Your opinions on twist-offs please Options

[Mystical Hominid]

Not an expert here, just chased by one thirty years ago. It sounded like Paul Bunyan tearing through the forest at high speed. We could hear trees snapping at least a mile away and getting nearer rapidly. He could snap a four inch trunk with a twist of the wrist, I believe. [looking at the picture of a twisted tree] He seemed to know where we were from at least a mile away, we being on the top of a hill and him being down in the valley by the freeway. His howl/yell seemed to be directed directly to me and my friend.

Holy crap! Thats a heck of a story. Can you elaborate? What were the events that led up to the encounter and what happened? how did you escape the wrath of the howling sasquatch?!

[Bitter Monk]

If you think about it, that behavior is quite evident in equivalent human social interactions too Though our symbolism typically tends to be a lot more abstract, we're quite capable of getting the obvious message; thus underscoring the wisdom of the ages: kill a chicken and scare the monkeys.

What?

[mike2k1]

dogu4:

If you think about it, that behavior is quite evident in equivalent human social interactions too Though our symbolism typically tends to be a lot more abstract, we're quite capable of getting the obvious message; thus underscoring the wisdom of the ages: kill a chicken and scare the monkeys.

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[Hairy Man]

Kill a chicken and scare a monkey?

I thought it was feed a cold and starve a fever??? I can't be expected to remember all this. My brain is full.

[Mystical Hominid]

Heh.

The monkeys are chicken.

[yowiie]

Oooooo...Mike! Very interesting. I had a similar experience near where we ended up finding a "nest". On a couple of occasions, the next day after we had call blasted the night before, a tree near where we had been would end up snapped. We found a print near one of those trees (as well as by the nest).

Hairy man
This bed you found, what did you do with it? Did you remove any material from it? Did you find anything in the material.?Where was it located ie the position North ,south etc and was it against a tree

[PEPPERSFARMS]

I saw a program on Animal Planet some time ago and this researcher was examining a gorilla nest, I remember he made the statement that the gorillas defecated in the nest. He described the defecation as having the consistence of horse manure. Did you or has anyone found a nest that was defecated in?

[Hairy Man]

There wasn't anything in the nest. I took it apart and excavated the bed, screened it, and picked through the contents with a microscope. Nothing...nada...zlitch... Here is a link to the report.

[yowiie]

There wasn't anything in the nest. I took it apart and excavated the bed, screened it, and picked through the contents with a microscope. Nothing...nada...zlitch... Here is a link to the report.

That would have p***ed me off, after locating the nest and then nothing, what a shame. I was hoping that you had recovered some hairs, so we could compare what I had found in the beds that I had disovered. You would think that there woulld have been hair evident. Never mind themns the breaks

[colstonewall1]

What?

Wasn't that a line out of that movie, ummm. oh yeah. . .Chickens in the Mist

I don't know what did this:

July 2005, My field partner and myself were witness to some very intense, close range vocals(150-200 yards). Very dense, swamp vegetation. We never saw what made the vocals, because as we tried to circle in to the source of the sound, something large crashed through the undergrowth, away from us. We found broken limbs, ect, but no good tracks.The ground had about an inch layer of water and the ground that didn't was spongey and wasn't taking good tracks. We don't know to this day what it was. The next week, we went to the same spot, hoping to get similiar results. The part of the trail we were standing on the week before, had 2 trees about 8 ft tall bent over in an arch(pretty much where Steve and I were standing). The top of the trees were pinned to the ground using logs. There was also a log placed in a crook of 2 trees growing together. the log was pointing toward the direction I had headed, trying to circle the source of the vocal. The only tracks in this area were partials and undeterminable . These items were not here the before, we searched the site very thoroughly and made no observations of these structures.

This is th log in the crook of the tree, you can see the stump it came from.



This is one pin. There were no storms in this area at the time we were there to the time we came back(approx. week).



This is the second pin. The light gray limb is the top of the live tree(leaves had been removed on this one) and the darker limb pinned it to the ground.



Although, I cannot attribute these to sasquatch, they are extremely interesting and given the short time space they were made in, plus no storms, they are interesting and we have not been able to explain them.

Now that was freaky Mike. Do you have any ideas on why the elaborate stick/limb placements??

[mike2k1]

Col,

I really don't have a clue other than pure speculation. All I can say is the bowed trees were in the appoximate area Steve and I were standing(within a yard or two) and the log was pointing in the direction I headed when we tried to circle in on the source of the vocals. If it was coincidence, it was mighty damn coincidental.

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[colstonewall1]

Col,

I really don't have a clue other than pure speculation. All I can say is the bowed trees were in the appoximate area Steve and I were standing(within a yard or two) and the log was pointing in the direction I headed when we tried to circle in on the source of the vocals. If it was coincidence, it was mighty damn coincidental.

Seriously weird any way you look at it.

[yowiie]

My opinion is that tree breaks or twists are done to make a large crack or snap sound to deter you from advancing on them or their area, a scare tactic.

In Oz I have discovered quite a lot of tree breaks similar to what you have here on this post , I have put them down as being made by our yowie, but what gets me thinking is ,why would the Yowie have the same manerisms as the BF in the respect to the tree breaks. Do you get what I 'm trying to say.
If these animals evolved many kilometres apart why would they have the same traits.

[vilnoori]

Sounds a lot to me like trail sign..."human went that-a-way, watch out" maybe? When I hike, and when lots of people do, they put stick arrows or piles of stones in different shapes as signs to themselves or to others. I usually put stick arrows on the ground to help myself find my way back when I am going through unfamiliar forest with a trail that has multiple branching paths. Some folks will break a low-hanging branch so it hangs into the path, same reason.

Yes, it could just be display but hanging a log off a y branch like that AND pinning a sapling down like that seems to me like rudimentary communication.

[bwillard]

FFT

Researchers should document the types of trees, their location (altitude, placement with others of same species, geology, etc.), whether they are twisted right or left handed, diameters, height above ground, density of twisted to untwisted, ratio of unbroken twists to broken in the area, patterns with multiple twists. A map can be quickly drawn up so that monitoring the site over time might yield valuable information.

Rick, great post. That was my point exactly in the other thread about stick structures. There is no harm at all in documenting this type of findings. The only harm done is taking 5-10 minutes to take photos and document measurements and so forth.

I've seen a ton of twisted and broken trees that I think could easily be attributed to nature. I've seen much of this often attributed as being related to the sasquatch, with little or no evidence to support it. Yet I've also seen a fire break where something had broken off three pine branches about eight feet off the ground on the northern side of the break. None of the hardwood branches were damaged, but each of the pines had a limb broken at relatively the same height, in such a manner that they dangled down over the trail. It doesn't mean that sasquatch did it, but it was enough to get my attention.

I think if or when the sasquatch is ever proven to be a real animal it will eventually be discovered that they do indeed mark their territory. Whether or not those markers have anything at all to do with the alleged twists and what not or whether they prove to be something entirely different will remain to be seen.

Bittermonk, I agree with your comment. Territorial markers seem to make more sense to me as well than for navigational type purposes. Great post!

[DPowles]

Yea im sticking to territory markings.

[xpert4u]

Col,

I really don't have a clue other than pure speculation. All I can say is the bowed trees were in the appoximate area Steve and I were standing(within a yard or two) and the log was pointing in the direction I headed when we tried to circle in on the source of the vocals. If it was coincidence, it was mighty damn coincidental.

Hard to see from the angles of the shots, but did you happen to look for claw or teeth marks?

[mike2k1]

Hard to see from the angles of the shots, but did you happen to look for claw or teeth marks?

Yes we did, and we didn't find anything like that. We also looked for sign of deer antlers in the bows but didn't find any. We see deer rubs alot but these didn't have any of the sign. We also searched the area for tracks and found partials but no definate track. The ground is full of leaf litter and it makes it hard to find complete prints. Sorry about the shot angles but I did my best

[Wolf Among Dogs]

Depends on the surroundings. Some I think are dominance related ( like beating on the chest) some are used for marking areas.