St Croix footage on Cryptomundo, hadn't seen any threads on it Options

[xpandafarmerx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpmMUx_r-bA

pretty interesting i must say... link to the article...

http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/wi-bigfoot-video/

[DanChamberlain]

It's the exact same guys who released videos that are purported to be in Ohio.

Listen, I grew up in St. Croix Falls. There is a location to the North called the "Barrens." After that, you get into some great habitat for large creatures to include lots of bear. Wisconsin is known for its farms, but you go north of Highway 8 and it gets progressively more and more dense. If there is a bigfoot anywhere, they'd find good habitate in northern Wisconsin, but this video is just more of the same stuff coming out of some other site. Same behind the leaves and trees stuff.

Another thing. The BF is making a lot of noise going through the brush and it's looking at the stuff it has to navigate through. The camera person is focusing on the viewfinder, yet appears to be moving through the same brush magically without stepping on a single branch, twig or dry leaves! Yes, they could be on a trail filming into the brush, but I'm thinking they didn't consider this initially and will only after some of us notice and call them on it. Then they'll say, "I was walking on a trail or small fire lane or something. I'm calling it extremely questionable.

Dan

This post has been edited by DanChamberlain: Jul 11 2006, 07:13 AM

[Sunflower]

I watched this on a FULL screen on my monitor and the very last second shows a shot from the backside to the head. It looks very robust from that angle. I also noticed the light filtering through the trees makes the hair looks silver or white at the ends. Anyone else notice this? Not having actually seen a creature, I can't say real or hoax. The profile on youtube says the person is 56 yrs old, could be a lie, I agree. For some reason it reminds me of the video that Richard Sade posted on youtube last winter????

Sunflower

[xpandafarmerx]

well one thing about YouTube... it allows both pranksters and people without technology to post bigfoot video. this is one video i'm pretty interested in simply because it's not so obvious as a fake. we jump on things too quickly sometimes as being hoax. but we fail to remember that the invention of YouTube allows a much wider range of footage to emerge.

it's not so obvious a man in suit (like the Ely footage), and it's not a total blob. we see action, definition, and colors. for this reason alone it's worth looking more into.

This post has been edited by xpandafarmerx: Jul 11 2006, 07:54 AM

[OKBFFan]

This makes me say "hmmmmmm". The light shining thru the hair is what got me. Hmmmmm.

[DanChamberlain]

What gets me is the Manitoba video received instant and almost national attention. The "makers" of this video are almost anonymous. Two different motivations? And, sunlight can't shine through man-made fibers?

Dan

This post has been edited by DanChamberlain: Jul 11 2006, 08:05 AM

[Maheekat]

They're getting better, nice arm swat!

[bipto]

Yeah, this one's nearly believable. Without context, all I can say is it's interesting. If it's a hoax, at least the guy put some effort into it.

[Heep-um-Poop]

I like it!

That whole St Croix (sp?) river area has always been a good for reported activity.

[Blackbear]

Darn...I cant really see much...especially with my slow computer...whats the deal with flash videos anyway...does anyone have this video in like WMV or Mpeg etc? that was we can brighten it etc...

[MooseMan]

I really don't know what to say about this one....

[paysonfear]

The physicality of "it" negotiating the underbrush seems very realistic, and with my uneducated analysis, looks pretty consistent with something with that heavy body weight...

Addendum 2: After viewing the vid again, I'll expand on my prior positive comment, and make a neg one as well; the arm swat and arm movement seem very powerful, I cant see a man in a suit swatting with that much fast twitch momentum, it seems fairly effortless, on the other hand, just prior to the swat, the fur seems very unrealistic looking, and unnaturally stiff. Damn, now that I think about it, just how stiff would a BF's fur be anyway ??? lol

This post has been edited by paysonfear: Jul 12 2006, 01:35 AM

[Jimotheous]

Looks interesting but I'd have to say bogus.
The story that supposedly goes with it doesn't fit. It is claimed as "huge" but it sure doesn't look that big compared to the foilage. The story says it was "Real hard to keep up with it" but the thing is barely moving and the cameraman seems to be easily working his way sideways on clear ground to keep up with it. Lastly, there doesn't seem to be any sense of excitement. I mean that thing is close and the cameraman is showing no excitement or emotion either in sound (no loud exclamations or soft exclamations, no excited, panicked breathing, nuttin!) or movement (not jittery or jumpy).
It is one of the best efforts I've seen but it still doesn't feel right to me. How the video feels may not be the best measuring stick but lacking any other evidence I'll go with that. :wink:

[bipto]

There was another thread about this video that has been closed. You can see it here:

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?showtopic=15588

[Maheekat]

Anybody else notice the car engine noise in the beginning?

[bipto]

I hear it now. Is that an airplane?

[bigGun]

Interesting. Something that stood out to me was towards the end, when it swings and knocks the limb/branches out it's way you don't hear any kind of grunt or "ouch"...I would think most people would make a grunt or something of the sort after hitting something like that. When I go on a deer drive and I'm crashing through heavy brush, there's all kinds of noises coming outta my mouth.

This post has been edited by bigGun: Jul 12 2006, 08:19 PM

[WISQUATCH]

Something just bothers me about how close this person was able to get to the creature in the video without the creature showing any type of reaction or going into a panic. Toward the end of the video the videographer can't be more than 25ft from the subject. Just isn't acting like any animal, I've ever gotten close to.

WIS

[Maheekat]

I hear it now. Is that an airplane?

I think a plane then a car....busy place.

[curtskinn]

After watching the video, I think that it is a clever hoax. The reason say this is that the person is too close to the "creature" for it not to be real. Wild animals are generally going to stay as far away as possible to humans, and this "creature" if it was a real "creature" would have at least made some sort of threat display telling the cameraman they were too close.

[Squatchaholic]

Thank you WISQUATCH, that was my first thought when viewing this. On the vids with sound that look anywhere near real, the person taking the video is FREAKING OUT. That's what gives the vid of Darryl C.
of the TRBC some credibility with Scott Herriot in the"Squatching" DVD. A large man who works out all the time is CRYING as he videotapes. I give him credit for hanging in there as I probably would have run. That's what's suspect here.

[moregon]

A number of things bother me about this video.

As mentioned by Wisquatch, the camera man seems to be extremely close, and making enough noise that it's being recorded with the video. Yet this alleged bigfoot is not paying any attention to it.

You have to ask yourself, why would a bigfoot take this apparently rugged path through the woods, instead of an easier route, knowing full well it's being followed. The cameraman appears not to be having anywhere near the amount of trouble navigating via his route.

There is a spot in the video, where if you look down to where the back of the legs should be, it looks like a straight line, as if it were the back of a very long coat, no seperation or definitive leg is visible.

I'm also bothered by the coloring of the body. Why? Because my ex-wife and her mother both owned 3/4 length coats of what looks to be the same color back in the mid '80s that this creature's coloring seems to be. They were faux fur, and reminded me a lot of blue merle coloring you find in some dogs. Here's a link to a dog with a blue merle coat for comparison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Smooth_Collie_600.jpg

With that in mind, I'm also bothered by the uniformity of the coloring of the hair on the head, primarily silvery white, and no apparent blending or hint of the same color as the rest of the body. Please, let me know if you've ever seen a picture of a gorilla, even a silverback, with a shock of silver-white hair on just it's head totally different from the rest of it's body. I just did a search on Google, in their Image directory and out of the 400 plus photos of Silverback Gorillas that I just scanned, not one of them had silvery white hair in stark contrast to the rest of their body.

So I have to lean towards it being a hoax.

This post has been edited by moregon: Jul 13 2006, 01:18 AM

[Teresa]

Thank you WISQUATCH, that was my first thought when viewing this. On the vids with sound that look anywhere near real, the person taking the video is FREAKING OUT. That's what gives the vid of Darryl C.
of the TRBC some credibility with Scott Herriot in the"Squatching" DVD. A large man who works out all the time is CRYING as he videotapes. I give him credit for hanging in there as I probably would have run. That's what's suspect here.

Okay, I obviously haven't seen the crying video, could somebody point me in that direction? Crying??

This post has been edited by ARsquatch: Jul 13 2006, 05:23 AM

[peregrine]

Thank you WISQUATCH, that was my first thought when viewing this. On the vids with sound that look anywhere near real, the person taking the video is FREAKING OUT. That's what gives the vid of Darryl C.
of the TRBC some credibility with Scott Herriot in the"Squatching" DVD. A large man who works out all the time is CRYING as he videotapes. I give him credit for hanging in there as I probably would have run. That's what's suspect here.

Okay, I obviously haven't seen the crying video, could somebody point me in that direction? Crying??

I have never seen this "Squatching" video, but I can guarantee that it does not feature Daryl Colyer of the TBRC.

[JayleeD]

Thank you WISQUATCH, that was my first thought when viewing this. On the vids with sound that look anywhere near real, the person taking the video is FREAKING OUT. That's what gives the vid of Darryl C.
of the TRBC some credibility with Scott Herriot in the"Squatching" DVD. A large man who works out all the time is CRYING as he videotapes. I give him credit for hanging in there as I probably would have run. That's what's suspect here.

Okay, I obviously haven't seen the crying video, could somebody point me in that direction? Crying??

I have never seen this "Squatching" video, but I can guarantee that it does not feature Daryl Colyer of the TBRC.

That comment threw me for a loop also peregrine. Yetifan, would you be so kind as to clear this up for us?

[JayleeD]

Nevermind, I searched and found this post by Scott. Right place, wrong Daryl.....

Here's a gif of what I believe is a Squatch Daryl Owen and I encountered
in '92 near the mouth of the Klamath River and is shown in "Squatching".

The big blobby thing moving in from the left is Daryl's finger, pointing. If you can't
make out the text....the upper word is "Head" the lower one is "Shoulder".

One additional point...we were following up a sighting from two witnesses from a few weeks earlier which had occured at the base of the hill we were atop when this image was captured. The two kids who had the sighting reported the creature as light-colored.


Thanks,
Scott

http://www.bigfootforums.com/index.php?sho...ching&st=25

[Squatchaholic]

Thanks for clearing that up Jaylee D. I obviously mixed up the names. Again for anyone who has not viewed this DVD, the man is crying from being in close proximity to the creature.

[Sasquatched]

I must concur, the ease with which this thing was filmed for an extended period in dense brush that never really allows any viewable details of the cretaure? may be a clever hoax...

I went stop and go pause through the whole thing and only found two shots where a discernable sasquatch-like external feature was noticed... that being a saggital crest on the head... the screen caps below show the two moments where this feature is viewable... albeit, it's not that clear in the screen cap - especially w/o the context of movement, but if you stop and go pause through the second half of the clip, you should see what I mean...

[bipto]

My feeling is, if this is a hoax, then the perpetrator knows a thing or two about what these are supposed to look like. I remain intrigued...perhaps even against my better judgment. Time will tell...

[bigGun]

My feeling is, if this is a hoax, then the perpetrator knows a thing or two about what these are supposed to look like. I remain intrigued...perhaps even against my better judgment. Time will tell...

Anyone know the investigator enroute to the scene to meet with the person who shot the video?

[escAPEe]

A team of investigators from upstate New York drove to Wisconsin this week. One of them is Steve Kulls (see his web site at The Squatch Detective). Steve spoke with the videographer by telephone on Tuesday night to make arrangements for obtaining a copy of the original tape. Steve's Squatchdetective organization is now working with the videographer to identify the location where the video was taken and determine whether details of the background story can be corroborated.

[Sasquatched]

A team of investigators from upstate New York drove to Wisconsin this week. One of them is Steve Kulls (see his web site at The Squatch Detective). Steve spoke with the videographer by telephone on Tuesday night to make arrangements for obtaining a copy of the original tape. Steve's Squatchdetective organization is now working with the videographer to identify the location where the video was taken and determine whether details of the background story can be corroborated.

Good news - Steve has excellent photographic and videographic analysis tools and skills... I'm sure he will have much to report after analyzing the full resolution master tape and putting it through his paces...

[RavenMadd]

shame I've seen so many fakes and blobs ..to be honest I get bored