Friday night speakers at Yakima... Options

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This will be split into two parts - Friday speakers and Saturday speakers. Please try and keep any posts on topic.

Friday's first speaker was the much-anticipated Bills Munns -

He started by noting he had made his report available at www.themunnsreport.com

“This is my first time attending a conference with Bigfoot in the title.”

I am going start with my conclusion and work my way back through the evidence to show how that conclusion was reached, as well as what the ramifications of my conclusion.

My CONCLUSION – What has been assumed to be the standard 25mm lens on the camera was not – it had to be a 15mm lens.

There is a simple formula – Height of subject (on film) divided by the focal length of the lens used equals the height of subject (actual size) divided by the distance between the camera lens and the subject. “If you have three of these measurements, it simple math to figure the missing number.

Munns tried to make the numbers work out using the “known” numbers – the height of the subject (on film), the focal length of the lens (which has been assumed to have been used) and the distance between the camera lens and the subject.

He calculated a height of the actual subject at 4½ feet when using a distance of 102 feet between the lens and the subject. This continued for several months until he came up with the idea that the lens may have been 15mm. “It didn’t work with 25mm lens, but it worked easily if a 15mm lens was used,” Munns said.
With his digital modeling, each object could be triangulated as to its position. And every additional object located makes the original camera position more obvious.

According to Munns, eight different camera positions could be found in the film where Roger Patterson filmed the subject.

The question of the distance from the camera lens to the subject troubled Munns. He expects most of the arguments against his findings will be that “the measurements are no good.” Even so, Munns feels there is “value in the numbers.” He found no significant in John Green’s or Rene Dahinden’s measurements of this distance saying he figured there to be a margin of “one percent.”

He further pointed out that while Green’s and Dahinden’s measurements were taken at different times they tend to support each other.

Munns said that from the measurements triangles can be created. So to with the digital model – and they appear to match the film. He showed some photos which did seem to match up quite well.

Munns said the critics would maintain we “can’t verify those original measurements, so they are meaningless. But it all adds up perfectly,” he said.
He still wants to film the “original film site” if it can be found.

In answering questions, Munns said: “The data is real and verifiable.”

When asked about John Chambers allegedly having something to do with making a suit, Munns said John Landis (who claimed that Chambers had done so) “doesn’t have an ounce of credibility.” He characterized the story as a “Hollywood Urban Legend.”

The camera shop receipt showed a 25mm lens on the camera checked out from the camera shop, but Munns noted it takes less than a minute to change lenses. He also said 25mm lenses are used for closeup filming, while a 15mm lens is better suited for panoramic shots.

Munns said he would take “math, science and optics over arguments” every time.

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The second speaker was R. Scott Nelson – Crypto-linguist-

Nelson discussed his military background in trying to de-cipher languages used by foreign governments in espionage efforts. He said the Crypto-linguists are required to learn and then are tested on a “nonsense language” to show that they can understand them.

His 12-year-old son was going to write a paper on Bigfoot and asked Nelson what sounds a BF might make. Remembering a howl he had heard back in some movie, Nelson let out his best imitation. His son was thoroughly unimpressed.

So Nelson searched the internet and came across something titled “Samurai Chatter” (NOTE: I did a Google Search and found this http://www.bfro.net/avevid/sierrasounds/sierra_samurai.mp3 on the BFRO website. I cannot say that this was what Nelson found.) When he and his son first listened to the recording Nelson thought, “That is language!”

He had to slow the recording down and came to the conclusions that the recording was not human in origin.

Doing further research, he found nothing about these sounds in any book.

Nelson noted the transcription program he was able to buy online, was classified back when he was in the Navy. He was able to contact Ron Moorhead (http://www.bigfootsounds.com/cdscriptpart1.asp) and convinced Moorhead to loan him the original tapes to allow Nelson to examine them from a crypto-linguistic point of view.

By slowing down the recordings to 50% of the recorded speed, Nelson determined –

The voices were not human. The recordings included “sounds that humans cannot make.” The vocal range is greater than the human range. The tempo and speed of the “discourse” are twice that of human speech.

This speech was formed by tongue, lips, and gum/teeth.

This speech was gibberish. In order to speak gibberish, it is necessary to understand the language. Neither was it mimicry.

The speech could not have been faked. “I was trained in the Navy in spotting fakes and heard nothing in these tapes that was faked,” Nelson said.

Nelson thought it more reasonable to believe an undocumented animal created these sounds then to think them to be the result of a conspiracy to hoax them.
The tapes contain valid observational data, but “without knowing the meaning of the speaker, it is impossible to know what was ‘said.’”

Nelson said “The creatures on these tapes have and use a language.”

Ron Moorhead came to the stage and explained how the recordings were recorded. He would not disclose the exact location

Concluding his talk, Nelson said he had his work reviewed by two of his colleagues and neither had an argument with Nelson’s conclusions. While they did disagree with some of the sounds that Nelson believes he could identify, they both agreed that sounds were “no-human in origin.”

R. Scott Nelson (left) and Ron Moorhead

He said that he, Al Berry, and Al Berry are collaborating on a book about the Sierra Sounds and Nelson’s study of them.

For a look at Nelson's report go to Cryptomundo.com.