Do you think the guys in GA have a bigfoot body?, 2nd round of polling.......... what say you today? Options

[Squonksquatch]

I swear this reminds me of the "Seinfeld" episode where George keeps pushing a lie about a beach house (or something like that) to his dead fiancée's parents, to the point where he drives them to the ends of the earth (or at least somewhere in New England, maybe? Sorry, been a very long time since I saw that episode). He keeps getting more upset that they just won't believe him, and he keeps upping the ante on them.
This can only end badly, I think.

[Randy_Hutchings]

I doubt it. Nothing marketing... it's a closed doors press conference. I don't see the point of keeping it a secret if it was for publicity.

Isn't it obvious?...They can give what little "proof" they want at such a closed door press conference, and claim it was "ground breaking" when the media laughs it off (as it assuredly will)...By doing so they can claim whatever they want was shown, discussed or offered as evidence, and when the media claims it was bunk, they can refute such by pulling the "conspiricy" claim that the real evidence wasn't mentioned in the media reports...

This is how future books are sold, and Bigfoot legends are born...

That is, if this isn't a set up for someone higher up (i.e. Penn and Teller type hoax), but I seriously, seriously doubt that's the case here...

This post has been edited by Randy_Hutchings: Aug 13 2008, 03:59 PM

[dimeslime]

BFRO is already claiming it's a hoax on their site...

http://www.bfro.net/

[Touchmymonkey]

Their site is down today it looks like. You can view what I guess is a clear picture of their "bigfoot" here:
http://forum.theparacast.com/cryptozoology...2211/page2.html

[sasmbon]

Wait, so who is supposedly guarding the body while this press conference goes on? If Rick and Matt are going to be on the opposite coast it sure seems likely that a disappearing act for the body would be in order.

I think everything that can be said so far HAS been said, and the fact of the matter is if this body ordeal is fake it is not a hoax - it is criminal. And the police officer, who will get the join the folks he put behind bars, will have his a$$ reinvented.

Edit: Removed information pertaining to three professionals I have contacted regarding this by request.

This post has been edited by sasmbon: Aug 13 2008, 04:21 PM

[jamesrav]

people have asked "to what end?". I wouldn't be surprised if the hoaxers will claim they were just floating a trial balloon to
see how society and the press would react to the discovery of an "ape man". They'll say their intentions were honorable, they wanted to make sure it got the attention it deserved. I know the UFO believers are always talking about 'disclosure', and I think the topic has
been discussed on cryptomundo. Spinning it positively might help prevent ruined reputations, although they probably should be.

[gcerrone]

Seems like it might be time for the "boys" from Georgia to be taken out behind the woodpile.
This is one waste of time and energy.

[mike2k1]

Isn't it obvious?...They can give what little "proof" they want at such a closed door press conference, and claim it was "ground breaking" when the media laughs it off (as it assuredly will)...By doing so they can claim whatever they want was shown, discussed or offered as evidence, and when the media claims it was bunk, they can refute such by pulling the "conspiricy" claim that the real evidence wasn't mentioned in the media reports...

This is how future books are sold, and Bigfoot legends are born...

That is, if this isn't a set up for someone higher up (i.e. Penn and Teller type hoax), but I seriously, seriously doubt that's the case here...

Spot on!

good to see you around Randy!!

[DZ302]

Is this the only BF related site still up? Maybe that was their goal to makes all of the websites crash...

[Texquatch]

Just out of curiosity, what do the "locals" at Georgia Bigfoot have to say about this whole thing? I almost used the term"goat-rope", but I think that we haven't seen that part...yet.

[sasmbon]

Spinning it positively might help prevent ruined reputations, although they probably should be.

I don't think so, this has escalated to a point of no return. There were many chances for the guys in Georgia to back off. This will destroy reputations, massive fines, lawsuits and possibly put people behind bars. It won't be anything like the radio broadcast of "War of the Worlds". As I said, this isn't a hoax, it is criminal.

And while I'm still in rant mode, Biscardi has contradicted himself many times. I had no opinion of him before this, but I have an opinion now.

[john54542]

- To all those who think it's that costume...I don't know. The face doesn't look 100% like it. It's obviously probably been doctored, but some people here are claiming that they can see all the comparisons in the mask...BS. The photo of the thing in the freezer is too hairy to clearly make this distinction. The eyebrows I will agree, but some of the other features you cannot see clearly 100%. Your mind is drawing things in between the lines. You have to think of the lighting, shadows, hair placement, etc. That diagram with the transition from picture to mask is interesting, but inconclusive.

You're grasping at straws here. Obviously the face has somehow been altered at the bottom to include what looks like teeth and a tongue. That does not change the fact that the top half is nearly identical. IF there are differences obviously other alterations were done. Here is a further zoom in of the noses. They are exactly the same size as each other in respect to the face, they have the exact same placement on the face in regards to how far above the mouth and how far below the eyse it sits, AND they have exactly the same outer shape, and exactly the same nostril shape. It's the same nose!



The only way this is not a hoax is if this was released as a red herring while they prepare the real pictures. I don't exactly get why they would do that unless they wanted to play games with the serious researchers they must have known would dig up this mask.

[mike2k1]

Just out of curiosity, what do the "locals" at Georgia Bigfoot have to say about this whole thing? I almost used the term"goat-rope", but I think that we haven't seen that part...yet.

Pretty much what everyone else is saying.

[SKM]

You don't seem to understand that we HAVE to police ourselves as a community, if we're ever to be given any respect what so ever for the research that we do...

Will Joe Public point at us and laugh because alot of people were duped into naively believing this garbage?...No...But those skeptics within the scientific communities, whom are the ones we need to vie to get the respect of, sure as hell will...

This incident will be brought up, again and again in the future, as proof that the only Bigfoot out there, are in the minds of hoaxers and gullible romantics (yes, I used that word) who want to believe they're not chasing myths...

So yeah, this is a big deal for some of us...Because some of us really do care about trying to do real research on this subject...

It may not affect You with the headaches and BS that will come from others, but alot of us would rather not have to put up with it...Hoaxes like this do nothing but make us unitedly look like fools, and set us back...

As if the REAL scientific community actually cared about the BF community?

Cryptozoology will forever be a little niche of science. The REAL scientific community has already thrown it under the bus. What else can they do? How can they go further to make fun of it? I don't think they can, which is why I believe no one will care next week when this hoax is debunked and a bunch of joes get thrown into the slammer.

ummm...look at this, this takes ALOT of searches:

I guess someone wants to find out about it, no?

/Edited to add: I also forgot to state that Biscardi's name was not too far down the list too, I think within the top 20 or so. FWIW
//slashies are fun!

While I applaud you for finding this little diagram, how can you say the Colorado grey alien story didn't have the same "hotness"? The graph for that story probably looked exactly like the Biscardi one when it .

[john54542]

I don't think so, this has escalated to a point of no return. There were many chances for the guys in Georgia to back off. This will destroy reputations, massive fines, lawsuits and possibly put people behind bars. It won't be anything like the radio broadcast of "War of the Worlds". As I said, this isn't a hoax, it is criminal.

And while I'm still in rant mode, Biscardi has contradicted himself many times. I had no opinion of him before this, but I have an opinion now.

I don't really see how they could be in any legal trouble at all. Is it illegal to pull a hoax if no one was defrauded of money? I guess Bicardi could sue them for his trouble if they perpetrated the hoax on him but I can't see there being a fine. I suppose these guy's jobs could be in jeopardy over this since they're in law enforcement.

[Gigantofootecus]

Aside from the 12 dozen or so red flags, I just wouldn't expect a decomposing BF body to look like that. I don't really see any definition to the arms or chest. I'm not even sure what body parts I'm looking at. If this is that BF costume, then it has a telltale breast-plate on it that the mime looks thru (unless they removed it). Since the lighter-colored chest area is not visible, the costume might not even be face up. In which case the head position would be impossible if it was a real animal. It looks unreasonably angled as it is. The neck wasn't supposed to be broken was it? The bones wouldn't have separated from decomposition. Yet the entire body looks collapsed to fit the confines of the freezer. And how come nobody complained about the stench of the rotting corpse? Was the body supposed to be as fresh as the pig guts? Or maybe the pig guts were their supper and they only had 1 freezer.

The costume makers are the key. If this mask/suit matches their product, they'll have a record of it.

But then there's always the "red herring" defense, that this was a fake photo that was leaked to throw us off the trail. The real body gets squirreled away by some rich anonymous buyer who stuffs it and places in his private collection, beside his caged Yeti.

The only way Biscardi worms out of this is to play dumb when the body disappears. Biscardi gets some publicity, the GA boys sell their book, T-shirts and expeditions (do you need to sell T-shirts if you're multi-millionaires?), and the imaginary buyer gets his wet BF costume with some pig guts to boot. That's a $500 US dollar value!

[monkey_breck]

Big, huge claim

If this is bogus then it's frightening. I won't use the word cult. But when big claims are made, they don't turn up true and then people become disillusioned. You know what I mean.

This would be like the Korean Scientists that lie about Gene data.

[wickie]

From Wiki:

"Jon-Erik Beckjord (1939 – 22 June 2008) was a San Francisco-based paranormal investigator..."

Has anyone given thought to the fact that the press conference is in Cali? Come on conspiracy theorists!

It's closer to their grand departure to Mexico

[SKM]

Also for those who say this will hurt the BF community...look at professional sports and doping.

Every athlete who uses steroids, human growth hormone, takes blood transfusions, uses illegal performance enhancing drugs, etc. is a hoax. And does America care? Football and Baseball are more popular than ever.

[Randy_Hutchings]

As if the REAL scientific community actually cared about the BF community?
Cryptozoology will forever be a little niche of science. The REAL scientific community has already thrown it under the bus. What else can they do? How can they go further to make fun of it? I don't think they can, which is why I believe no one will care next week when this hoax is debunked and a bunch of joes get thrown into the slammer.

I know a number of people within the REAL scientific community who do care, as some of them have had their own sightings or know someone they respect who has...

Don't delude Yourself into thinking You know everything...I assure You, Ya don't...

But when things like this occur, especially of this magnitude, they HAVE to step back and let it cool down before they can even begin to show interest in it again, lest they be criticised and chastised for their interest in the subject...

I know, as I have a few people whom I talk semi-regularly with who wouldn't discuss the subject of Bigfoot, even in a jestful sense, here in Tennessee for a couple of years after the glaringly ridiculous Coy fiasco made all those interested in Bigfoot look like freakin kooks...

Those people within the REAL (as You so graciously put it) scientific community who do have an interest in this subject catch a whole lot of hell when things like this occur, and it's those people who, to a large degree, have to act as the ambassadors between us (researchers and enthusiasts) and them (that fore mentioned REAL scientific community)

Also for those who say this will hurt the BF community...look at professional sports and doping.

Every athlete who uses steroids, human growth hormone, takes blood transfusions, uses illegal performance enhancing drugs, etc. is a hoax. And does America care? Football and Baseball are more popular than ever.

That is the most ridiculous analogy I've ever seen made on a Bigfoot forum...

And I've seen alot in my time...

This post has been edited by Randy_Hutchings: Aug 13 2008, 04:37 PM

[jamesrav]

finally got on the cryptomundo site, and was disappointed to see Loren flip-flop yet again. Now he's extremely skeptical, and says
the reason for the "it's the real deal folks!" (not a quote, but the general tone he was putting forth) was to 'play along' with the bad guys.
To me, that's sad - I realize he needs to earn $$$ to fight his IRS battle, and getting millions of hits (and potential book buyers) would go a long way towards that. But at what price to ones integrity? I'll stick to this forum and anomalist.com for my information from now on.

[gpucci]

I don't really see how they could be in any legal trouble at all. Is it illegal to pull a hoax if no one was defrauded of money? I guess Bicardi could sue them for his trouble if they perpetrated the hoax on him but I can't see there being a fine. I suppose these guy's jobs could be in jeopardy over this since they're in law enforcement.

Biscardi was the one that should be sued because 2 years ago he collected over $100,000 in his big foot hoax, then went on to try to keep the money after he said he would refund new members and renegged on it. I wish people would do some more research on this idiot. In a couple days people will feel sorry for him when he's the bad guy in all of this.

[sasmbon]

I don't really see how they could be in any legal trouble at all. Is it illegal to pull a hoax if no one was defrauded of money? I guess Bicardi could sue them for his trouble if they perpetrated the hoax on him but I can't see there being a fine. I suppose these guy's jobs could be in jeopardy over this since they're in law enforcement.

I think the legal problems started when the police officer identified himself as such over the internet. That is contrary to Georgia law. The journalists who will travel to the press conference will have wasted time and money. It's unethical to pull a hoax, not illegal. However should one red cent change hands (apparently there are buyers/it has been or will be purchased) that fall under the category of fraud. At this point it is impossible to know about the monetary situation, but one could assume that money will change hands at some point if it continues like this. I hope the Georgia guys have good legal council, this seems to be a bomb yet to go off but inevitably will. With all of that said, apart from the fact that at least one of the involved has broken State law, much of this is still conjecture.

[SKM]

That is the most ridiculous analogy I've ever seen made on a Bigfoot forum...

And I've seen alot in my time...

Do you not know what a hoax is?

Definition of hoax from Marriam Webster's Dictionary:

Main Entry:
1hoax Listen to the pronunciation of 1hoax
Pronunciation:
\ˈh�ks\
Function:
transitive verb
Etymology:
probably contraction of hocus
Date:
circa 1796

: to trick into believing or accepting as genuine something false and often preposterous
â€â€� hoax·er noun


A sports athlete using illegal performance enhancing drugs falls into the category of a hoax. I think you just have nothing to say in response to that analogy, so you pull out a weak generic flame-rebuttal card like "You're an idiot" or something.

This post has been edited by SKM: Aug 13 2008, 04:42 PM

[AlbertaSasquatch]

I definitely think they will pull the old "We gave you hoaxed pictures" card and then biscardi is going to say "I had to play along so that I could see the REAL one for myself, that was the only way they would let me see it." I could be wrong but that is the direction I feel this thing is going. They will admit yet another hoax and we will all be waiting for Friday when they will say "Wait until September 1st" or some sort of nonsense like that. I feel sleepy, geez!

[Randy_Hutchings]

Do you not know what a hoax is?

Definition of hoax from Marriam Webster's Dictionary:

Main Entry:
1hoax Listen to the pronunciation of 1hoax
Pronunciation:
\�ˆh�ks\
Function:
transitive verb
Etymology:
probably contraction of hocus
Date:
circa 1796

: to trick into believing or accepting as genuine something false and often preposterous
�€� hoax·er noun


A sports athlete using illegal performance enhancing drugs falls into the category of a hoax. I think you just have nothing to say in response to that analogy, so you pull out a weak generic flame-rebuttal card like "You're an idiot" or something.

Comparing athletes who make several million dollars (some times, much much more), live in houses big enough to successfully hide a family of sasquatch if they so wanted, and their getting fined and smacked across the proverbial wrist for doing "performance enhancing supplements" to some yokels and an infamously known Bigfoot hoaxer, especially when You consider that You've been ranting on about how main stream society isn't going to give a rats ass next week, when Your subjects (professional athletes whom are quite mainstream and have lost careers and legacies over the use of such drug taking, and Bigfoot research) are about as far from mainstream society as one can get, and yeah...I find that analogy laughable at best...

Such an analogy doesn't take in the myriad of reasons why professional athletes are forgiven and forgotten in this day and age (money to be made from their performance on a team, the money lost on the endorsement deals they have, the legacy that could be lost by doing so, ect. ect. so forth and so on)...So to try and make a comparrison with a Bigfoot hoax?...

Yeah, I just can't come up with a valid response, that's it...

You got me...

[wickie]

Could I just take this opportunity to say 'welcome' to those who have registered in the past few days, and 'welcome back' to those who had strayed from the forum and have returned in recent days.

I'm sorry if this story turns out to be a hoax, but I really hope you guys stick around after this is all over - there is a lot of interesting stuff on this website.

Thanks, and I plan to stick around, this forum is better then "American Idol"

[gfanikf]

So did Tom pay the Reggeton artist for the use of his song on his site when talking about analization (check the opening lol).

[john54542]

finally got on the cryptomundo site, and was disappointed to see Loren flip-flop yet again. Now he's extremely skeptical, and says
the reason for the "it's the real deal folks!" (not a quote, but the general tone he was putting forth) was to 'play along' with the bad guys.
To me, that's sad - I realize he needs to earn $$$ to fight his IRS battle, and getting millions of hits (and potential book buyers) would go a long way towards that. But at what price to ones integrity? I'll stick to this forum and anomalist.com for my information from now on.

Man what an incredibly lame way to flip flop. This just makes a person look worse. When you're wrong just admit it!Coleman's comments that he knew more behind the scene info that he couldn't divulge that really made this look legit was one of the things that had half the researchers thinking it may actually not be a hoax. If it is a hoax he has a lot to answer for on just what it was that had him convinced it was likely the real deal.

[wickie]

Also for those who say this will hurt the BF community...look at professional sports and doping.

Every athlete who uses steroids, human growth hormone, takes blood transfusions, uses illegal performance enhancing drugs, etc. is a hoax. And does America care? Football and Baseball are more popular than ever.

America lives for its baseball and football,...bigfoot, that's just a joke to most. sorry it's reality.

[wiiawiwb]

...I find that analogy laughable at best...

Such an analogy doesn't take in the myriad of reasons why professional athletes are forgiven and forgotten in this day and age (money to be made from their performance on a team, the money lost on the endorsement deals they have, the legacy that could be lost by doing so, ect. ect. so forth and so on)...So to try and make a comparrison with a Bigfoot hoax?...

Yeah, I just can't come up with a valid response, that's it...

You got me...

In professional sports, athletes who dope or "enhance", have wilfully fooled people (fans) into thinking they are seeing the real deal when they're not. In this case, people were fooled into believing they were about to see the real deal which they're not.

[Data]

Just saw the fox news clip. It just gets stranger and stranger. Now as they have invited fox news next week, they can´t bail out without being on the big news. Siucide, if a hoax I would say. As they fixed the date to next week, this story ends very soon. This way or the other.

This post has been edited by Data: Aug 13 2008, 05:22 PM

[Mausinn52]

NEWS FLASH:::::::

Due to the fact that the 10mil check hasn't cleared the bank, the news conference has been moved to Motel 6 in Bakersfield.