Wildman Creek Geocaching photos, Did anyone ever follow up on this? Options

[Mulder]

Apeman's "eyeshine" thread reminded me about this...I remember (and still have copies of the pictures) that were posted on that geocaching site where the party may (or may not, to satisfy certain parties) have run into a bigfoot. I checked out the page after signing up for a free user account and found out it was in Oklahoma.

Has anyone done any followup on this? Like talking to "runinnwithscissors" (user name) on the geocaching site? Or maybe trying to find this place? From the sound of the backstory, there might be a chance of ongoing activity in that area...

I was playing with the photos (adjusting contrast to bring out details) and got some ambiguous results, except for ONE photo, which I found interesting.

[Dutch]

Mulder,

How about a link to the geocaching forum you're referring to? Can you also post the pictures you're examining, particularly the one in which you got the interesting results?

[JayleeD]

I remember the pictures but I don't have any idea where to find the thread on here. If you have a link to it here, I'd appreciate you posting it. Thanks

[JohnWS]

There's a thread HERE that makes reference to Wildman Creek & Geocashing.

[Robert]

I just found it and looked at it. Very clear eye shine photo, but taken from inside a car with the windows rolled up. No other details.

[JohnWS]

Hmmm. Found while quickly skimming the thread.

This is disturbing.

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LU...75-7384123753fe

They want to hoax sighting's to spice up thier cache.

Maybe the same thing happened with the oklahoma photo's?

From HERE

I hasten to add I've not re-read the entire thread yet.

[JohnCartwright]

I just found it and looked at it. Very clear eye shine photo, but taken from inside a car with the windows rolled up. No other details.

Wow...that is very interesting and very spooky too. The figure appears to be lanky, or is it just me?

[Robert]

I think, but I'm not sure, that what you see that looks vaguely like a figure beneath the eyes is a reflection from inside the car on the glass.

This is the one that freaks me out.



It's probably all a hoax anyway.

This post has been edited by Robert: Oct 28 2007, 11:24 AM

[Gigantofootecus]

Hmmm. Found while quickly skimming the thread.
From HERE

I hasten to add I've not re-read the entire thread yet.

It turned out that this reference was unrelated to the Wildman Creek geo-caching photos.

I actually designed my avatar after the "Wildman" in the Creek 2 shot under the bridge (not shown here). The main discussion progressed to a possible full-size "cut-out" being used for a hoax. But it would have been huge and there would have been at least 2 since the figure shows at least 2 orientations (which can't be accomplished with a single 2D cut-out). The figure towered over a bush that the geo-cachers stood next to for their group photo. It was one BIG cut-out.

Then there was the issue of the eye-shine, which is a giant leap of faith for those who think sasquatch can't have it. In the end, I considered this a pretty good understated hoax. Even if it was a legit encounter, it could never get past the blobsquatch category. Only an admission of hoaxery could resolve this one. Here's a summary I posted on the other thread.

FWIW, I did a bit more digging into the "Wildman Creek Cache" and here's a little background. This cache, which is still ongoing to my knowledge, was located under a bridge crossing Pettiquah Creek, about 50 miles SW of Tulsa Oklahoma and began at least 3 years ago (maybe longer). More details about the original cache might be available if you become a member of geocaching.com. Any members here?

I never saw any last names of these 3 cachers, known by their pseudonyms, Baron, Parkermen, and Parkermen's daughter Taryn. Since their alleged encounter, for the most part, they have kept a low profile with all this. No fanfare, no BFRO report and Baron and Parkermen posted only 1 log each to the geocaching.com website and that seems to be it. Parkermen's log was more descriptive and got picked up by some geocaching sites that reposted his log and pics. Baron's log entry and pics (including the Creek 2 shot) have not been circulating thru the geocache sites (overlooked?). I never saw a single enhancement done on any of the photos except by other cachers who superimposed themselves into the group shot as a humorous attempt to "solve the case". Not one person accused the Baron/Parkermen cachers of hoaxing. If anything, the geocache community seemed intrigued and somewhat matter-of-fact about it all. I didn't see any feedback or dialogue stemming from the Baron/Parkermen encounter. No red flags from anyone doubting the integrity of this crew. If they're perpetrating a hoax, it's a very subtle one, and based on their actions it might be more likely these 3 were also victims of the hoax.

Apparently, their story is well known amongst geocachers and I found 10 cache logs for what's now known as the "Bigfoot Cache". The original cache that Baron/Parkermen found in Feb 19/2003 (you can see Taryn holding the box in the group shot) was replaced in July 17/2004. It's now a Doritos container and cachers are expected to trade items and place an entry in a logbook.

The group shot was indeed taken at the exact location they found the cache, under the bridge. The pic was intended to document the finding of the cache. You can apparently park within 50 feet of the cache which I assume is at the top of the embankment at the elevation of the Creek 2 shot.

There was considerable buzz regarding the Wildman Creek area prior to the Baron/Parkermen encounter. The satellite photo for this cache site makes references to bigfoot tracks, stone throwing, mutilated deer, and more. This was the draw to this site all along. Maybe it's the power of suggestion but a few cachers that posted a log about this site commented on the foul stink. One cacher apparently found several animal bones/carcasses. The stink was mostly attributed to rotting flesh. Interesting that rotting animal carcasses would be a prominent feature in this area for over 2 years. Here's some snippets from the posts for this site:

December 26, 2004
"This was our first geocache find! How fun! We left a donkey and took the knife. No sign of Bigfoot...likely he was off for Christmas vacation. However, we did find several animal bones and carcases! We really did! Thanks for a great time."

October 29, 2004
"LAST CACHE OF THE DAY. JUST GETTING DARK. DID'NT SEE ANY BIGFOOT, BUT DEFINETLY COULD SMELL HIM. SURE NEEDS A BATH. THANKS FOR THE HINT. "

October 23, 2004
"Well I decided to go and get this one and the roads were not bad considering it rained yesterday. A beautiful Fall morning out in the country. As I arrived at the bridge area I could feel something watching me. I shrugged it off as i proceeded to look for the cache, still feeling as I was not alone. Finally found the cache and paused for a minute to look around the bridge with my camera. I heard some noises and leaned over the bridge and took a picture then headed back to my car. As I sat down and looked, there was something, I don't know what, running away down through the grass, so I took a couple of pictures and quickly left."

(Note: Likely a tongue-in-cheek post. 2 pics submitted by this cacher shows himself with a superimposed gorilla head, in homage to the Wildman. But the 3rd pic seems innocuous enough to be sincere. And..I know, I know, this pic is a major blobsquatch, if even that, but it shows the bridge in daylight)



July 20, 2004
"FTF The only sign of Big Foot were some foot prints in the sand and of course his smell."

February 19, 2003 (Pakermen)
"We grabbed our cameras, GPS's, and caching stuff and started looking for the best route to approach this cache. The GPS says it was under the bridge, and we finally found the best place to get down to the cache. The smell of dead rotting animal carcasses was beginning to get terrible at this point and I started getting the feeling that something was watching us, but I didn't say anything to the others, figuring I'd start a panic with the rest of the caching crew and then we'd never find this cache....Having set up my camera on a miniature tripod, we got together for a group picture, holding the cache for photographic proof as being at the cache site."

February 19, 2003 (Baron)
"We got to the site, it STANK, BAD, like dead rotting skunk (I have washed my jeans and they still stink), and the place was creepy with a capital CREEPY."

So..should this cache site represent a point of interest for squatch-watchers? The Baron/Parkermen crew obviously aren't spot-light whores. Are they hoaxers having second thoughts, or victims of a hoax, or are they just trying to put the event behind them? Need the cachers to pipe in.

[JohnWS]

Thanks GF. I just bailed out of one attempt to read through all the thread - it seemed a little confusing to say the least. I remember it going on but don't think I really read it at the time....

[Mulder]

It turned out that this reference was unrelated to the Wildman Creek geo-caching photos.

I actually designed my avatar after the "Wildman" in the Creek 2 shot under the bridge (not shown here). The main discussion progressed to a possible full-size "cut-out" being used for a hoax. But it would have been huge and there would have been at least 2 since the figure shows at least 2 orientations (which can't be accomplished with a single 2D cut-out). The figure towered over a bush that the geo-cachers stood next to for their group photo. It was one BIG cut-out.

Then there was the issue of the eye-shine, which is a giant leap of faith for those who think sasquatch can't have it. In the end, I considered this a pretty good understated hoax. Even if it was a legit encounter, it could never get past the blobsquatch category. Only an admission of hoaxery could resolve this one. Here's a summary I posted on the other thread.

You left out the cache planter (runninwithscissors, iirc) own comment to the party "I told you not to go there after sundown" or words to that effect.)

As to the creek 2 photo, it's in the gallery for the cache. I have it and did bright/contrast enhance:





Note the lower left (if you need the prompt).


*edit* I forgot THIS enhancement of one of the other photos, also intruiguing. Note the "layered" appearance of the figure, denoting different body parts are different distances to the camera, suggesting (to me anyways) a 3d source, not a 2d one.



This post has been edited by Mulder: Oct 28 2007, 04:40 PM

[Susan]

It does look a lot like a cardboard cut-out with something reflective used for the eyes. Shoulders are uneven and not very wide.


"I told you not to go there after sundown" almost sounds like the perpetrators used the reputation of this area to pull a stunt on their fellow cachers.


Who knows?

[sosha]

I was the one who originally brought posted this about the "wildman" cache and looked at the photos and saw the "apparition" in the background. I emailed both men through the site asking if they could elaborate at all on what happened. Neither one has responded to date. I doubt they ever will. I don't think they were trying to create a hoax...if you read their account of events it sounds like the one guys daughter was genuinely scared and freaked out about the whole thing....so I dunno...but the photos did intrigue me...