're not, BUT DAMN, if thats a suit, than it's the best suit EVER made, before, during, or after the time in question...


I love this forum

[SharmCos]

Wow! I love this forum too!

If Patty is crummy then maybe we can ask Verne to create a better suit than Patty or at least duplicate it?

[bigfootmorf]

Hey Verne,

First off, I love the info you're giving us
*BUT* (sorry!)

I gotta say, the P/G film looks so much like the real thing, that if in 1967 they had a reason, or even a means to hoax something that good, well, that reason, like the film itself, have remained a HUGE unsolvable dilema (sp?) for both believers and skeptics...
I'll tell ya, I'm a believer in the P/G film, but I understand if you're not, BUT DAMN, if thats a suit, than it's the best suit EVER made, before, during, or after the time in question...
I love this forum

I agree 100%! And Verne,glad to see you here,but i am a bit skeptical about Pattersons bigfoot being fake.Do you have proof,or is it just your opinion? Also,how do we know you are the real Verne Langdon ?

[bigfootmorf]

Greetings! My name is Verne Langdon (http://www.vernelangdon.com), and from 1963 to 1969 I owned half of Don Post Studios, creators of "Over The Head rubber masks", and pioneer prop builders for Hollywood film and television productions. Some time during 1964 or even later (the year is vague for all the memories, but Werner Keppler was on staff in the lab at Universal Studios and Howard Ball was still alive, should you wish to pinpoint the time), Frank Hansen read about our studios in James Warren's and Forrest J Ackerman's Famous Monsters Of Filmland Magazine, and came to see us about the possibility of creating a "concept" - he showed us a rough sketch - a prehistoric creature he planned to freeze in a block of ice, and exhibit it throughout the United States. Makeup Master John Chambers was working with us on several things at the time, so Don Sr. and I consulted with John about whether or not to take on the project. We unanimously decided against it because we felt it was an elaborate (and somewhat shady) hoax with which we did not wish to become directly involved. Frank Hansen, upon being told this, pressed us for a referral. We suggested he take his idea to Howard Ball, who was the artist responsible for sculpting the extremely lifelike dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures at the world-famous LaBrea Tar Pits in Los Angeles. We further suggested he have Howard cast the figure in hot melt, which we felt would hold up far better than rubber or any other then-known material in the ice. We contacted Howard and put him in touch with Hansen, and Frank Hansen delivered his "hot melt iceman" idea to Mr. Ball. When Howard Ball had completed the sculpture and the casting, Frank brought the creature to us to see. It looked exactly as he had designed, and the flesh-colored hot melt made it look even more realistic. John contacted Werner Keppler at Universal for Frank, and Werner agreed to make up the creature, then ventillate Yak hair into it, one, two, or three hairs at a time, depending upon the area of the body. Meticulous work, of which Werner is a master! After Werner finished with Frank Hansen's "Ice Man", Frank brought it by to show us before he had it frozen (we suggested Union Ice Company in Los Angeles, as I recall.) It would fool the toughest of skeptics, as was proven when no less than Ivan Sanderson fell head-over-heels for it! (Ivan should have known better than to declare it the real McCoy... it was being exhibited on a carnival midway at the time.) Why I am just telling you this now? I'm not. I've relayed this series of events over the years, beginning several years after leaving Post Studios for more lucrative possibilities. There's really lots more to this story, and of course John went on to create a neanderthal man for Jerry ("Little Irvy The Whale") Malone's bigfoot carnival attraction, but no, John had nothing whatsoever to do with that crummy costume thrown together for the Patterson bigfoot. But I was there during all of this, (and you weren't. I know you weren't there, because I didn't see you there!) Don't feel bad. I didn't see Bigfoot there either, at least no REAL Bigfoot, and I SADLY DOUBT I SHALL EVER SEE HIM (or her) roaming aimlessly about (although I've spotted a few similarities on the streets of Montecito, Bakersfield, Hollywood, and elsewhere, but they're just plain folk like you and me, who might be a little taller, more ape-like, and with just the right lighting and a bit of imagination could be mistaken for ..... "IT!") What brought all this to mind was those clowns in Palo Alto who froze an ape suit then called a press conference. Now just WHERE do you suppose they got THAT idea?!!! - Verne Langdon

Vern,i dont want to sound like I dont believe you,but from this post you made,it sounds like you dont beleive in bigfoot.ANd in the above post you said "I DOUBT I SHALL EVER SEE HIM",yet in your personal Bigfoot Forum profile,you say you have seen him as below:

Have you ever had an encounter with a sasquatch-like creature?: "Yes"

So please clear that up if you will.Also,please let us know how we can tell this is the real Verne,all the stuff you mentioned above about yourself can be found on wikipedia,and IMDB.com. Sorry to treat you like a suspect,but with recent events,i am opening my eyes a bit more and asking more questions

This post has been edited by bigfootmorf: Aug 23 2008, 05:36 AM

[Verne Langdon]

I think we may have our wires crossed. I never went against you or challenged your post, I merely commented. And I never made any reference to the Patterson-Gimlin film. I'm not sure why you are seemingly defensive, there is absolutely no need with my last post. Or am I wrong altogether? The written word is very black and white, the tone of it must be constructed in a way that will be easily understood by another. If I have failed this task, I am more than happy to explain further. I am just being honest.

Edit: Still friends.

Hey Sasmbon - You are SO right when you say "The written word is very black and white, the tone of it must be constructed in a way that will be easily understood by another." EVERYBODY hear me! Whenever you read ANYTHING I write, PLEASE picture me with a BIG smile on my face! (When I figure out how to do my profile here you'll SEE it!) Sorry if I came off as defensive - I "read" that way often, but if you heard my voice while you read the words they would take on a whole different meaning.) No we don't have our wires crossed. It's okay to love the Patterson critter. And I've seen that footage plus other footage of other Bigfeet (how else can I spell it?!!). Over the years I've seen LOTS of ape outfits, and overall I'd say the best by far is Charlie Gemora's. Charlie's suit is my "benchmark", and next to that suit nearly EVERYTHING else is "crummy"! But there again, when I say "crummy", I don't mean the worst thing I've EVER seen (those suits are reserved for burlesque apes and suits made from plush fabric.)

YES! "Still friends"! Always!

- VL

[Nightowl]

Mr. Langdon,

It's nice to read your posts, it's always good to have an experts view on things, especially since the Bigfoot world seems to touch on some many areas of expertise. Thanks, and I hope you enjoy your time here.

Nightowl

[Verne Langdon]

I agree 100%! And Verne,glad to see you here,but i am a bit skeptical about Pattersons bigfoot being fake.Do you have proof,or is it just your opinion? Also,how do we know you are the real Verne Langdon ?

Hi Bigfootmorf ... I'm glad to be here! (I'm glad to be ANYwhere!) I didn't really mean to open up an elaborate discussion on the Patterson Bigfoot, and it's my own fault for mentioning it.

I'm an "expert" (the only one left who was there unless Hansen is still alive - both Don Sr. and my good pal John are deceased) on Hansen's and Malone's Bigfeet (doesn't that sound silly? But "Bigfoots" would sound sillier!) I'm really here just to set the record straight on the Hansen and Malone figures.

JUST my opinion. I have ABSOLUTELY no proof whatsoever that Pattersons's Bigfoot is either fake or real. If it's fake, I'd like to find out more. If it's REAL, I don't want to meet up with it in the woods! You can handle that duty!

Now! As to how do you know I'm the REAL Verne Langdon? Well, for ONE thing: I always spell my name right (VERNE) - an imposter would screw that up more likely than not. And ... for ANOTHER thing: just WHO would WANT to pose as me? I'll tell you "who" - NOBODY! There's too many far-more-dazzling-than-I personalities out there to emulate. 'Nuff said!

-VL

[spudsquatch]

Welcome Verne and I too would like to thank you for posting that information.

Also, I hope you will stick around and will be inclined to read Bill Munns threads on "creature suits".
Would love to hear your opinion's on his opinion's.

[bipto]

Heh. Yeah, the PGF creature is a always a sure conversation starter, to put it mildly.

I'm pleased to announce that Verne has agreed to be on the Bigfoot Show this weekend with Paul and myself. Check out Verne's IMDB page and you'll see he's worked on pretty much all the best monkey suit productions of the past 30 years (including the seminal Star Wars Christmas Special where Han and Chewie visit the planet of the Wookies - ah, good times).

We're going to record the show on Sunday for release either later on Sunday or on Monday. We don't do the BlogTalk thing, so if you want us to ask him anything specifically, post your questions here.

[micahn]

I have not seen this asked yet, Could you give us a link to a costume that you think is better then the Patterson one that is from the 60's ?
Personally I have never seen one from the 60's or 70's that ever come close to looking as real. But as your in the Biz lets say maybe you can point some out to us.

Oh and BTW great work on the films you have been a part of. Some of them listed at IMDb are some really great films.

[Verne Langdon]

Mr. Langdon,

It's nice to read your posts, it's always good to have an experts view on things, especially since the Bigfoot world seems to touch on some many areas of expertise. Thanks, and I hope you enjoy your time here.

Nightowl

Many t'anks, Nightowl! Bigfoot is one of my favorite subjects, because I love setting the record straight in the case of the Hansen and Malone attractions. I'm a carnivalatic anyway - I grew up in and around them, and a good gaff is worth a good laff anyday!

Not far down the midway is Shlitze (original spelling) the Pinhead - I know more about Shlitze (aka Schlitzie, Slitzy) than anyone would want to know, and I hope you'll visit both my Finds-A-Death and Find-A-Grave bios on the little fellow sometime.

Another great place to visit is John Robinson's SIDESHOW WORLD - great backstage glimpses at "unusual" attractions like Fijii Mermaids and related stuff!

I often wonder how P.T. Barnum would have presented Bigfoot?!! Maybe similar to the Cardiff Giant (see here: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Hoaxipedia/Cardiff_Giant/ )- They also have a nifty page on Bigfoot: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/Hoaxipe...Bigfoot_Hoaxes/ .

- VL

[bigfootmorf]

Verne,thansk for answering my question.But one you didnt answer was wether you saw an actual real bigfoot.In your profile,you say yes,in the one post you said you never did and didnt think you ever would,please elaborate

[Paul1968UK]

I'll get Verne to answer that question tomorrow on the Bigfoot Show - I know the answer - it isn't a staightforward yes or no, and it would be better coming from him.

[Verne Langdon]

Good stuff Verne. Welcome, and hope you stick around.

If you think it's a suit (Patterson / Gimlin Film), how do you think the guy in the suit did as far as moving naturally? There are tons of scientific studies, but I always wanted to hear it from someone with costume and Hollywood experience.

.....and (sorry, two more)

Back in the mid-sixties, were the majority of the costumes in this genre masculine? (With the exception of Planet Of The Apes)
Hypothetically, if you or your coworkers were to make that suit back then, would you conceive of making it feminine?

FURIOUS George! Love the name!!

I just finished a three-hour chat with Paul1968uk and I'm gonna be on the Bigfoot Show this weekend. We're going to record the show tomorrow (Sunday) for release either later on Sunday or on Monday. They don't BlogTalk which is good, because I don't EITHER! HA! But if you post your questions here, I'll try to answer you all on the show. Those I can't squeeze in, I'll answer here, as time permits (Jim Warren and Warren Music keeps me jumping these days!)

Paul and I agree I may have the Patterson suit (or creature!) mixed up with another piece of film, and that is VERY possible. I can't remember HOW many Bigfoot creatures I've seen in my life! How many REAL ones? Hey, they're ALL real! Remember, the title of my Cult Movies article is "YES, Virginia, there IS a Bigfoot!" (Maybe eBay has that issue, or perhaps the Cult Movies website, though I don't know.)

Anyway, I'll try to look at the Patterson footage and get back to you.

Remember, even tho I brought up the name of Patterson (silly me!), I'm on here to discuss the Hansen and Malone figures.

But I'm enjoying hearing from you ALL very much - who knew there'd be so many out there?

Please keep it coming!

- VL

This post has been edited by Paul1968UK: Aug 23 2008, 11:45 AM

Reason for edit: Corrected name - I'm Paul, the handsome one - the other guy is Bipto!

[Crow Logic]

I saw the Iceman in 1972 on display at a Long Island Shopping Mall. It looked pretty good although its hands were disproportionally large. I thought that the hair density of the subject looked a little sparse and in a real life northern Minnesota winter environment impressed me as being inadequate for thermal insulation to the body. I believe there were stills from the Patterson Gimlin Film posted with the display too. Cost 25 cents to go through a tunstile up a small ramp and into the semi enclosed structure that housed the exibit.

One thing though has bothered me about the exibit I saw in 1972. What I saw was not the same crerature that appeared in the Argosy article. The creature I saw was more monkey like in the facial features. I say monkey because it it somehow did not possess the (mature or little old man appearance for want of a better word) that human/ape combinations seem to elicite. I thought maybe in an abstract sense even an Oriental character. Now there are some who claim that the Iceman was made in the Orient/Asia. In any event the Argosy exibit was noticably different from what I saw. Come to think of it when I first learned of the exibit I knew exactly what it was and went with the expectation of seeing exactly what I'd seen in Argosy. I'm 100% convinced that a body switch was made sometime between 1968 and 1972.

This post has been edited by Crow Logic: Aug 23 2008, 10:14 AM

[Verne Langdon]

Verne,thansk for answering my question.But one you didnt answer was wether you saw an actual real bigfoot.In your profile,you say yes,in the one post you said you never did and didnt think you ever would,please elaborate

Well, yes and no! (Like THAT answer? **wiggles eyebrows ala Groucho, then puffs cigar**).

Honestly, both the Bigfoots I've seen - the Hansen and the Malone - were "real". As in "real recreations."

Have I ever seen one running through the woods? Through my "backyard" on the beach below? No. And I truly DON'T believe I'll ever see one. Why? Because they don't exist? Look, I'm in a business where NOTHING exists until we CREATE it. We pull monsters, movies, music, and even mayhem out of thin air ("mayhem" - I started Slammers/SLAM U University of Professional Wrestling in 1989 and wrestled professionally back in the day).

I still believe in Santa Clause and the Easter Bunny. Yes, I really do. I'm 67 going on 12, and that's the way it's going to stay (the 12 part - the other part will reach "train wreck" combustible mode any day now!)

So "yes" and "no".

How much straighter an answer do you want from me?

:0)

-VL

[Kite-Squatch]

So "yes" and "no".

How much straighter an answer do you want from me?

Have you ever considered running for public office?

[Suburbo]

This has got to the one of the more enjoyable posts (so far) I've read on here in quite a while!

Verne keep posting! We'll keep reading- Bipto can't wait for the show. ( now we have an excuse to talk about SOMETHING else..)

Verne, I checked out your website and in your honor I'm putting on Martin Denny's Exotica LP and I am mixing up a Mai Tai...

[plaidlemur]

I knew the Bigfoot Show was going to go all Hollywood on us. Next thing you know they'll have Ben Affleck on (with a special appearance by Jennifer Garner), and George Clooney as their co-host. They'll have their assistants doing their postings on the BFF for them with comments like "We would love to express an opinion about this subject, but find that we don't have the time in our schedule at the moment. Thank you, the fans are the most important part of our lives."


These Hollywood Bigfoot types, geez Louise.




(Awesome guest, I'll be listening to that one)