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Posted by: Brent S Apr 21 2003, 05:59 AM

In this story off the bestest's web site I believe that he is claiming to be the Point pleasant Moth Man. Check it out

1/29/02 NEW THEORY THAT CAN WORK!
WHO AND WHAT WAS "MOTHMAN" ????
Despite the delusions of a Maine teen-suicide consultant, there is no proof that
Mothman (ref Mothman Phrophesies, the movie) was ever a real biological being at all. (Same goes for Big Bird, and mystery super-condors). No bones, no body, not even a videotape.
But witnesses were seeing something in the sky in the late 60's at Point Pleasant,WVA. Generally, a man in grey, with glowing red eyes....usually in the air ... wings not fluttering .... but harming no one.
But what?
The answer is to be found in the so-called OOBE -- "Out Of Body Experience" studied
by parapychologists for years.
It is felt by some, including test subjects, that they "go somewhere" during sleep.
That their mind, or part of it, leaves the body and travels... to the roof, to next door, to some other part of the country or even to outer space. And WHOOSH, returns
in an instant when the cat licks your face. This can explain the often vivid draeams one has where everything "seemed so real"...and also dreams of flying...
subjects report soaring and pushing off the tops of hills to get to the next hill,looking down and seeing people looking up.....
Hence -- Mothman. For if you do leave the body, what do you LOOK like? Maybe a man with wings... even an angel, or, if on land, maybe Bigfoot, or in water, a Nessie. It even explains who makes the English crop circles -- we do! Dreamers, using psycho-kinesis as they do an OOBE in the fields.
And when a witness slams a door, zoom! Back into the body. (This happens often to
Loch Ness Monster witnesses... slamming a car trunk...(boot)...zap - Nessie disappears.)
Some subjects report going to visit friends in need, ill friends, even to "attend"
funerals they cannot otherwise travel to.
Mothman appeared close to a time when the local bridge was soon to fail. This writer lived in Washington,DC, and had visited Point Pleasant and its bridge, thinking at the time that there was an abnormal shaking to it. A point of concern for those in danger.
This writer also dreamed he was flying on some occasions, in or near Point Pleasant. Other details are foggy as usually such are. But he remembers looking down at a road, and seeing people looking up.
As the writer on OOBEs (Robert Monroe -Journeys Out of the Body - 1973 - Anchor Books) once said --- "They were looking up at me, and I remember thinking that I wondered what I looked like to them..."
The answer is Mothman, Batsquatch of Oreon,or Owlman of Cornwall,UK, or the Kangamoto of Africa, or Big Bird (condor type) in Texas.
So -- I was Mothman. Sorry if I scared anyone... but that bridge...it was not safe....had to tell...
Jon-#####,MBA

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Posted by: bipto Apr 21 2003, 06:04 AM

WHOOSH! :rolleyes:

Posted by: jimf Apr 21 2003, 07:22 AM

Just like we thought ol' Cedrick was out of his mind.(and body apparently).

Posted by: RB Apr 21 2003, 09:52 AM

Holy Butterfly-net, Batman!

Posted by: Howlingmad Apr 22 2003, 01:50 AM

Rarely have I seen someone so in love with the sound
of his own voice (or is that the products of his fingertips )

What a loon...

I apologize in advance to the loons for the above comment.

Posted by: Ella Apr 22 2003, 08:03 AM

Whaaaaaaaaaaa.....aaaaattt? Whatever he's on, it must be pretty strong stuff. Maybe he's confusing an OOBE with an acid trip.

Posted by: ranshirl Apr 22 2003, 08:35 AM

Well....um......I believe this man has been gone for a long time......

Posted by: Paul1968UK Apr 22 2003, 11:40 AM

One of the interesting things that came out of the UnConconvention was that when coleman interviewed people in point pleasant, not one of them apparently mentioned that it looked like a man-bird of any kind - all the witnessed described it as a large bird, the size of a man.

I guess we (and the tabloids) are too quick to put our own spin on things.

Posted by: believe22 Apr 22 2003, 11:56 AM

Could someone please wake me up & tell me I didn't read what I read, while I was out of body

Posted by: believe22 Apr 22 2003, 12:09 PM

Good Afternoon Footers, I am awake now!

Here's the question I have, if lets say this guy is Mothman then what about the times this guy was not sleeping & these people saw Mothman. Does he have somekind of log to show that when they saw Mothman it was him because he was asleep in a trance etc. etc. Could someone find my bottle of no-dozzzzzz !!

Posted by: bipto Apr 22 2003, 02:29 PM

I'm sure if you asked for one he could produce it!

Posted by: Ella Apr 24 2003, 06:49 AM

Erik will say anything, any time, anywhere. He has histrionic personality disorder and must have center stage no matter what. If he says he's Mothman, fine with me, since I don't even believe in Mothman and think Mothman is a 24-carat HOAX. With describes EB to a T.

Posted by: Maggie Apr 24 2003, 07:03 AM

I havent been here too long, i think Bipto let Erik on one more time after i was here? (Should have paid more attention ) But the posts i did read....oookay. I am not trying to be harsh, but does he really believe what he says?

Posted by: bipto Apr 24 2003, 07:35 AM

Beckjord has graced us with his presence twice, which is two times too many. He will never return (and RobUstes can quote me on that!).

Posted by: Ella Apr 24 2003, 08:02 AM

Maggie, I'm afraid Erik does believe most of what he says. He also changes his mind like most people change their clothes--whatever is convenient for him at the moment and according to his mood at the time. He can't stand me and I never anything to him but call him on his s......(fill in the blank). He's a bit unstable if you ask me.

Posted by: Arkansan Apr 24 2003, 08:05 AM

Maggie said:

Who knows Maggie...he changes his mind so often, he either has multiple personalities that each believe something different or he just takes too many meds and can't remember what he believed last.

Posted by: Arkansan Apr 24 2003, 08:11 AM

Unstable? I've been called that.

I am a "head honcho" butt-kissing, unstable personality.

Or so it's been said. :rolleyes:

Hey, I'm in the same league as EB!

Posted by: shaman Apr 24 2003, 09:23 AM

hey? reckon EB is really th yellow eyed bass living in th creeks up to th old hometown? wonder does he dream of swimming?

worried now.

ill not even mention th humongous hawklike bird , white with black leading edges on wings and black on edges of tail, hawklike body rather than falconlike, that i saw fly over us up there two weeks ago.

omg omg!!!!! is EB stalkin me in paranormal form?


seriously i think it was just a very large osprey.

Posted by: jimf Apr 24 2003, 12:32 PM

Noooooo.....You have friends and people who respect your opinions and ideas.(I'm one of them)....God no what have you done,I'm turning into a crackpot too,run its contagious....

Posted by: Maggie Apr 24 2003, 12:44 PM

Thanks everybody for clearing that up! I hate to jump to conclusions but my first impression of him left me shaking my head.

Posted by: jimf Apr 24 2003, 12:49 PM

Don't worry Maggie, ALL of anyones impressions of him ,leave shaking heads (or hysterical laughter) in their wake.

Posted by: Arkansan Apr 24 2003, 01:08 PM

*walks around the forum in a circle mumbling......where are my maters and taters?*

Posted by: RB Apr 24 2003, 01:30 PM

Posted by: ranshirl Apr 24 2003, 01:32 PM

Arky.....leave the forum and go to the kitchen.....you will find them there....

Posted by: BenThere_2 Apr 24 2003, 02:21 PM

Me thinks Sir EB should retire.
In the late 60's thru the 70's attention was a major high for Cedric.
The indescribible dribble he has produced is long lived but still as outrageous as in the beginning.

Like I've said before
Education can be a dangerous thing.

Scotch, and other mind altering spirits have enhanced his dodo to multiple levels.

He thrives on attention.

I believe was fishbones

Ignore the Troll and he will subside.

Has anyone ever concidered the the "MOTHMAN" may have similarities to ANGEL appearances of some?
I'm not into that or paranormal but curious.

Lisa I love sliced maters and fried taters.
For breakfast...along with eggs and bacon LOL
biscuits and gravy.


Robert

Posted by: believe22 Apr 24 2003, 05:09 PM

Will the REAL Mothman please stand up, oops, I meant please flap your wings.................

Posted by: Ella Apr 24 2003, 08:26 PM

LISA, LISTEN UP! You're a fine, dedicated researcher with your own successful organization. You're been publicly recognized by Craig Woolheater and Chester Moore, Jr., who are two of the very tops in every respect in the Bigfoot field. The person you refer to, who is your good friend--well, he's a friend of mine too. He and I have our differences of opinion, but big fat hairy deal--he has the good sense not to let his feelings get in the way of his convenience, whether anyone agrees with him or not. And he doesn't allow his message board to become a war zone, so he has his share of wisdom, too. He won't stoop to the level of those who indulge in name-calling for lack of a sufficient vocabulary with which to express themselves.

Lisa, a lot of unenlightened people mistake kindness for weakness and polite, professional behavior as "heinie-kissing." I don't want anything to do with such people. Trying to discuss anything with them is a dysfunctional challenge. But I know I don't need to tell you this, as you been knowing that for a long time.

Like I told Chester before he became as famous as he is now, and growing more and more recognized and well-known as we speak: Any time you achieve success in this field, and with it the inevitable public exposure, you are gonna have detractors who, no matter what they say, are resentful of the recognition you get. There are those who are envious of Chester because he is such a spectacular public figure. What they don't acknowledge is that Chester works ceaselessly on the issue of environmental protection for wildlife, up to and including Bigfoot, he has a great and definite purpose in life, and anyone lucky enough to know him and benefit from his work should be grateful, not envious.

Unstable? If these name-calling, self-centered, self-absorbed folks are stable, then I don't want to be stable, I want to be unstable. Case closed.

Posted by: bipto Apr 24 2003, 09:28 PM

What's a 'mater'?

Posted by: jimf Apr 24 2003, 09:51 PM

I'm tired bipto.Why Whats a 'mater u ?

Posted by: tennessee hills Apr 24 2003, 09:54 PM

hey bipto,thats a tomato here in the south I think its kinda weird myself like a sack a poke,and briches. just more southern slang I think it first came to be from someone with a jaw full of tobaco.. tennessee hills

Posted by: RB Apr 25 2003, 12:41 AM

It's the "T" in "BLT" sammys.

Gee, how I love those things...

..oh boy, now I'm hungry again...

Posted by: bipto Apr 25 2003, 05:57 AM

Huh. You learn something new every day...

Posted by: Arkansan Apr 25 2003, 07:43 AM

Posted by: Arkansan Apr 25 2003, 07:45 AM

Jim, you cracked me up on that one.

Posted by: Arkansan Apr 25 2003, 07:47 AM

Well who the heck came up with term "turtle shell" or "turtle hull" to call the trunk of a car? That one always got me.



(yes, I know it is a triple post, I'm trying to catch Fishbone )

Posted by: ranshirl Apr 25 2003, 09:40 AM

Mater is a slang word for tomato!.... its a southern thing....

Posted by: jimf Apr 25 2003, 10:36 AM

Sorry all,but back on topic (sort of) http://www.ufowatchdog.com/beckjord.html :rolleyes:

Posted by: jimf Apr 25 2003, 10:41 AM

And just to add to your http://www.lougentile.com/oct01.html his interview is halfway down,and requires a realplayer.its long so if you can stomach it. you'll get quite a few laughs to balance that out.

Posted by: Maggie Apr 25 2003, 01:20 PM

Oh my god.....
I believe Ella was absolutely right about the personality disorder....

Posted by: jimf Apr 25 2003, 10:55 PM

Oh it gets worse Maggie,Ever hear his Titanium bigfoot theory ?

Posted by: Paul1968UK Apr 26 2003, 09:33 AM

Where did Ella get to anyway ? - did I miss something ?

Posted by: Ella Apr 30 2003, 01:47 PM

Hey Paul! I'm still here, I just don't do the message boards anywhere near like I used to. Especially since I've been working at night, starting at 11, and sleep all afternoon till about 9:30 or so. I do it because the difference is the day shift and night shift in pay is extreme. For day shift, I averaged about $16 per hour. On nights, it's about $25 per hour. I'm not greedy, just needy, and I usually only work about six hours per night. Now that I'm old, I have had to slow down for sure. Wish I could retire, but that's a nice fantasy. :rolleyes:

Anyway, what we're agreeing to is that Erik has a personality disorder. I'm not a doctor, of course, but I feel that he has a narcissistic/histrionic personality disorder. Unfortunately, the condition is not treatable. But a lot of drunkards show the exact same symptoms, and people say he has drinking problem. I hope he does and that drinking is the cause of his behavor. Otherwise, there is little hope for him to ever change. :rolleyes: A lot of people say he's a sociopath, too, but that's awful harsh. I think he just believes the whole world revolves around him, like a spoiled brat.

Posted by: ecwool Apr 30 2003, 01:56 PM

For a real treat, go to the Lou Gentile radio show archives and listen to him in all his glory. The show is from Tuesday, October 16, 2001.
http://www.lougentile.com/oct01.html

Posted by: jimf Apr 30 2003, 05:36 PM

I sat there listening to the whole thing Craig.after awile I thought/wondered if it would ever end.I don't know as I'd call it a treat so much as comic relief effort on Gentiles part.I just kept waiting for him to call EB on some of his "theories".Know if theres anywhere to find Lou's thoughts or writings about his guests after the interview ?There are some others in his archives that are interesting to listen to also.imo.

Posted by: RB Apr 30 2003, 05:38 PM

I have a friend that can make up silly words to any song as the music is being played.

Posted by: shaman Apr 30 2003, 06:38 PM

RB

dude!

Posted by: Leeloo Dallas Apr 30 2003, 07:28 PM

Can someone give a brief E.B history to those of us who are new. I have heard people mention him and often wondered what it was all about.

Posted by: Arkansan Apr 30 2003, 08:29 PM

Ummmm....LeeLoo, I looked for the thread here where we discussed his mental problems, but couldn't find it.

Here is his website...it is self explanatory anyway..

http://64.49.194.105/beckjord/bigfoot/

Don't say you weren't warned though!

Posted by: bipto Apr 30 2003, 08:37 PM

It all started with his mother taking lots of drugs when she was pregnant...

Posted by: Arkansan Apr 30 2003, 08:55 PM

I'm still accepting that I posted that link...

that's against my better judgement to send someone there...

Posted by: ranshirl Apr 30 2003, 08:58 PM

Why?....You can't help it if his Mother took so many drugs....

Posted by: Ella Apr 30 2003, 09:40 PM

:rolleyes: Well, EB blocked me from his board a long time ago when I posted at him to quit using my name on message boards and posting trash as "Ella". He has the mentality of an 8-year-old, and that's a generous estimate. For a self-proclaimed "educated" person, he has never learned a dad-gum thing. :rolleyes:

Posted by: Paul1968UK May 1 2003, 03:03 AM

But what if EB is right ?

Posted by: jimf May 1 2003, 07:37 AM

Y'know Paul,I've thought that in the past.I really do love "what if..?" scenarios.But with EB (and some others) The biggest problem is presentation.Or reasoning to back up their conclusions.There are a few among the "paranomalists" who do present themselves rather well.but they seem to be outweighed by the other 99 % who come across as crackpots.Occams razor in full effect.The simplest answer is usually the right one.When you start to spout off about the "fact" that BF's can only get to their weight.(by him estimated to be 4 to 5 K lbs.) by being made of titanum.To me that means your either so bad at research you gave up or have just gone off the deep end.Why would a higher evolved or trans-dimensional entity have a need for titanium? Or even have a metal of comparable density ?If "advancement" by these supposed entitys were true,wouldn/t their mettalurgical knowledge advance as well ? There by attaining a goal of a lighter and stronger metal.? just thought that made more sense.For that matter why would they ever be seen at all or leave any evidence of their passing ?Sorry rambling now.It also doesn't bode well for your ideas when all you can do is harp (don't get me started on H.A.R.P. )on your supposed education,and yet cannot seem to get your point across any better than that of a four year old in the throes of a temper tantrum.jmo for what its worth ,theres more but....its more of a study in psychology than it is anything to do with BFs.

Posted by: Paul1968UK May 1 2003, 08:11 AM

Yeah - OK, the Titanium was a little !


BUT !

What if he were right about BF not being a flesh & blood creature ?


I only say this because I happen to know someone of perfectly sound mind and nature, a genuine full time cryptozoologist, who saw a 7-8ft tall 'bigfoot' in a small country park in the north of England ! I have no reason to disbelieve him, and his past record for finding sensible solutions to bizzare encounters stands for itself.

I think we can all agree that there is no way a creature of this size could survive in such a habitat, let alone breed, so I have to ask the question 'what did he see ?'

If it wasn't a flesh and blood creature, then he is either halucinating, someone is playing a very elaborate trick on him at 3am, or there was some kind of manifestation.

answers on a postcard please....

Posted by: ecwool May 1 2003, 02:42 PM

                                 PRESS RELEASE    1/27/02
WHO AND WHAT WAS  "MOTHMAN" ????  (Point Pleasant,WVA - late 60's)
Despite the delusions of a Maine teen-suicide consultant, there is no proof that Mothman (ref Mothman Phrophesies, the movie) was ever a real biological being at all. (Same goes for Big Bird, and mystery super-condors). No bones, no body, not even  a videotape. But witnesses were seeing something in the sky in the late 60's at Point Pleasant,WVA.

But what?
The answer is to be found in the so-called OOBE  -- "Out Of Body Experience"  studied by parapychologists for years. It is felt by some,
including test subjects, that they  "go somewhere"  during sleep. That their mind, or part of it, leaves the body and travels... to the roof, to next door, to some other part of the country or even to outer space.  And WHOOSH, returns in an instant when the cat licks your face. This can explain the often vivid draeams one has where everything "seemed so real"...and also dreams of flying... subjects report soaring and pushing off the tops of hills to get to the next hill,looking down and seeing people looking up..... Hence -- Mothman.  For if you do leave the body, what do you LOOK like? Maybe a man with wings... even an angel, or, if on land, maybe Bigfoot, or in water, a Nessie. It even explains who makes the English crop circles -- we do! Dreamers, using psycho-kinesis as they do an OOBE in the fields. And when a witness slams a door, zoom! Back into the body. (This happens often to Loch Ness Monster witnesses... slamming a car trunk...(boot)...zap - Nessie disappears.) Some subjects report going to visit friends in need, ill friends, even to "attend" funerals they cannot otherwise travel to.
Mothman appeared close to a time when the local bridge was soon to fail. This writer lived in Washington,DC, and had visited Point
Pleasant and its bridge, thinking at the time that there was an abnormal shaking to it.  A point of concern for those in danger. This writer  also dreamed he was flying on some occasions, in or near Point Pleasant. Other details are foggy as usually such are. But he remembers looking down at a road,  and seeing people looking up. As the writer on OOBEs (Robert Monroe -Journeys Out of the Body - 1973
- Anchor Books) once said --- "They were looking up at me, and I remember thinking that I wondered what I looked like to them..."
The answer is "Mothman", or "Owlman" of Cornwall,UK, "Batsquatch" of Oregon, or the "Kangamoto" (huge bat) of Africa, or "Big Bird" (condor type) in Texas. So -- I was Mothman. Sorry if I scared anyone... but that bridge... More info --- My grandfather was the engineer who built the Duluth-Superior steel bridge in the  1920s. In Minnesota. It originally had a travelling  cab that took cars back and forth as a shuttle, but later the bridge was updated, and now has an up-and down span that goes up to let ships pass under. As a result, I have always had a strong sense of bridge structure and safety. The Silver Bridge at Point Pleasant has a similarity to the Duluth Bridge. I, maybe, and others in the area, maybe, manifested themselves on a subconscious basis or an OOBE basis, as ufos, IDRIN COLD, various
MIBs, and other phenomena --  to try to warn people about this dangerous bridge. The unconsious and the subconscious do not act on a rational, to-the-point manner... hence the weird effects.  Bleeding eyes or reddened eyes could well result from radiation from manifested beings as ufos.  (BTW, note to the film producers... batteries short out underwater, so car lights do not shine - for long, if at all....)
The THUNDERBIRD phenomenon maybe related to the Mothman (so called due to looking grey, not for looking like an actual moth...) -- because Indian peoples claim  the Thunderbird would appear just before some sort of disaster...probably in a bad attempt to give a warning. "Big Bird" is the same thing. (No -- not Sesame St. ! -- a  condor-like bird. ) (The odd-pterodactyl   that is seen may be a time-leak.... not an oobe... maybe...) In general, as is seen in the film, trying to make exact sense of  paranmormal events, or manifested OOBE events, is an impossible task.  There is a lack of dependability in the unconsious, the subconscious, or OOBE manifested beings. That is why many researchers are frustrated in this study, but frankly, "What did you  expect?"  These beings and/or effects are in essence  fuzzy, unreliable, unclear, and irrational, BECAUSE THEY COME FROM THE EMOTIONAL SIDE. Call it  uber-right-brain activity.
Now you know where werewolves, vampires, ghouls, Bigfoot, Nessies, Mokele Mbembe, Black mystery dogs, black mystery panthers, Kangamoto, yowie, bunyip, Yeti, Almasti, Big Bird, and many others come from... they come from you (or your neighbor).
                                  Jon-#####,MBA
                                    415-540-9022
seeker@sasquatch.cc

References:   Dr. Charles C. Tart  makes reference to an experiment that a femal subject was tsted for OOBE by having her enter a light
sleep. She was able to correctly read a five digit random number placed on a shelf well above her eyesight on one occasion. (By leaving
the body to do so) Details: "A pyschopysiological study of out-of-the-body experiences in a selected subject" Journal of the American  Society

Call me crazy but...

Of all the possible theories for Bigfoot (and Mothman), I personally, (IMHO) now place the Out-Of-Body-Experience-Manifested-As-Temporary-Physical (OOBEMATP) as the most likely of all the alternative theories. This is a personal opinion, based on an OOBE I believe I had in 1980 or so, where I found myself during a "dream", manifested as a hairy man whjo was very desperate to get into a house and make contact with other human beings...I tried to claw may way thru a screen on a window, and found my strength was very weak .. I could not get thru. Then I woke... this corresponds with a report by Lummi Indian police about seeing two sasquatches in their spot light, trying but failing to scratch their way thru plastic sheeting covering a back kitchen door at a house on the Res. It also matches an event where I was sleeping in the back yard of a psychic man where WA Highway Patrolman Mark Pittenger (Puyallup fame) and I had been investigating. I dreamed of growling noises,and woke to see the psychic man examining his own bedroom window outdoors, and he said a BF had thried to scratch its' way thru, but failed.

Often in dreams, I try to shoot someone, and the bullet fails, or I cannot pull the trigger, or cannot hit or cannot open or cannot move something. Weakness.

Upshot --- you are safe from bigfoot.... LOL!

I also see in BF frame 350 from the PGFilm, many "mental baggage" items... owls on the breasts, two coke bottles, one on each upper arm, ALBERT OSTMAN's HEAD on the upper thigh, a bigfoot track on the thigh of Bigfoot, the head of the devil by the buttock, various monkey heads all over, a glass or cylinder by the lower right arm, and a baboon head up next to the main head. Perhaps these were from
Patterson or Gimlin's minds.....

This idea may be too advanced for some, in fact, most, but psychic and open minded people may indeed pick up on it.

More details, see http://######/mothman

EB

Posted by: jimf May 4 2003, 10:56 PM

I like how OOBE developed into OOBEMATP.so much more scientific sounding. :rolleyes:

Posted by: RB May 5 2003, 11:42 PM

Personally...

I'd rather entertain the idea of their potential telepathic abilities...

Their brains are larger than ours (MUCH larger than some)...

This area has much more possibliy than the inter-dimensional aspect...

If they can shape-shift, transport inter-dimensionally, or just plain disappear... then why do they even bother to hide?

Answer? Because they bleed. Real blood. They are flesh and blood.

To say they are not flesh and blood, for some, may be the security blanket they need to venture into the scary woods.

The telepathy thing has been proven (depending on who you speak with, I suppose) in humans. So then, why is it such a stretch to imagine a few Sas might have that ability?

Could that not explain a few things?

Ohhh Christian....

Christen_SEO oooo.....

Come back and play, please....

I'll play nice... I promise.

Posted by: Paul1968UK May 6 2003, 03:09 AM

Neanderthal Man had a much larger brain than us - it doesn't mean that he was more intelligent !

If I recall correctly, pound for pound, the hummingbird has the largest brain of land animals - I think we have got this whole 'brain size' bit wrong.

If this size theory was right, then professional wrestlers should be the smartest people on the planet !



I still haven't made up my (considerably sized) mind about all this - I believe in telepathy - I'm about as telpathic as a house brick, but I constantly amaze my wife who just has to start asking for something, and I instantly know what she wants, wether it is a glass of milk or a cup of tea.

If my dog knows that I am coming home before I have even driven into our village, then there has to be something in this telepathy business.

Whether Sasquatch is telepathic or not is another matter, but it sure would explain a few things.

Posted by: nightwing May 6 2003, 08:33 AM

Telepathy, or something along those lines, is the one "supernatural" aspect of sasquatch I might be able to buy.
Wild animals have "something" going on beyond the normal senses...I have seen it in action too many times to not accept the fact. I have seen deer, a quarter mile away and up wind, suddenly look right in my direction when I was totaly hidden, and had been observing them for an hour or more. They looked at the exact moment I decided to shoot one if it came within range...as if the "predatory nature" of my thoughts somehow alerted them to my presence.. Just this morning I was out turkey hunting and watched an entire flock peg me from even further away, and there was no way they saw me. Again, I picked one out, and poof, they knew I was there just that quick...
I have no idea of an explanation, but any hunter will tell you that it does happen. Not all the time mind you, I have taken plenty of animals that never knew I was there, but on occasion, when our brain waves mesh or something...

Posted by: jimf May 6 2003, 10:32 PM

Maybe its us and not the animals.? Maybe there is just something about or physiology that if we're in deep concentration makes our sweat glands react differently,our breathing or the smell of it change ?Maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about ?

Posted by: RB May 7 2003, 12:41 AM

Paul, I believe what I said was...

"Their brains are larger than ours (MUCH larger than some)..."

Pardon me for being so blunt... but...

Exactly how did you equate that I said "more intelligent"... and then carry on so?

Do you believe I think either a whale or an elephant is more intelligent than a human?

Posted by: RB May 7 2003, 12:52 AM

And by that line of reasoning, Paul...

What you're saying is a person must be super intelligent to have any chance of being telepathic?

Or, am I reading that post completely wrong?

Posted by: bipto May 7 2003, 04:47 AM

Dr. Friedrich von Frankenstein: For the experiment to be a success, all of the body parts must be enlarged.
Inga: His veins, his feet, his hands, his organs vould all have to be increased in size.
Dr. Friedrich von Frankenstein: Exactly.
Inga: (Pauses) He vould have an enormous Shwanstooker!
Dr. Friedrich von Frankenstein: That...goes without saying.
Inga: Voof!
Igor: He's going to be very popular.


I thought this was oddly appropriate...

Posted by: Paul1968UK May 7 2003, 05:01 AM

Fair enough RB - I did think you ad said 'more intelligent', or at least meant something along those lines.

All I'm trying to say is that I don't personally belive there is any correlation between brain size and brain 'ability', whether concious or unconcious.

Posted by: jimf May 7 2003, 07:18 AM

"Utten o a riz!", Translation: "Puttin on the ritz!"

Posted by: RB May 7 2003, 09:10 AM

Fair enough Paul...

That is the question, isn't it?

Certainly would be nice to have a live speciman to test...

But I think it’s possible that Sas may have some degree of this psychic ability… who knows?

And, even if one of these creatures has that ability, it doesn’t necessarily mean they all do… or that they have the ability to utilize it if they do… much like it is speculated regarding humans.


…random lines of silliness…

** Ohhhh, I ain’t got no body…”

“Oh, I don’t know… his name was Abby something or other…”

“What hump?”

Posted by: Arkansan May 7 2003, 09:56 AM

I believe they likely do have some sort of extra sensory perception. Dogs and cats as well as other animals have this ability.

Most dogs know bad people immediately as such. Every dog or cat I have ever owned always avoided my Dad like the plague because they could immediately tell he was not an animal lover. They would not go near him.

(He isn't as bad about that now as he used to be as he actually has owned a few pets he became attached to and lightened up.)

The opposite has always been true of my husband who can pet even the most vicious of dogs the very first meeting. He has always stunned me by this ability. I would get bit for sure, but he never has. He loves dogs.

Anyway ... this still tells me that animals just "know" things about people by picking up on something we can't see, or rather, MOST of us can't see. There does seem to be something to it.

Posted by: Arkansan May 7 2003, 10:01 AM

Let me add something to my last post...

I don't believe this means they can "read" our thoughts and know everything we are thinking. They would need to understand English to do that, which they don't IMHO. This means I believe they can read our demeanor in the way we carry ourselves on the outside and what "vibes" we give off.

Posted by: Paul1968UK May 7 2003, 12:14 PM

I have a very small Jack Russell, who has a large chunk of her brain missing as a result of being born with water-on-the-brain.

In theory, with no frontal lobes, she shouldn't be capable of much, but functions every bit as well as any other job, with the exception that she suffers from very occasional epileptic fits.

Anyway, I used to have a work visitor to the house who I didn't like much, but had to tolorate as he was a customer.

My dog, the first time she met him went to the kitchen, picked up some dry 'meaty chunks' and brought them back to the living and dropped them at his feet as a 'peace offering' !

These animals know a damn sight more than we will ever figure out.


My posts earlier about brain size were the result of 6 years of living with this dog, who as I said has large chunks of her brain missing - according to 'science', she should at least be blind and deaf, but can see and hear perfectly well.

Go figure !

Posted by: RB May 7 2003, 01:51 PM

Ok...

I got what you're saying.

Yep. Very valid point.

I did love this discussion...

Too bad there's not more participation, though... I'm feeling kinda in the spotlight here... and don't much care for it... so maybe I'll take a break from it... the whole thing is completely hypothetical anyways...

Ok, now please don't someone go out and look up the definition for the word hypothetical and e-mail it to me... I really don't care at this point...

Posted by: RobUstes May 7 2003, 02:29 PM

I always know i can find RB, .. he's where the swarm of black helecoptors are shineing their floodlights

Yes, any or most animals have that strange ability to "know" good people ..... its like me and my parents, live 60 miles apart, yet, we get all the stray animals come up to the house to be adopted. They live in a totally suburban development, and i live in a small shack on the edge (back edge at that) of a small rural town. And yet, totally singled out by the strays ... go figure

[edit] totally forgot the obligatory Young Frankenstein input *slap forehead* i must be slipping

"Thats Fron-kon-stein"

"My grandfathers work was DOO DOO !! *stabs self in leg with scalpel* .. class .. is uhm .. dismissed" *applause*

Posted by: jimf May 7 2003, 11:13 PM

The man is brilliant !! Charles Fort that is. I went out looking for BF books a good portion of the morning.And came upon "the book of the damned" (1919) .and for only $2.95 !! How does it apply to this thread you ask ? (go ahead I do) Weeeellll we've covered so much odds and ends from mothman to telepathy in it I figured it would be a bood fit.Fort collected so many oddities that some of the speculations he made are hard to follow and don't seem to fit into a crypto category of their own.Falls of all sorts (black rain,fleah,sand ,seeds,Alligators among others).Odd archaelogical finds.,roman coins "discovered in Illinois and Kentucky.All kinds of other odd happenstance.As you can see I spent the better part of the day reading. .hmmm...Maybe we should use this thread for a catchall that doesn't seem to fit into a category of its own.I have a hard time believeing some of the concepts that fit more into the "paranormal" realm.But as always I'm fascinated by it and have read some and formed opinions on it.(yeah,yeah "oh no not again )Telepathy.OOBE,and the like seems to be promoted by those who run experiments with only themselves and the claiming party .i.e. no other witnesses to the event happening.Unless we are actually the dogs or other animals involved how could we know how their brain works (let alone our own) ?You can seperate the lobes,nerves,blood vessels etc.map it catalogue it,and give every part a name and still not understand it.If we understood how it really worked,no one would die from head injuries that weren't the result of massive trauma.For example my dog (black lab) is lovable and loyal as all get out,but seems to be dumber than a box of rocks. I think animals do sense our moods and respond to them,the same as a person with a healthy amount of common sense would.Nature has many signals that say "DO NOT TOUCH!!".The guy in the trenchcoat wearing the beanie and holding the bazooka in the middle of the park is a good example. Unless your a dog or other animal ,instinct seems to serve better as a reasoning for actions than telepathy.Or in my dogs case stomach overrides intinct.A gut feeling even among people sometimes goes along way.Body language, tone of voice,set of eyes, etc. .If we "senses impaired " humans can clue into there little nuances among others wouln't a dog or another animal with better developed senses catch on all the much faster ?

Posted by: jimf May 7 2003, 11:42 PM

What the heck did i just say????

Posted by: RB May 8 2003, 01:03 AM

I'm not sure...

I think maybe that Fort book fell on you...

The one I've got is about 3 inches thick!

As Rob would say... heavy man...

Posted by: RB May 8 2003, 01:04 AM

Oh man....

I was gonna stay away from this thread...

crud.

I need help...

Posted by: Arkansan May 8 2003, 08:06 AM

That's what I am trying to figure out...LOL

I'm going back and read it again, maybe separate syllables slowly and try to figure it out.

Posted by: ranshirl May 8 2003, 09:07 AM

yep....me to....

Posted by: jimf May 8 2003, 11:06 AM

'Kay.I'm a little more coherent than I was last night.(I said "a little") I guess my point last night was that in most instances of telepathy or in any dealings with the paranormal.Even the 'scientific' studies of such are conducted by only one or two people or dealt with in ways that make it no better than hearsay.As for such among animals,dogs in particular,they can seem to be telepathic almost.but I'm pretty sure that they can pick up on our gestures and general demeanor,to form an "educated" doggie opinion as to our likes,dislikes,and such which given their heightened (compared to ours ) senses would make it seem klike they can read our minds .when it may be something so simple as for them to detect the slightest increase in anxiety,respirations,or perspiration level,that account for it. Better ?Atleast i understood myself this time.

Posted by: ranshirl May 8 2003, 11:25 AM

gotcha Jim..... finally understand what you are saying. I agree that a dog can feel more than we can whether it is a sixth sense or what ever it is they have, there has been some dogs that actually can tell you before you have an attack of some sort like eppilepsy.

Posted by: Arkansan May 8 2003, 04:44 PM

Thanks Jim, gotcha figured out now...

Posted by: bipto May 8 2003, 05:50 PM

Hey jim...GOTCHA!

Just wanted to be the third person in a row to use the word 'gotcha'.

Posted by: Arkansan May 8 2003, 06:08 PM

:rolleyes:

Northerners!

Posted by: ranshirl May 8 2003, 06:48 PM

Posted by: jimf May 8 2003, 08:50 PM

Thats strange. I suddenly feel the urge to rent an Anthony Edwards movie from the '80s.

Posted by: Streamrunner May 26 2003, 07:45 PM

This weekend I went to Erik's board.

anal probe anal probe anal probe anal probe anal probe
yah know, if people see that, no wonder they think everybody lost their edit.
uh, or are nuts.. Lost their minds.
Sgdewf gyuit freyop poyerf tiuyg fwedg.

Posted by: jimf May 26 2003, 10:34 PM

What ?? He changed the picture again ??

Posted by: Ella May 27 2003, 05:24 AM

EB blocks me from viewing his board periodically for his own obscure reasons. The last time was when I submitted a post to his board asking him to please kindly quit posting as me, Ella, on message boards. So I missed the part about the probe.

Posted by: Paul1968UK May 27 2003, 05:55 AM

I only visit Erik's board every once in a while - usually out of curiosity - haven't seen the anal probe yet

Posted by: StacyInMI May 27 2003, 06:37 AM

My question is Ella, why would you want to go there in the first place??

Posted by: Arkansan May 27 2003, 07:48 AM

I view it every now and then just to see who he's harassing this week.

Posted by: bipto May 27 2003, 09:53 AM

And it hasn't been me in so long. I'm feeling neglected. What could I have done to make him treat me so?

Posted by: Streamrunner May 27 2003, 11:34 AM

Hey I am sorry you guys and gals. I didnt mean to project that Erik had anything going on his board with an anal probe. It was a lot of alien crap and some image in a cloud. They loved and were amazed at the cloud imagery. There was alien talk there and I left before I got to see anyone drop their pants and get probed.
But aliens just remind me of anal probes and Jim Breur aka goat boy.
Long story but my, this subject sure has a lot of interest

Posted by: Ella Jun 2 2003, 03:56 AM

I'm like Arky. I go there once in a while just to see what foolishness he's up to. Today I could view it, tomorrow probably not. He seems to block and unblock me. But trust me, my world would not be adversely affected if I'm blocked tomorrow, next day or any day. Small stuff, especially on the internet, is not the stuff over which to sweat.

P. S. Erik said a long time ago that he was abducted by aliens in his younger days. Maybe they messed with his mind and that's why he acts like he does. :rolleyes:

Posted by: Paul1968UK Jun 2 2003, 04:22 AM

Either that or they realised he wasn't worth keeping and sent him back to earth !

Posted by: JayleeD Jun 2 2003, 11:52 AM

Well, I heard that someone saw EB standing on a hill looking up at an alien ship screaming, "take me, take me", and a voice was shouting back from the ship, "NO, you're too ugly and you scare us too!".

Posted by: Streamrunner Jun 2 2003, 02:51 PM

If he WAS abducted I wonder if he got to keep the probe as a souvenir ?
Wait. NO I DON'T

Posted by: RobUstes Jun 2 2003, 05:44 PM

WHy go to EBs website ?
Because its there, an no one knows why

Hire the handicapped, they're fun to watch (fits eb anyway, sorry to offend our handicapped, er, challenged friends)

Posted by: Sean V Jun 2 2003, 06:22 PM

I'm that way with cats. They must KNOW that I have allergies.

Posted by: jimf Jun 2 2003, 09:25 PM

Posted by: Arkansan Jun 3 2003, 03:01 PM

Tempted....tempted....tempted...gotta resist...gotta resist...will not respond to that comment.

No, not that comment, the OTHER one. I bet Robert and Fishbone know what I mean.

Posted by: Fishbone35 Jun 3 2003, 03:16 PM

Yep, yep. Sure as hell do, sis.

Posted by: bipto Jun 3 2003, 07:26 PM

OK, someone PM or sumthin' 'cause I'm out in the tall grass again...

Posted by: ecwool Jun 10 2003, 05:44 AM

Researcher contends Sasquatch is an alien

http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=sasq23&date=20000723&query=bigfoot

by The Associated Press
Sunday, July 23, 2000

YAKIMA - Sasquatch might be from outer space.

At least that's the theory being put forth by Erik Beckjord of the San Francisco-based Sasquatch Research Project.

He contends the proof can be found in a metal cylinder, roughly the same size and shape as a 16-ounce can of beer, on Bigfoot's right arm in the famous Patterson film.

"An ape doesn't have a cylinder on its arm, unless it's an experimental creature," Beckjord told the Yakima Herald-Republic.

But that's hardly enough evidence for people who believe Bigfoot is the Yakima Valley's biggest homegrown hoax.

"That's a new one to me," said Zillah lawyer Barry Woodard, representing a man who last year claimed to have worn a monkey suit in the 1967 Patterson-Gimlin film.

The grainy 16mm footage of what some believe is a female Sasquatch running out of a stream bed in the Six Rivers National Forest in northern California was taken by Roger Patterson and Bob Gimlin during a horseback search for Bigfoot.

Patterson died in 1972. Gimlin refuses to be interviewed.

Last year, longtime Bigfoot tracker Cliff Crook of Bothell dismissed the film as a hoax, saying four computer-enhanced frames showed what appeared to be a bell-shaped fastener at the creature's waist.

Several months later, a 58-year-old Yakima man, who has not been publicly identified, came forward through Woodard claiming to have been the hoaxer who wore the fur. The man still wants to sell his story, Woodard said.

It's been a Sasquatch summer in the Northwest this year.

Two researchers are looking into reports of the possible presence of Bigfoot on the Hoh Indian Reservation on the Olympic Peninsula along the Pacific Coast.

A psychologist recently claimed to have seen and smelled Sasquatch while hiking at the Oregon Caves National Monument.

Beckjord, who has a master's degree in business administration from the University of California at Berkeley, contends the recent Bigfoot reports only back up his contention that the creature is living among us and could be from outer space - possibly an experimental android.

"It would be the perfect spy for wilderness warfare," Beckjord said. Or, "he could be cruising out there on behalf of the U.S. government."

The cylinder can be seen in the 350th frame of the Patterson film, he said. He speculates it could be anything from radio equipment to medical gear. Bulges at either end of the cylinder likely serve as mounting hardware, he said.

For Beckjord, the most persuasive indication that Bigfoot is from another world is the lack of an archaeological record.

"There's no roadkill ever at any time," he said. "All of the existing animals you can find dead sometime."

Posted by: bipto Jun 10 2003, 05:58 AM

*SIGH*

Posted by: RobUstes Jun 10 2003, 06:14 AM

I couldn't have said it any better Bipto

Posted by: Paul1968UK Jun 10 2003, 06:39 AM

I thought this was intriguing

If this guy is still trying to sell his story, then who did Greg Long & Kal Korff interview for their book ?

Posted by: JayleeD Jun 10 2003, 09:31 AM

Exactly Paul. And if this guy is 58 now that would have made him 22 in 1967, if my calculator is right. I've never known a 22 year old that would keep something like that to himself for very long.

Me thinks that EB has once again proved what a warped soul he really is.

Posted by: ranshirl Jun 10 2003, 11:16 AM

well, its like we said once before this EB is a nutt!

Posted by: Ella Jun 10 2003, 01:58 PM

EB is 63, not 58.

Posted by: ecwool Jun 10 2003, 02:01 PM

The article mentions that the guy claiming to have been in the suit was 58, not EB. Also the article was written 3 years ago in 2000, so you can tack 3 years onto that.

Posted by: Streamrunner Jun 10 2003, 03:16 PM

Beckjord, who has a master's degree in business administration from the University of California at Berkeley, contends the recent Bigfoot reports only back up his contention that the creature is living among us and could be from outer space - possibly an experimental android.
"It would be the perfect spy for wilderness warfare," Beckjord said. Or, "he could be cruising out there on behalf of the U.S. government."


* Actually our government has made them, after the originals that flew to earth in spaceships. The bell shaped deal, of course as Rob would attest to, is simply part of that blue sash outfit they wear which, when in the air in the ship, gives a noble pleasured feeling that makes them smile all the time. Just remember that the next time one smiles at you. I think we should thank Eric for his incredible help regarding this mystery. What's the next one again ???
The one mystery I want to be a part of is whether that sash is made in Korea or Japan.

Posted by: RobUstes Jun 10 2003, 03:42 PM

Blue Sash, made in Korea with Japanese parts

but dont forget the german beer can implant in the forearm, thru which they amplify thier mind control techniques at you "you dont see me, i'm a tree, i'm a tree"



*without EB, there would BE no "bottom end" of the nutbag scale*

Posted by: nightwing Jun 10 2003, 04:23 PM

Yep.
I often wonder how much the lumber and mining companies are paying EB to help keep bigfoot firmly entrenched as tabloid fodder in the American mindset?

Posted by: jimf Jun 12 2003, 11:09 PM

" Prepare ship for Ludicrous speed "

Posted by: Streamrunner Jun 13 2003, 07:59 PM

Its that blue sash

Posted by: Paul1968UK Jun 14 2003, 07:35 AM

Wouldn't suprise me in the slightest.

Posted by: jimf Aug 2 2003, 12:13 PM

Yknow what I find refreshing...since the cancellation of their mesage boards and more moderation on other sights EB and his high desert buddy have all but dissapeared....

Posted by: Ella Aug 2 2003, 04:06 PM

Jim, I believe High Desert has become a private message board. As for EB, he has me blocked about 98 per cent of the time, but the other day I was able to look and it and he's the only one posting, ranting and raving at everybody else. I'm concerned about him. He's 64 years old and all mental illnesses (not to mention alcohol abuse) is progressive if untreated. I feel pity for him, but not sympathy. It's never to late to turn the corner, if you have the willingness to become teachable. But he seems to be happier where he is.