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[longtabber PE]

A few flaws in the person on the screwboard theory... #1 remote location, #2 Apparent size of foot #3 depth of penetration givent he numbner of screws weight was place on and teh big one IMO is the lack of any synthetic fibers or wool or Cotton. I find it doubtful a person would have been bare foot. So a shoe would have left signs, not to mention would have made it even harder for the penetration of the screws.

its also possible that the effects of weathering account for the lack of anything present too ( 2-3 years-since nobody actually knows when the board was allegedly stepped on)

We also dont know if multiple animals stepped on it over a period of time.

We dont know that the alleged "size' has nothing to do with the size of the foot- it could as easily be said the animal took another "swipe" or attempt to step before it gave up.

Thats why I question the credibility ( and professionalism) of any "scientist" who immediately jumps to a far out conclusion before attempting to rule out or address other possibilities. ( thats not how it works)

This alarms me a bit

we have a board exposed to the elements

we have no way to know when the board was stepped on

we have no way to know how many animals might have stepped on it

Yet, theres the "outline" of a BF foot print- to me thats like seeing clouds take shapes

Then these same scientists actually have the "potential encounter" they were allegedly hoping to get- they werent prepared for that contingincy? They just run inside?

I just expect a higher level of performance, preparation and scientific methodology from people with advanced degrees

[Dogfoot]

Apparently you are not a practicing or publishing scientist. Give a scientist 1-2 data points, and he can build a construct of world history / cronological hypothesis of his field. Until the next data point comes along. See it all the time in bio/geo/ocean.

So where's your new data point to extend the debate? Without an alternative, nay-sayers sound like that ass on Larry King the other night claiming that group of UFO witnesses were all nuts, or at leasst mis-guided in what they saw.

This post has been edited by Dogfoot: Nov 10 2007, 05:56 PM

[Sasquatch]

I watched the show for the second time last night.

The Comcast menu listed the show as being the one with the 4 female researchers, so I was disappointed that they got that wrong, yet from what I observed, the nail board incident occurred in 2003. Two years later they retrieved the board with the samples. That of course makes it 2005. So, with rudimentary logic being applied here, that puts the show being filmed 2 years ago! Say what?!

That's plenty of time to determine the DNA results that were spoken of being waited on. So.....what were the final results? And why did it take 2 years to air this episode? Seems a bit long, but I don't work in television, so maybe it's not that outrageous.

I watched the episode this morning and the label on one of the vials containing the material from the nail board said 8/14/06. So the date it was collected was 15 months ago.

[longtabber PE]

Apparently you are not a practicing or publishing scientist. Give a scientist 1-2 data points, and he can build a construct of world history / cronological hypothesis of his field. Until the next data point comes along. See it all the time in bio/geo/ocean.

Actually i am ( altho not recently now)

But thats an apples to oranges comparison- the sciences you describe are close to mine and have a high degree of qualification regarding what would be considered a data point ( and then data set)

As far as his hypothesis- I have seen no evidence of any attempt to examine all possibilities ( first step in the validation of legitimacy and accuracy of the data to be used) Any hypothesis ( regardless of field) has to be at least based on knowns or logically supported conclusions- not just speculation based on visual acquity

I have seen no evidence of blind or double blind testing for further authenticity.

I have seen little evidence of any strategy or process map on how he plans to achieve his goals.

After the conduct in this episode- I have seen no evidence of any legitimate scientific methodology, planning, preparedness or much of anything else.

Good and entertaining television but somewhat lacking when it reflects on the actions of the team.

[uffda320]

Okay...here's what I'm seeing.


Current Names : Query Record Details
Name : Snelgrove Lake
Province/Territory : Ontario
Feature type : Lake
Location : Kenora
Latitude - Longitude : 51° 07' 14" N - 91° 48' 18" W

While there are no "cities" or even big towns up there, there is a First Nations community less than 10 miles from Snelgrove Lake. I'm not saying anyone from the Slate Falls Reservation has anything to do with this incident, I just think this is something one should consider, before coming to the conclusion that a bigfoot trashed the cabin.

[longtabber PE]

So where's your new data point to extend the debate? Without an alternative, nay-sayers sound like that ass on Larry King the other night claiming that group of UFO witnesses were all nuts, or at leasst mis-guided in what they saw.

Not really sure what you are asking, but I'll give it a shot

I gave several alternatives upthread

I'm not in a position to give a new data point because i wasnt there and dont have any data to make a point with regarding the entire trip.

All I can comment on to extend the debate is what i saw- and what I saw ( given the professional positions of the team) was not impressive. It was said upthread that a kindergarten class could have done better- I concur

[FredSneakers/Dav...]

Erg, I was hoping to watch a rerun, but it looks like this episode will not be rerunning. BooOoO

Is it worth buying?

[Zonie]

Erg, I was hoping to watch a rerun, but it looks like this episode will not be rerunning. BooOoO

Is it worth buying?

Not for $24.95, or thereabouts...

I got up at 4am here in AZ to watch... should've stayed in bed.

Alan

[rockinkt]

Criminal Code ( R.S., 1985, c. C-46 )

247. (1) Every one is guilty of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years, who with intent to cause death or bodily harm to a person, whether ascertained or not,

(a) sets or places a trap, device or other thing that is likely to cause death or bodily harm to a person; or

-b - being in occupation or possession of a place, knowingly permits such a trap, device or other thing to remain in that place.


HMMM... people living within 10 miles... a device having 2 inch screw nails set up on the floor/ground in front of an access point to a cabin. Yep - if I was still in harness - I would be talking to the owner of the cabin about his breaking a very serious law.
Sub-section -b- would also allow a police officer to take action against all those people who saw and/or examined the device and put it back in place.

I can't believe someone would put any such device out for any reason short of war. That is just being unbelieveably stupid and reckless about a fellow human being's well-being - not to mention extremely cruel towards any other animal that may impale themselves on such a device.
Been to hundreds of cabins in my work and play - and not one of them had such devices.
As far as a human seeing this device - if they were sick or injured and looking for sanctuary - they may step on it. Young kids innocently exploring might step on it. With 3 or 4 inches of snow - the spikes would not be seen and someone might step on it.
Besides - not every animal or person that walks around a cabin is actually interested in breaking in.

Just thought I would add my .02 worth as a former Canadian police officer.

This post has been edited by rockinkt: Nov 10 2007, 10:33 PM

[billgreen2005big...]

hey everyone im realy looking forward to the next new sasquatch segment that will be on monsterquest sometime next month i think. opinions please.

This post has been edited by billgreen2005bigfoot: Nov 10 2007, 11:08 PM

[JohnCartwright]

Does anyone know exactly where Snelgrove Lake is located? I'll settle for the GPS coordinates or a link to a map. The only Snelgrove Lake I can find in google, is in northern Newfoundland. And, according to the show, this takes place in Ontario. I just wanna see how close to civilization this lake really is. Yes, I understand it's 200 miles to a city of 10,000 people. But, how close is it to a smaller village? I figure it can't be too far in the boonies. Otherwise, how'd they get all the stuff up there to build the cabin? You can't carry plastic chairs, windows, sinks, doors, boats and other supplies in that float plane.

There is a link to it in a post above somewhere....

[longtabber PE]

hey everyone im realy looking forward to the next new sasquatch segment that will be on monsterquest sometime next month i think. opinions please.

The next one is supposed to be about re examining the PG film. That should be interesting and hopefully provide much more information than the last one

[uffda320]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slate_Falls_Airport

I just love the internet..hehe. It appears there's even an airport, albeit an airport with a gravel runway, 6.1 miles north of Snelgrove Lake. So much for the theory that there can't be any other humans for 200 miles.

[Schilleville]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slate_Falls_Airport

I just love the internet..hehe. It appears there's even an airport, albeit an airport with a gravel runway, 6.1 miles north of Snelgrove Lake. So much for the theory that there can't be any other humans for 200 miles.

They never said there weren't humans jsut that the only sizable community.

Longtabber...I can see that no answer will satisfy your gripes. The people on trhe show made no concrete claims that there was in fact a sasquatch. I think for the most part they laid out what they were able to observe and obtain. You gripe about the scientific process, then gripe that hte evidence is so old that it can't be reliable. I am not a scientis but I am wondering how long DNA stays in organic matter such as a blood stain a hair or possibly tissue. IIRC DNA fingerprints don't simply dissapear. The results can be tainted thought.

I think you are making a bit of a mountain out of a mole hill.

[billgreen2005big...]

The next one is supposed to be about re examining the PG film. That should be interesting and hopefully provide much more information than the last one

hey longtabber that should be a very... interesting new bigfoot segment. bill but in the upcomeing months monsterquest will have other new segments about sasquatch.

[longtabber PE]

They never said there weren't humans jsut that the only sizable community.

Longtabber...I can see that no answer will satisfy your gripes. The people on trhe show made no concrete claims that there was in fact a sasquatch. I think for the most part they laid out what they were able to observe and obtain. You gripe about the scientific process, then gripe that hte evidence is so old that it can't be reliable. I am not a scientis but I am wondering how long DNA stays in organic matter such as a blood stain a hair or possibly tissue. IIRC DNA fingerprints don't simply dissapear. The results can be tainted thought.

I think you are making a bit of a mountain out of a mole hill.

They arent gripes- just observations

Its not a gripe about the scientific processes exhibited- its a fact that a boy scout could have done a more professional job

The evidence is old ( and exposed to weathering and cross contamination- those are the 2 biggies)- technically, DNA will remain as long as the sample does thus making results useless ( and useless results are just that)

[rockinkt]

"Its not a gripe about the scientific processes exhibited- its a fact that a boy scout could have done a more professional job"

That sums it up for me.
What worries me most of all is that this was probably the best these people could do in a real bush setting!

This post has been edited by rockinkt: Nov 11 2007, 06:41 AM

[wiiawiwb]

Uffda320..nice job.

I also came away from watching the show with the notion there wasn't a human around for 200 miles and the cabin was only accessible by airplane. No doubt that is the conclusion the show wanted you to believe. If the show had said, "The nearest community was 200 miles away BUT they are very small pockets of civilization nearby", the isolation factor would not have had the same impact. However, once you learn there are small pockets of civilization nearby, and weren't told that, the show's credibility suffers.

As I looked at the airstrip there are roads (likely dirt) around making travel in the area possible. I can't tell which lake is Snelgrove but there is one dirt road southwest from the airstrip that goes at least 4 miles. If that were in the direction of Snelgrove Lake someone would only have a two-mile hike to the cabin.

Juxtapose the show's failure to report the log being thrown against the cabin (weighing in favor of credibility) against the show leading its viewers to think the cabin was sooooo isolated from civilization, that no human could be out in the woods (weighing against credibility). Sprinkle in noted and highly-respected Sasquatch reseachers who run for cover, like a troop of Girls Scouts who discovered a snake in the trail, and I'm left thinking the show was an absolutely ham-handed production.

There may be facts about those few days at Snelgrove Lake that have been withheld that would help illuminate things. There may also be facts wittheld that will be reported in the next segment about Snelgrove Lake. Don't know and can't say. What I can say, however, it was an interesting story but, with benefit of additional information, I don't have confidence in the credibility of that which was reported.

[Pywacket]

Ok, folks, I am finally waking up. That 4 hr drive back home from the TX Bigfoot Conference was murder. Of course, it didn't help that I was so full of the yummy BBQ that Mr. Woolheater provided for us to eat at dinner.

The first thing Dr. Meldrum did was put the DNA analysis, from the MonsterQuest episode, to rest. He had already gotten a lot of questions before he got up to speak, and he wanted to answer them for everybody once and for all.

He essentially said that there would be no more analysis from the screw board. Couldn't get enough to be worth diddly squat to begin with, ain't gonna be anymore now. Too old, too weather beaten, and too little.

Basically, he said "Don't hold your breath for anymore about the DNA."

Which, I believe I said myself.

Gee, I didn't know it was filmed OVER a year ago!!!

Now, I'm REALLY not going to hold my breath waiting for the DNA results.

[uffda320]

Uffda320..nice job.

I also came away from watching the show with the notion there wasn't a human around for 200 miles and the cabin was only accessible by airplane. No doubt that is the conclusion the show wanted you to believe. If the show had said, "The nearest community was 200 miles away BUT they are very small pockets of civilization nearby", the isolation factor would not have had the same impact. However, once you learn there are small pockets of civilization nearby, and weren't told that, the show's credibility suffers.

As I looked at the airstrip there are roads (likely dirt) around making travel in the area possible. I can't tell which lake is Snelgrove but there is one dirt road southwest from the airstrip that goes at least 4 miles. If that were in the direction of Snelgrove Lake someone would only have a two-mile hike to the cabin.

Juxtapose the show's failure to report the log being thrown against the cabin (weighing in favor of credibility) against the show leading its viewers to think the cabin was sooooo isolated from civilization, that no human could be out in the woods (weighing against credibility). Sprinkle in noted and highly-respected Sasquatch reseachers who run for cover, like a troop of Girls Scouts who discovered a snake in the trail, and I'm left thinking the show was an absolutely ham-handed production.

There may be facts about those few days at Snelgrove Lake that have been withheld that would help illuminate things. There may also be facts wittheld that will be reported in the next segment about Snelgrove Lake. Don't know and can't say. What I can say, however, it was an interesting story but, with benefit of additional information, I don't have confidence in the credibility of that which was reported.

Thank you. I'm glad someone followed my thinking. I saw that dirt road as well. That "airport" is NE from the lake, and if that dirt road does extend to the SW, it's not that far from the end of that road to the cabin. That was the whole point of my research. Not to debunk what's being reported, per se. It was an attempt to show that the nearest person that could've done the damage is much closer than 200 miles. Even some of the things that are happening could be attributed to humans, if in fact, they're so close by. Heck, even Sioux Lookout is only 71 miles from the lake. Sioux Lookout had a population of 5,336 in 2001. It's a major departure point for flights heading north into the bush.

At the conclusion of the show, I was impressed. A cabin 200 miles from civilization. What an awesome opportunity for research. But, now seeing that there are quite a few other people, fishing at Lake Bamaji, just 7 miles away, it doesn't look as impressive.

[JohnCartwright]

Uffda320..nice job.

I also came away from watching the show with the notion there wasn't a human around for 200 miles and the cabin was only accessible by airplane. No doubt that is the conclusion the show wanted you to believe. If the show had said, "The nearest community was 200 miles away BUT they are very small pockets of civilization nearby", the isolation factor would not have had the same impact. However, once you learn there are small pockets of civilization nearby, and weren't told that, the show's credibility suffers.

As I looked at the airstrip there are roads (likely dirt) around making travel in the area possible. I can't tell which lake is Snelgrove but there is one dirt road southwest from the airstrip that goes at least 4 miles. If that were in the direction of Snelgrove Lake someone would only have a two-mile hike to the cabin.

Come on! It's still a very remote spot. That's nitpicking...

Sprinkle in noted and highly-respected Sasquatch reseachers who run for cover, like a troop of Girls Scouts who discovered a snake in the trail, and I'm left thinking the show was an absolutely ham-handed production.

Now this really bothered me, why the heck did they run back into the cabin?? They could have at least had someone there who was not a sissy.

Ok, folks, I am finally waking up. That 4 hr drive back home from the TX Bigfoot Conference was murder. Of course, it didn't help that I was so full of the yummy BBQ that Mr. Woolheater provided for us to eat at dinner.

The first thing Dr. Meldrum did was put the DNA analysis, from the MonsterQuest episode, to rest. He had already gotten a lot of questions before he got up to speak, and he wanted to answer them for everybody once and for all.

He essentially said that there would be no more analysis from the screw board. Couldn't get enough to be worth diddly squat to begin with, ain't gonna be anymore now. Too old, too weather beaten, and too little.

Basically, he said "Don't hold your breath for anymore about the DNA."

Which, I believe I said myself.

So, did Dr. Meldrum wear a skirt to his presentation?

Did you ask him why they acted like wimps and ran into the cabin?

[FredSneakers/Dav...]

Damn, you guys are mean!

For those of you who have not had a rock thrown at them: It hurts, really really bad. I don't blame them at all for hiding in the cabin like wimps.

[Melissa]

I guess some think in order to be an effect researcher, you need to be willing to risk serious injury...

Sorry, but I will always protect myself first. If that makes me a bad researcher, so be it. I am certainly not going to wind up in a hospital or in my doctors office monday morning - and then defend how I got hurt, and on top of it be called a liar. LMAO.

I can just hear my doctor now

Doctor: "You were being pounded by rocks, tell me why you didn't get out of the way?"

Me: "Well, I wanted to see what was throwing the rocks"

Doctor: "Did you?"

Me: "No, it stayed in the treeline"

Doctor: "Yet, you stood there and allowed yourself to be hit by rocks and injured?"

Me: "Yes".

Doctor: "Ok, pick up your bill at the front desk". "Your stupidity is going to make me very rich".

[rockinkt]

"...pounded by rocks"???

If one is prone to exaggerate - then I guess one could make any situation seem far more scary than what is was.

The questions that need to be looked at in each case are:
How many rocks were thrown?
How big were they?
What was the velocity?
How close did they come to actually hitting anyone?


Taking into account what happened in this case - I'm surprised these people even venture out of their own homes onto the roads.
After all - we at least know for sure that people get injured or killed every minute on some road in North America; whereas, we do know that no-one has ever reported actually being hit by any rock throwing attributed to this phenomenon!

[JohnCartwright]

"...pounded by rocks"???

If one is prone to exaggerate - then I guess one could make any situation seem far more scary than what is was.

The questions that need to be looked at in each case are:
How many rocks were thrown?
How big were they?
What was the velocity?
How close did they come to actually hitting anyone?
Taking into account what happened in this case - I'm surprised these people even venture out of their own homes onto the roads.
After all - we at least know for sure that people get injured or killed every minute on some road in North America; whereas, we do know that no-one has ever reported actually being hit by any rock throwing attributed to this phenomenon!

I thought they only mentioned one rock and It was on the roof! am I wrong? It did not look too big when they pulled it off the roof.
They did not seem to be playing Sasquatch dodgeball to me. It's ok to admit to be scared, but it seems to happen too much on these
programs. Dont they know how scary a Sas is? Cant they bring along at least one crazy Rambo redneck friend to sacrifice? We could get some great DNA from his bite wounds.

edited spelling

This post has been edited by JohnCartwright: Nov 11 2007, 04:08 PM

[Dogfoot]

I think the show mentioned htht the rocks hit the roof. At the end, someone was on the roof and found a not very big rock up there. Past BF rock throwing episodes had left me to epect something substantially larger.

Velocity? v=at, and s=1/2 gt^2. Knock yourself out.

Interesting about the fellow (not Meldrum) who spwent the night at the canoe portage by himself. Didn't seem concerned or frightened. Then again, it was a 'passive' night. At the cabin, however, 1-2 rocks off the roof freaked him (them) out.

This post has been edited by Dogfoot: Nov 11 2007, 05:57 PM

[Zonie]

I'm thinking we might need to start a separate thread...

on what it's going to take in order to get off the porch in the future! What does it take to have the intestinal fortitude to stay put, or even advance on what might be...

I'd like to think that I would... with at least one other brave soul.

Alan

[Racer]

my 2 cents worth....

I live in NW Ontario, and as a matter of fact worked in the logging industry 90 miles NW of Sioux Lookout. All alone, operating a skidder on strictly 12 hour night shifts. No others working, just me. 10 miles from camp.

Now, for you folks complaining about the nail board, you can keep your whining down South, because we dont cry like that up here. My own neighbour has nail boards in front of his sheds to ensure that if anyone does want to break in, they're going to think twice when they do it the next time. As a matter of fact my family owns some remote properties, and guess what? Theres nail boards in place. Anybody unaware of them had no business being there. And if all you got was a sore and infected foot, consider yourself lucky. If I catch ya, youre going to have bigger concerns. Nail boards are not uncommon! I actually thought the one on the show was pretty nice with the screws, since todays nails bend too easily.

Next, for those of you thinking that Curt Nelson is some sorta super man for camping out in that place.... I dont get it. He camped where a footprint was found many years earlier according to the cabin log. Camping there would be the equivalent of taking a swim in the ocean where someone once saw a shark! And we know sharks are real, and they actually have prooved to be dangerous on the very rare occassion. Camping on a piece of Canadian Shield is nothing to get all worked up over. Ive done it hundreds of times, and yes in spots as remote as Snelgrove Lake.

As for Lawyers, our Judges arent known for awarding millions for spilling coffee thats too hot on you. There is little sympathy from the courts for idiocy. Good luck pressing and making charges stick to a tresspasser who has an infected foot.

If there is a Reserve nearby, it would not be hard to believe the locals destroyed the cabin. Afterall many of them believe the land is theirs, and theirs alone.. Shame we dont play with the same rules with what we give em.

My very own encounter occured at a remote lake in NW Ontario, in a very isolated area. We were circled for a couple of hours, while the creature remained just within the tree line, never allowing a clear view. After awhile it seemed to go away, and I went to sleep on the ground in front of the truck. No nads of steel, I was just tired! If I truly had the b*lls I needed I woulda tried to chase it down and tackle it.

Nelson and Meldrum couldnt be "packing" unless one of them is a licensed trapper, up here guns are for the weak. We dont allow just anyone with insecurity issues to get their paranoid hands on them.

And one final point. PLEASE folks, stop thinking these creatures are going to tear us limb from limb, they are just a timid animal. If you hit one with a car, or shot one, there is no army of squatches that are going to attack you. Y'all need to snap out of that timid world you live in.

I was out in the bush today, and ran directly into a beautiful buck.. He could hurt me bad, and Im unarmed, but the Buck just runs away. Fight or Flight, and animals will 99 times out of 100 take flight.

Great show by the way. I think up here is where we will finally get one of the buggers. Reading the posts here, many many of you folks have no idea how remote it is up here. We can hide California up here, and you wouldnt find it. Even if it was labelled WMDs

Oh, PS, yes they do fly planes with aluminum boats strapped to them. Youd be suprised at what they do.

This post has been edited by Racer: Nov 11 2007, 08:43 PM

[rockinkt]

Puhleeze - don't try your macho crap here.
I have spent a lot of time in the North and I am a former Canadian police officer. You northern equivelents of dumb-ass rednecks are just an embarrassment.
You do NOT have any right in Canada to place man-traps (that is the Criminal Code of Canada I quoted by the way). Obviously - the OPP is not aware of the number of jerks like you that own property and place such things outside them in your neck of the woods.
You are also really stupid if you think that you cannot get your ass sued off for causing injury for such negligence in a civil court of law too.
Since when do you need to be a trapper to own and use and carry a firearm in Canada????
As far as guns being for the weak - that is just another dumb-ass statement. Bears, wolves, and cougars can and will kill you.

This post has been edited by rockinkt: Nov 11 2007, 10:24 PM

[billgreen2005big...]

hey everyone wow very informative new opinions about the segment called sasquatch attack on monsterquest. im definetly looking forward future segments about sasquatch/bigfoot on monsterquest & new opinions about those future segments. thanks bill

[Racer]

Puhleeze - don't try your macho crap here.
I have spent a lot of time in the North and I am a former Canadian police officer. You northern equivelents of dumb-ass rednecks are just an embarrassment.
You do NOT have any right in Canada to place man-traps (that is the Criminal Code of Canada I quoted by the way). Obviously - the OPP is not aware of the number of jerks like you that own property and place such things outside them in your neck of the woods.
You are also really stupid if you think that you cannot get your ass sued off for causing injury for such negligence in a civil court of law too.
Since when do you need to be a trapper to own and use and carry a firearm in Canada????
As far as guns being for the weak - that is just another dumb-ass statement. Bears, wolves, and cougars can and will kill you.

Nothing "macho" about it. If youre not man enough to know the truth, thats your problem my friend. I guess just like most of the cops out there, you are a coward. When you carry a gun all your life, have the law on your side, a partner, and a radio to call for backup, you dont feel too good in a potentially dangerous situation without those luxuries. The real folks of the world walk around without those comforts so we never develop the same insecurities the police do. Im not bashing cops, but without all your gear, youre just as vulnerable as the regular guy. When stripped of your comfort zone, you get scared and look for help.

Yup the Criminal Code of Canada you quoted may be the law, but what really happens and whats within the confines of the law are 2 very different things. Example? speed limits. Nobody drives the limit, its only when its exceeded by an unreasonable amount that anything is done about it. I think everyone can agree to that.

The few city cops and OPP I know are still of the thought that justice comes in many forms, and with the sparse distances they must cover, they understand how things can work. Besides, theyre not man traps, theyre man deterents. It all depends on how you look at things.

As for the trapper part, if the MNR pulls you over, out of hunting season, you better have a very good reason why you have a gun. Try telling them its for protection, and they'll laugh at you. Trappers can carry a gun at all times (including a handgun). Got an F A C and a hunting licence, and its out of season, you better have a bundle of targets or clay pigeons cause the MNR will make your life hell. Theres a group of MEN, the Conservation Offiicers are on the ball, and work hard with little. My hat goes off to them.

As for Bears, Cougars, and Wolves killing us.... welll, your showing your cop ignorance. Can they kill you?? yup, you bet they can, but will they??? I think the odds of that happening are much less than getting hit by lightning twice within a week. Bears run from you, Cougars are rare here, but they dont bother you, and Wolves??? Ha, when I worked in Sioux Lookout, in the middle of the night if a hydraulic hose broke on the machine, I would get off it, leave the lights on, remove the hose, and walk the mile or so back to where the service truck was parked (along with my own vehicle) and I would go make a new hose, and walk back carrying two 5 gal pails of hydraulic oil and wrap the hose around my neck/shoulders. Guess where the wolves were?? CLOSE, very CLOSE, they would circle around you, but they would keep their distance. Was I scared? yes, the first few times it happened, , but after that they almost seemed like dogs to me, and never really posed a threat to me.

During the daylight hours the wolves kept their distance pretty good, if you saw one while walking during the day (sometimes Id go for a late afternoon walk before heading to the job site, any of the wolves I saw would keep about 500 feet away or so. Youd see them crossing the road, or watching you, but they kept their distance. Under the cover of darkness, they would come within 75 feet or so. Did I have a gun? nope. Did I want one? yes, but I couldnt just go buy one. I had to work, so I went to work.

Macho crap??? maybe in your eyes, but its the truth. So, when I go fishing or for a walk in the bush, I go unarmed. Why? because first I have no desire to kill anything (but Id shoot a squatch) and second and most importantly is the MAN IS THE APEX PREDATOR! how did we get there? without guns?

my suggestion is to "man up"

[Schilleville]

Here's a question about the locals having potentially torn up the cabin. When humans do that kind of thing don't they typically also break out windows? Unless of course they were intentionally trying to make it look like a bear, but then if they were trying to make it look like a bear wouldn't that minimize the "message"?

[troggon]

"And one final point. PLEASE folks, stop thinking these creatures are going to tear us limb from limb, they are just a timid animal. If you hit one with a car, or shot one, there is no army of squatches that are going to attack you. Y'all need to snap out of that timid world you live in.

I was out in the bush today, and ran directly into a beautiful buck.. He could hurt me bad, and Im unarmed, but the Buck just runs away. Fight or Flight, and animals will 99 times out of 100 take flight."

It's that 1% that scares people, yes it may be rare but it can happen. Examples are the Grizzle Man, Croc hunter, and the one guy in the discovery show "The Anatomy of a Shark Bite". Wild animals are well wild and can be unpredictable and dangerous, no matter how timid they can be. Anybody with a good head on their shoulders should be very careful when dealing with an animal of unknown tendency.