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moregon
post May 19 2007, 08:04 AM
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Some of you may remember the picture I posted in the not too distant past regarding a forensic scientists recreation of what a Neandertal may have looked like based on their skull and techniques used to identify what remains of people may have looked like in life. The thread was Here.

Here is the picture the thread was based upon once again.
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This recreation was based on known measurements of flesh thickness of modern man, so by basing those measurements on the Neandertal Skull there is room for error since we don't have the actual measurements of those areas on a Neandertal. Although our own skulls are very similarly shaped, unless we know the race of the modern man we are trying to recreate we can't accurately estimate things like width and size of nose, thickness of the lips, fullness of cheeks etc. We also can't look at a skull and say this person weighed 120 pounds or 450 pounds, and at both extremes their actual physical appearance will be considerably different.

Another point to consider is hair growth and hair patterns, this is another thing we can't tell simply by the skull. To the best of my knowlege there is no surviving pieces of soft flesh from a Neandertal that would define what their hair pattern was nor the type of hair they actually had. Was it long, fine and straight like a caucasian, or more wirey and curly like other races. We can't tell if when they were living if they were clean shaven, had a beard or were a specimen of a person with hisutism. What IF the picture is wrong, what if they didn't have defined eyebrows like modern man, nor a hairless forehead?

One thing that struck me was the shape of the nose in the recreation above. I realized it was very similar in appearance to the nose in the blow-up of Patti in the Patterson-Gimlin footage, albeit a little bit longer than Patti's. Here is a blow-up of I'm referring to.


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There's been a lot of discussion in regards to what appears to be a sagittal crest on Patti, but for one moment let's consider that what we are seeing is not actually a sagittal crest, but nothing more than her natural hair growth and pattern. If the hair was very wirey could it not stand up and create a similar appearance on top of someone's head if left uncut/untrimmed?

Using the picture of Patti above, and my Windows Paint program I found what the dimensions of her eye appears to be. Top to bottom in the center as well as dimensions from corner to corner. Using those dimension I found what the dimensions, percentage wise would be in the fleshy unhaired sections that appear in her photo. I also found the dimension from the top of the eye to the top of the alleged crest. Then taking the picture of the recreated Neandertal, I found the dimension of his eye and used the same percentage differences to map out where the hairline would be as well as the top of the crest based on the dimensions of Patti. I realize this is all highly speculative, and very possible if I used the same dimensions on a modern human I'd get similar results, as it's similar to simply putting a disguise or make-up on someone to make them appear as someone else. Would the end result show this is even a possibility, or rule it out completely? I apologize I don't have any really good computer drawing programs nor am I a computer artist. What do you think?

Could THIS:

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Be THIS?
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Or is this not even a possibility?

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If the hair is curly/kinky/wirey and of sufficient depth it would explain why there are no ears apparent, they would be hidden under the hair if the length was sufficient to cover them.

If this is nothing more than hair growth, this is approximately what Patti would look like with a haircut based on the same measuring technique I used only using the dimensions of the Neandertal transferred to Patti.

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moregon   Hypothetical Question   May 19 2007, 08:04 AM
mkianni   Is there any way , in computer wizardry, that the ...   May 19 2007, 08:12 AM
moregon   I suppose there would but without knowing where th...   May 19 2007, 08:26 AM
Gigantofootecus   I always thought Peiltch's hairless Patty look...   May 19 2007, 11:04 AM
Hairy Man   Very cool! I really don't think Patty is ...   May 19 2007, 07:28 PM
BobZenor   Neanderthal apparently evolved for 500,000 years i...   May 19 2007, 09:15 PM
Apeman   A nuchal crest is basically a flange, protuberance...   May 20 2007, 07:51 PM
Hairy Man   It depends, Bob, on exactly what it is you are sug...   May 19 2007, 11:20 PM
moregon   And I think there are so many better possible ance...   May 20 2007, 05:54 AM
bipto   ...lose fire and gain body characteristics. Doesn...   May 20 2007, 06:22 AM
17x7   Here is the picture the thread was based upon once...   May 20 2007, 12:53 AM
P.J.   hmmm....I think we may be on to something here.......   May 20 2007, 09:41 AM
moregon   hmmm....I think we may be on to something here.......   May 20 2007, 10:54 AM
Hairy Man   In 1900 the average height of a male adult in the ...   May 20 2007, 02:28 PM
P.J.   "Meet the Mystery Man Five foot five inches ...   May 20 2007, 10:28 AM
dogu4   This is an interesting discussion. I wonder if the...   May 20 2007, 11:34 AM
BobZenor   You cannot argue that humans cannot change actual ...   May 20 2007, 04:38 PM
Hairy Man   I don't think you read what I wrote, Bob. At ...   May 20 2007, 06:21 PM
BobZenor   Sorry HarryMan, those double negatives did confuse...   May 20 2007, 09:27 PM
HarryHenderson   Sorry HarryMan..... <sniffin trouble> Okay...   May 20 2007, 09:59 PM
Hairy Man   LOL! Seriously, I've broken one Bob alrea...   May 20 2007, 10:23 PM
Apeman   This is a little better. The skull is supposedly ...   May 21 2007, 12:37 AM
monkeyears   crazy stuff ppl/ but nothing close too proof posit...   May 21 2007, 02:40 PM
SquatchCommando   From my limited 30 second encounter with a Sas it ...   May 22 2007, 06:27 AM
moregon   SquatchCommando how did the one you saw remind you...   May 22 2007, 09:24 AM
SquatchCommando   You made some good points. the nose Patty nos...   May 22 2007, 10:40 PM
moregon   As far as the Neandertal nose, we only have an art...   May 22 2007, 11:38 PM
LAL   Neandertal reconstructions seem to change with the...   May 23 2007, 03:37 AM
vilnoori   Dang it, why didn't I see this thread? :thumb...   Jun 18 2007, 01:55 AM
wvbig   Some of you may remember the picture I posted in t...   Jun 18 2007, 07:42 AM
WmRoy   http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/05-127-feature/...   Jun 18 2007, 11:38 AM
Texas Bigfoot   http://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/05-127-feature/...   Jun 18 2007, 01:27 PM
BobZenor   Something occurred to me recently about the nuchal...   Jun 18 2007, 12:41 PM


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