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[Bigfoot Believer]

Searched BFF and haven't found any postings about this alleged November 2005 sighting. Here's the link with video:

http://www.angelfire.com/realm3/marknelson/

Personally, I'm confounded by the video. Body movement and arm swinging seems like an exaggerated Patty. Possibly a gorilla suit. On first glance, it seemed that the image was stretched, like the bigfoot was edited into the tall grass through video compositing.

But after repeated viewings, it may be legit.

Comments?

This post has been edited by Bigfoot Believer: Nov 18 2005, 10:31 PM

[micahn]

Howdy all
I was just looking and did not see a topic started on this film/site yet. Does anyone remember it being talked about here yet ?
http://www.angelfire.com/realm3/marknelson/
If not what do you think about it ? I think it is little better then a Blobsquatch as you really can not tell much from it. To me it sure does look like a fake, But the only ones that really know is the ones who took it I guess. The bad thing is it is so short. If it was real I am 100% sure that much more film was taken. It is not even out of sight yet when the clip stops. Plus he zoomed right in so you really could not get the chance to really see what it is. No one is that dumb to zoom in that much on something.

Anyway lets here what you all have to say about it.

[The QuatchWatche...]

It is interesting.

Looks like a drunk 'Patty Shuffle'.

No conclusive frames. :help:

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[socaldave]

As usual, pictures inconclusive at best. Couldn't get the video to run.

This post has been edited by socaldave: Nov 18 2005, 11:20 PM

[walkingcarpet]

Why would it go to the left at first, then u-turn and go to the right?

"Dude, I missed you! Come back!"

[pghreaper]

why is it only 10 seconds long???
if this guy was filming it then why dont he release the whole tape of it???
unless it shows the guy getting out of the suit

[billgreen2005big...]

hi everyone this is a very interesting filmfootage of a sasquatch. the area looks great habitat for sasquatch. i think some researchers here should call or email the man who took the footage. it looks authentic to me but more research needs to be done to it. thanks bill please keep me posted ok. is this forests area in california forests known for sasquatch encounters etc.

[Ty]

What a bunch of horsecrap.... But sadder still....
It will probably end up on the BFRO's top ten best footage hit parade.

This post has been edited by Ty2: Nov 19 2005, 12:02 AM

[walkingcarpet]

Couldn't get the video to run.

You didn't miss anything Dave.

Upon further review, the ruling on the field stands--it's bullcrap.

The video does not fit the story at all. He says he pointed the camera at where the sounds were coming from. But, then he quickly pans to the left from the initial shot--and no short distance--and there's 'bigfoot'. I said in the other thread--please, mods, merge them :surrender: --that the...uh, subject goes first right to left then doubles back to go left to right. The better to get in camera range, no doubt. If you look carefully, you can even see the guy in the suit pop up out of his crouch when he realizes the camera is on him again.

In a way, this stuff is fun and even informative on some level, but damn it gets tiresome, too.

[Norcal]

I've been a lurker for a while, so this is my first post. I've got a lot of theories about bigfoot which I'll probably share at some point if anyone's interested.

As it relates to this topic, Sonoma County has been quiet for some time, as it has become more developed, and the most recent sighting I've come across was in '93. I know this because I live in Sonoma County. I may or may not have had an experience of my own however in Sonoma County this month.

That area (where I may have come across something) consists of a direct water source, a large deer and elk population, a substantial wild turkey population, and is in a semi-developed area of Santa Rosa, California. Though I suspect that any bigfoot in the area are following the water sources and passing through Sonoma County at this time of year up north to Mendocino County in advance of the winter. Just a thought.

Anyway, upon reviewing the video here, I am interested. My thoughts are that upon watching the video the first time, I saw what appeared to be the exaggerated arm swing mentioned earlier, but upon further review, I am not sure it is so exaggerated.
What makes you so sure that this bigfoot (if it is such) is not fleeing, thus the exaggerated body movements? Ultimately, I agree with walkingcarpet though.

What leads me to believe this is a hoax is this. The camera suddenly swings to the far left all of a sudden. Secondly, the bigfoot changes direction. I think if the bigfoot saw the guy shooting video of it, and was startled, it would simply continue in the same direction, but in a hurried pace.

[billgreen2005big...]

hi norcal welcome to the bigfoot forums you will like it here. wow your very welcome for the informative reply. maybe you can go to the area where this footage was taken and take some photos of the area. maybe you can try to contact the man who took the filmfootage of the sasquatch. thanks bill please keep us posted ok.

[walkingcarpet]

I've been a lurker for a while, so this is my first post. I've got a lot of theories about bigfoot which I'll probably share at some point if anyone's interested.

Welcome! Don't fret about sharing your theories--it can't get much worse. You'll live to tell the tale or not.

I may or may not have had an experience of my own however in Sonoma County this month.

Do tell.

Ultimately, I agree with walkingcarpet though.

Oh, feel free to do that anytime.

I think if the bigfoot saw the guy shooting video of it, and was startled, it would simply continue in the same direction, but in a hurried pace.

Yup.

[John1970]

The guy plays bass in a band called Total Nutcase. Coincidence? :rolleyes:

[JohnWS]

The guy plays bass in a band called Total Nutcase.  Coincidence? :rolleyes:

And states he an "amateur naturist"????

[John1970]

And states he an "amateur naturist"????

Well if he likes to run around the woods naked, maybe that's him in the video and it's just been awhile since he's had a good back-waxing.

[medicdon]

Just to play devils advocate lets look at this from a different point of view.When the camera pans left and zooms in on the subject it is moving from right to left.Then the cameraman advances from right to left in an intersecting movement.At which point the subject briefly goes to ground and then exits the area from left to right.That makes the movements in question seem a little more natural at least.
None of this adds or subtracts from the clip or its authenticity. It may very well be a hoax and it certainly is not the "proof" we are all looking for.Just some food for thought.FWIW those are some long arms, watch it again and again. I did and I am not quite ready to throw this one in the hoax file just yet.

[Bukwas]

When I play it the lighting is all wrong, it looks like I'm looking at negatives... :help:

[uffda320]

I've been a lurker for a while, so this is my first post. I've got a lot of theories about bigfoot which I'll probably share at some point if anyone's interested.

As it relates to this topic, Sonoma County has been quiet for some time, as it has become more developed, and the most recent sighting I've come across was in '93. I know this because I live in Sonoma County. I may or may not have had an experience of my own however in Sonoma County this month.

That area (where I may have come across something) consists of a direct water source, a large deer and elk population, a substantial wild turkey population, and is in a semi-developed area of Santa Rosa, California. Though I suspect that any bigfoot in the area are following the water sources and passing through Sonoma County at this time of year up north to Mendocino County in advance of the winter. Just a thought.

Anyway, upon reviewing the video here, I am interested. My thoughts are that upon watching the video the first time, I saw what appeared to be the exaggerated arm swing mentioned earlier, but upon further review, I am not sure it is so exaggerated.
What makes you so sure that this bigfoot (if it is such) is not fleeing, thus the exaggerated body movements? Ultimately, I agree with walkingcarpet though.

What leads me to believe this is a hoax is this. The camera suddenly swings to the far left all of a sudden. Secondly, the bigfoot changes direction. I think if the bigfoot saw the guy shooting video of it, and was startled, it would simply continue in the same direction, but in a hurried pace.

Hey Norcal. Welcome to the BFF!

[blair Tucker]

It looks like it she he was hunched over as if hiding then tries to slink off.
Hey,
at least it isn't another blob whether fake or not.
The image gets out of focus as the auto focus on the camera tries to focus on the weeds in front of the camera.
Wonder what the rest of the video looks like.
He did list a phone no. Anybody try to contact him?

This post has been edited by blair Tucker: Nov 19 2005, 09:37 AM

[Monkey's Uncle]

After viewing the video a few times I don't have an opinion either way (real vs hoax). I don't think you can dimiss the video as an outright hoax based upon the expected direction a bigfoot would travel if startled or the length of the video.

My question is how does the filmaker know the creature had "dark eyes" if he is viewing the subject the entire time thru the viewfinder (unless his girlfriend made the observation).

[scoobie doo]

If this was me I'd be excited as in "Hey Honey wholly crap" "Look at this thing". I'd be very excited. The guy says he's with his girlfriend yet when he see's this thing he doesn't call out to her an alert. Also listen to the guys breathing, or lack there of. This guy is calm, like he's videoing the weeds. Generally when your excited your heart rate increases and thus your breathing increases. Listen to the video this guys breathing sounds the same as if he were in front of the tube watching grass grow. The quality of the video or of the subject looks fake. When the animal changes direction and heads back to the right seems to be for the camera.

I call bullspit


Spank your hair muff.


Scoob

[Bigfoot Believer]

The more I watch it, the more this bigfoot (if it's legit) reminds me of the bigfoot from the Freeman video it that it appears wide in the mid-section (barrel chested, big gut and glutes).

I agree with Monkey's Uncle question on the the videographer's "dark eyes" observation.

This post has been edited by Bigfoot Believer: Nov 19 2005, 11:01 AM

[caledon35]

Why does the camera go into an extreme unfocused state at the critical moment? Seems very fake to me. Also the "Bigfoot"'s armswing seems exaggerated and an attempt to imitate Patty.

Why not show the rest of the footage after the blurry?

Fake as can be. Unless I see more. Ian

[monkeyboy]

I haven't viewed it yet. Like most of the posters here, I like to judge a book by it's cover; so I have to say it's a hoax.

-camera moves around too much
-subject changes direction (other BF sightings claim rapid exit or the BF "freezing" to not be noticed)
-age and hobby of filmer
-lack of other sightings/evidence in area
-MM may have been in CA at the time of the filming


I'll download and take a look, but it sounds like a waste of my dial-up time.

If anyome has any specifics as to location, etc. I can go do a field survey of the area and check for relevant height (if exact location is known), tracks, tree breaks, hair, mysterious poop, gorilla costumes, bfro business cards, unusual structures, "nests", probably habitat, etc. I'm only an hour away.

[hairlikebf]

There is practically no sound in that video. I would expect some whispering, like "What the Hell is that!", or "Oh my God!!", or "*Bigfoot call*". It must be a fake. The squatch didn't even look at the camera man, even though they was' so close! I would have been running for the hills while filming, not getting a better look while making no sounds.

[Volsquatch]

Good points, givemehead!

IMO, it's a hoax.

[mike2k1]

Good points about emotion. I was wondering that also....I always have problems with video clips that don't have anything before or after.

[cactusbutt]

Well out of pure curiosity I emailed him to see if he has more footage
I will let ya know what comes of it

[jimf]

Not all that large myself,but that bigfoot looks to have some skinny arms.

[billgreen2005big...]

hi everyone good afternoon did anyone here try to call or email the eyewittness who took this footage of a possible sasquatch. hey former bfro researchers you all should do the same thing to get to the bottom of this ok. thanks bill please keep me posted ok. i emailed the eyewittness last night i hope i get a reply back from him.

[Ty]

Volsquatch Posted on Nov 19 2005, 01:00 PM

Good points, givemehead!

LMAO Vol....your a character!

Hey Bill- I e-mailed him too... to ask him if he
bought the suit or made it himself.
I'm not really expecting a reply.

[Hairy Man]

Oh crimney...

Folks, I know the need to analyze this film is strong, but please keep some perspective. This gentleman has not been interviewed yet, investigators are in contact with him. We don't know if that is all the film, if there is sound on the original, or where exactly the film was taken. Let them do their work and get back with you (they post here) before you go on record stating one view point or another (I personally like to give birth, have the doctor tell me its a boy, before I yell boy...but that's just me). I know that Rick Noll is looking at the film as well, and his perspective will be very valuable.

[jimf]

It's called past experience, Kathy. If you need a reference point for predisposed bias regarding alleged sasquatch films, this forum is ull of them.
I don't think anyone in this thread said anything other than thier own opinion as to its authenticity based on what they've been able to see of it at this point.
There are also several points made that ned addressing as the further review happens and the video is futher analyzed as well.